IS-supporters massacre staff of French satirical magazine

At least 12 killed and 10 injured, 4 in critical condition. Publisher and editor among those killed. Wounded policeman brutally executed. Two masked assailants armed with Kalashnikov assault rifles and, according to people on the scene, a rocket launcher. They are still at large. 3000 policemen have been mobilized in Paris to assist with the manhunt and protect all cultural and journalistic sites in the city. [url=http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30710883]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30710883[/url] Charlie Hebdo is a left-wing satirical magazine that has traditionally been hated by the (far) right and all kinds of religious groups. Ironically, the far right is losing no time (and is barely able to supress the smiles on their ugly faces) trying to exploit this to their own political ends. It might serve people well to consider that IS is itself an ultra-conservative far-right organization. #JeSuisCharlie ("I am Charlie") Enfin Libre (Free at last) Il faut voiler "Charlie Hebdo"  ("Charlie Hebdo" must be censored) 100 coups de fouet si voes n'êtes pas morts de rire (100 lashes with the whip if you haven't died laughing)

It's devastating.

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[b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote: [/b]

Ironically, TQ is losing no time (and is barely able to supress the smile on this ugly face) trying to exploit this to his own political ends. [/QUOTE]

I see that you're bothered more by criticism of the far-right trying to hijack this for their own ends than by this terrible attack on freedom. It says a lot about you that you try to bait me, but don't bother to simply say that this attack was a terrible attack on freedom. Think about that for a moment. You only come crawling out from under your rock when there's an opportunity to 'defend' the (far-)right. Pathetic.

Casper you are so fond of calling anyone in disagreement with you as "Rock dwellers".
perhaps it's time YOU saw the bigger picture.
1] In almost every single dispute on this planet you can find religion lurking in the smelly recesses. Islam today is where Christianity was when it was 1,000 yrs new.
2] In comparative terms a 1400 year old religion is the cultural equivalent of a moody teenager - knowing everything about everything, while the "grown-ups" know f-all. Just like Christianity before it, once Islam reaches the 2,000 year age point it'll be more chilled and relaxed in its view of other religions.
3] Far right politics is nOT the problem - no matter what YOU would have people think. When we elect a far-govt Govt - it's our fault - we voted for them, - no-one votes for IS/ISIS/ISL.
4] Your left-wing rhetoric is futile - finding a far-right link to everything bad is not the way to go - it'll not achieve a thing - other than alienate those you want to convince.
5] you'd have a much better chance of convincing the "fence-sitters" if your missives didn't come across so "know it all" and "preachy" - and before you jump down my throat - that's not meant to insult. I'm just saying try and gear what you're saying to the reader, and not a university "Political Studies" Lecture Hall

but i will leave you with one thought - isn't it strange how the "left wing" are equally guilty of trying to indoctrinate others to their "correct" views? how about these people chill and let us make our own minds up - people are more likely to come to a sound decision that they are happy with if they're not being coerced into sharing someone else's "louder" opinion.

stands back...expecting the usual "bigot" "rock dweller" insults.

As usual, Caspar is so utterly impressed by his own "knowledge" of politics and history, that he cannot see past the blind spot of his own confirmation bias.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=why+smart+people+are+stupid

LOL

They were members of Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), not IS supporters.

The attack is utterly despicable, deplorable and shameful. It is good to see people unite in the face of this terror, and stand up to those who perpetuate it. Terrorism is a cancer which has to be addressed, as it is being. This said, it is the liberal, capitalist policies of Western governments which have contributed to the evolution of Muslin extremism. Of course it's not simply a case of the West being the sole cause of the problem, but they are contributors to its roots.

The power-hungry people behind the curtain - those who have existed for centuries - are the ones who gave birth to the hatred radicalised Muslims have for us, and as a consequence, to the reciprocal actions which the West has had to take.

"The power-hungry people behind the curtain - those who have existed for centuries - are the ones who gave birth to the hatred radicalised Muslims have for us, and as a consequence, to the reciprocal actions which the West has had to take."

Hatred and evil acts of violence by radical Muslims are supposedly someone else's fault? If this were true (your logic that the hatred is caused by the West), then why are radical Muslims killing their own people? No, I think it is probably something else (which normal peace loving people cannot fathom), that is causing the violence. But let's blame the people who are to blame: the radical Muslims. They are supposedly human and have control over their decisions. If they choose to kill innocent people, then they are to blame and nobody else is to blame.

Before 9/11, Al Qaeda was the enemy - a fringe movement of about 100 men.

Now that we've been meddling in middle east affairs full tilt, we now have an entire ISIS state. All to appease the lobbyists in Washington who profit the most from war.

The cartoons don't help. But to call this an attack on freedom of speech is to completely, completely miss the point.

Want it to stop? Stop electing politicians who put lobbyists before everything else.

If you think that sounds unrealistic - asking Islamic fundamentalist militants to introduce logic to their vernacular is even more unlikely.

They've been in the dark ages since the 12th century and haven't been bothering the west until recently. We created them, and they're here to stay.

Why does the blame always have to be shifted? It is not the fault of anyone but those who are commiting the acts of violence. Sick religious ideas such as killing non-believers - that's what Islamic extremism is about. It doesn't have anything to do with democratic elections. They don't want individuals thinking for themselves!

Besides pure evil, I cannot know how else to label Islamic extremist violence.

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Before 9/11, Al Qaeda was the enemy - a fringe movement of about 100 men.

Now that we've been meddling in middle east affairs full tilt, we now have an entire ISIS state. All to appease the lobbyists in Washington who profit the most from war.

The cartoons don't help. But to call this an attack on freedom of speech is to completely, completely miss the point.

Want it to stop? Stop electing politicians who put lobbyists before everything else.

If you think that sounds unrealistic - asking Islamic fundamentalist militants to introduce logic to their vernacular is even more unlikely.

They've been in the dark ages since the 12th century and haven't been bothering the west until recently. We created them, and they're here to stay.[/QUOTE]

Well said.

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Why does the blame always have to be shifted? It is not the fault of anyone but those who are commiting the acts of violence. Sick religious ideas such as killing non-believers - that's what Islamic extremism is about. It doesn't have anything to do with democratic elections. They don't want individuals thinking for themselves!

Besides pure evil, I cannot know how else to label Islamic extremist violence.[/QUOTE]

The work of individual terrorists may be down to pure "evil" and psychopathy. But the spur of the ideology of modern Muslim fundamentalism does have a reason behind it, which is both historical and current. Those who don't know their history are bound to repeat it.

The powers that be in the West have committed atrocities against these people - and this is one way in which they know how to react. This does not dimish the seriousness of their terrorist actions, but it gives insight into the greater problem, where nothing is black and white.

it's far to easy to "blame someone else".
we are ALL accountable for our own deeds. no debate and no apologist rhetoric can every excuse or sidestep the fact:

anyone who kills innocent people in the name of their "God" is pure evil.

Out of the world's 7 billion people, about 6 billion are members of religious communities. 2,3 billion are Christians. 1,5 billion are Muslims. How many of these people are prone to violence? Criminal? How many of them just want to live their lives in peace and freedom? How many help people in need, accommodate refugees? Man schools and hospitals? I assume you know that many of the worst crimes against humanity were conducted in the name of atheistic ideologies - communism, nazism and fascism. Religions are like hammers - they are useful tools, but can be used for evil purposes. As can most other things.

[QUOTE] [b]Oscar J wrote:[/b]

Out of the world's 7 billion people, about 6 billion are members of religious communities. 2,3 billion are Christians. 1,5 billion are Muslims. How many of these people are prone to violence? Criminal? How many of them just want to live their lives in peace and freedom? How many help people in need, accommodate refugees? Man schools and hospitals? I assume you know that many of the worst crimes against humanity were conducted in the name of atheistic ideologies - communism, nazism and fascism. Religions are like hammers - they are useful tools, but can be used for evil purposes. As can most other things.[/QUOTE]

Religion is the main vehicle which they are using to drive their hate, but it did not cause the hate. Islam doesn't tell you to blow yourself up or kill people. The hate they have was caused by other things. That they vent it this way is obviously wrong, and they should certainly either be executed or imprisoned for life.

Most of these terrorists came to be radicalised in their search for some meaning. The two terrorists who attacked the Charlie Hebdo offices were orphans born in France, and weren't even raised on a heavy diet of Islam. They found themselves in a situation which made them socially alientated, and perhaps they wanted to find something to believe in - consequently they got attracted to the ideologies of Muslim terrorists, were radicalised, trained, and then committed this atrocity.

The impetus behind the rise in modern Muslim extremism is hatred of the West caused by actions of political elites who do everything for power, with no regard for anything else. The ideology of hate thus emerged, got intrinsically linked to the religion of Islam, and attracts to it hundreds of lost, angry souls looking for purpose and something to believe in.