Oscar J
^ Exactly, that was my point.
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Donna13
"The impetus behind the rise in modern Muslim extremism is hatred of the West caused by actions of political elites who do everything for power, with no regard for anything else. The ideology of hate thus emerged, got intrinsically linked to the religion of Islam, and attracts to it hundreds of lost, angry souls looking for purpose and something to believe in."
This is still shifting the blame. What do terrorists want? Power. If they were against power as a concept, then they would not be committing acts of violence in a desperate attempt to feel powerful. Also, anger at the West does not explain radical Muslims killing other Muslims.
This is still shifting the blame. What do terrorists want? Power. If they were against power as a concept, then they would not be committing acts of violence in a desperate attempt to feel powerful. Also, anger at the West does not explain radical Muslims killing other Muslims.
brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]Costa86 wrote:[/b]
The impetus behind the rise in modern Muslim extremism is hatred of the West caused by actions of political elites who do everything for power, with no regard for anything else. The ideology of hate thus emerged, got intrinsically linked to the religion of Islam, and attracts to it hundreds of lost, angry souls looking for purpose and something to believe in.[/QUOTE]
or, alternatively - these people who perform acts of terror in the name of God are subhuman cretins with no intelligent thoughts to call their own, and even less thought for the life and wellbeing of the rest of humankind?
in short - they're c*nts.
The impetus behind the rise in modern Muslim extremism is hatred of the West caused by actions of political elites who do everything for power, with no regard for anything else. The ideology of hate thus emerged, got intrinsically linked to the religion of Islam, and attracts to it hundreds of lost, angry souls looking for purpose and something to believe in.[/QUOTE]
or, alternatively - these people who perform acts of terror in the name of God are subhuman cretins with no intelligent thoughts to call their own, and even less thought for the life and wellbeing of the rest of humankind?
in short - they're c*nts.
Doga
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Costa86 wrote:[/b]
The impetus behind the rise in modern Muslim extremism is hatred of the West caused by actions of political elites who do everything for power, with no regard for anything else. The ideology of hate thus emerged, got intrinsically linked to the religion of Islam, and attracts to it hundreds of lost, angry souls looking for purpose and something to believe in.[/QUOTE]
or, alternatively - these people who perform acts of terror in the name of God are subhuman cretins with no intelligent thoughts to call their own, and even less thought for the life and wellbeing of the rest of humankind?
in short - they're c*nts.
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Yes Brenski, they are cunts, at many levels, first and more important, for kill other humans beigns.
And second, because they are given weapons to the western cunts, how many people are saying right now things like '' the muslims are the worst'' or ''we should expulse the muslims''.
Don't forget that there are evil people and good people in Occident and in the Muslim comunity. And evil people from both sides want to make the good people believe that in the other comunity EVERYBODY is evil, or at least, not as good as them.
[QUOTE] [b]Costa86 wrote:[/b]
The impetus behind the rise in modern Muslim extremism is hatred of the West caused by actions of political elites who do everything for power, with no regard for anything else. The ideology of hate thus emerged, got intrinsically linked to the religion of Islam, and attracts to it hundreds of lost, angry souls looking for purpose and something to believe in.[/QUOTE]
or, alternatively - these people who perform acts of terror in the name of God are subhuman cretins with no intelligent thoughts to call their own, and even less thought for the life and wellbeing of the rest of humankind?
in short - they're c*nts.
[/QUOTE]
Yes Brenski, they are cunts, at many levels, first and more important, for kill other humans beigns.
And second, because they are given weapons to the western cunts, how many people are saying right now things like '' the muslims are the worst'' or ''we should expulse the muslims''.
Don't forget that there are evil people and good people in Occident and in the Muslim comunity. And evil people from both sides want to make the good people believe that in the other comunity EVERYBODY is evil, or at least, not as good as them.
Saint Jiub
[QUOTE] [b]Donna13 wrote:[/b]
This is still shifting the blame. Also, anger at the West does not explain radical Muslims killing other Muslims.[/QUOTE]
It also does not explain attacks on girls in Nigeria, Afghanistan and Pakistan by radical Muslims intent on preventing the education of these girls.
This is still shifting the blame. Also, anger at the West does not explain radical Muslims killing other Muslims.[/QUOTE]
It also does not explain attacks on girls in Nigeria, Afghanistan and Pakistan by radical Muslims intent on preventing the education of these girls.
brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]Doga wrote:[/b]
Yes Brenski, they are cunts, at many levels, first and more important, for kill other humans beigns.
And second, because they are given weapons to the western cunts, how many people are saying right now things like '' the muslims are the worst'' or ''we should expulse the muslims''.
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yes, but you have to try to understand that this ^^^ reaction is the normal reaction of decent people who are now scared.
my own personal view? i wouldn't want to expel anyone on grounds of religion. but i would EXTINGUISH these nasty c*nts who kill for god.
and regardless of whatever the "west" did to provoke these c*nts - the barbarism of stoning women, and depriving females equal rights in every aspect of life - is NOT caused by the West. They do this because they are bigoted backward thick and above all scared that someone - probably a highly-superior (in intellect) free-thinking woman - will expose their ideology for the lying fucking myth that it is.
Yes Brenski, they are cunts, at many levels, first and more important, for kill other humans beigns.
And second, because they are given weapons to the western cunts, how many people are saying right now things like '' the muslims are the worst'' or ''we should expulse the muslims''.
[/QUOTE]
yes, but you have to try to understand that this ^^^ reaction is the normal reaction of decent people who are now scared.
my own personal view? i wouldn't want to expel anyone on grounds of religion. but i would EXTINGUISH these nasty c*nts who kill for god.
and regardless of whatever the "west" did to provoke these c*nts - the barbarism of stoning women, and depriving females equal rights in every aspect of life - is NOT caused by the West. They do this because they are bigoted backward thick and above all scared that someone - probably a highly-superior (in intellect) free-thinking woman - will expose their ideology for the lying fucking myth that it is.
Doga
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
and regardless of whatever the "west" did to provoke these c*nts - the barbarism of stoning women, and depriving females equal rights in every aspect of life - is NOT caused by the West.
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No, that is provoked by the lack of education, a christian with the same level of education and the same quality of life of the african countries will probably do the same, or burn some witches.
And these countries are poor and suffer war because a few people in the goverment and the heads of a few big companies want that. ISIS, Al-.Qaeda and terrorism were created by the west. Dig a little.
and regardless of whatever the "west" did to provoke these c*nts - the barbarism of stoning women, and depriving females equal rights in every aspect of life - is NOT caused by the West.
[/QUOTE]
No, that is provoked by the lack of education, a christian with the same level of education and the same quality of life of the african countries will probably do the same, or burn some witches.
And these countries are poor and suffer war because a few people in the goverment and the heads of a few big companies want that. ISIS, Al-.Qaeda and terrorism were created by the west. Dig a little.
Saint Jiub
1979: The then Soviet Union invades Afghanistan.
1980: Soviet troops set up a puppet regime in Kabul, the Afghan capital. The US, Pakistan, China, Iran and Saudi Arabia offer support to anti-communist Muslim Afghan fighters (mujahideen) who opposed the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.
Moral of the story? Weakly accept when Russia invades a European or Asian country?
1980: Soviet troops set up a puppet regime in Kabul, the Afghan capital. The US, Pakistan, China, Iran and Saudi Arabia offer support to anti-communist Muslim Afghan fighters (mujahideen) who opposed the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.
Moral of the story? Weakly accept when Russia invades a European or Asian country?
Saint Jiub
The origins of ISIS, Al-.Qaeda and terrorism were created by Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab in the 1800's with the establishment of Wahhabi Islam.
[url=http://atheism.about.com/od/islamicsects/a/wahhabi.htm]http://atheism.about.com/od/islamicsects/a/wahhabi.htm[/url]
[url=http://atheism.about.com/od/islamicsects/a/wahhabi.htm]http://atheism.about.com/od/islamicsects/a/wahhabi.htm[/url]
brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]Panchgani wrote:[/b]
The origins of ISIS, Al-.Qaeda and terrorism were created by Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab in the 1800's with the establishment of Wahhabi Islam.
[url=http://atheism.about.com/od/islamicsects/a/wahhabi.htm]http://atheism.about.com/od/islamicsects/a/wahhabi.htm[/url][/QUOTE]
that's as maybe. but then you could also argue that the origins of killing non-believers pre-dates Saladin. How far in the past do we go back to when apportioning some level of responsibility? - otherwise it's also a little like blaming the Greeks and Indians (who built the first true roads) for ALL car accidents.
In all truth it's easy to blame the past - but the only people you can wholly attribute these atrocities to are those carrying them out now.
The origins of ISIS, Al-.Qaeda and terrorism were created by Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab in the 1800's with the establishment of Wahhabi Islam.
[url=http://atheism.about.com/od/islamicsects/a/wahhabi.htm]http://atheism.about.com/od/islamicsects/a/wahhabi.htm[/url][/QUOTE]
that's as maybe. but then you could also argue that the origins of killing non-believers pre-dates Saladin. How far in the past do we go back to when apportioning some level of responsibility? - otherwise it's also a little like blaming the Greeks and Indians (who built the first true roads) for ALL car accidents.
In all truth it's easy to blame the past - but the only people you can wholly attribute these atrocities to are those carrying them out now.
magicalfreddiemercury
Bottom line is it's all of the above. The obsession of some (whether from outside or in) for absolute power and control limits the ability of others for the same. Oppression and lack of education limit opportunity and create despair. Desperate people hold tighter to faith until that's all there is for them - an obsession - and, in the process, they lose their grip on reality. Doga mentioned the burning of witches. I think that's a perfect example of the cause and effect of all these issues.
Despite all that, when it comes to the acts themselves, it's the pricks with the guns, RPGs, machetes, hand grenades, nooses and the like, who bear the ultimate responsibility.
What the rest of the world needs to do is figure out how to squash oppressors and educate the masses, so opportunities open to them, and the idea of going off to kill and die in the name of their god becomes as repulsive to them as it is to us.
Despite all that, when it comes to the acts themselves, it's the pricks with the guns, RPGs, machetes, hand grenades, nooses and the like, who bear the ultimate responsibility.
What the rest of the world needs to do is figure out how to squash oppressors and educate the masses, so opportunities open to them, and the idea of going off to kill and die in the name of their god becomes as repulsive to them as it is to us.
Costa86
[QUOTE] [b]magicalfreddiemercury wrote:[/b]
What the rest of the world needs to do is figure out how to squash oppressors and educate the masses, so opportunities open to them, and the idea of going off to kill and die in the name of their god becomes as repulsive to them as it is to us.
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In theory, yes. I don't know how anyone's going to manage that, but yes.
What the rest of the world needs to do is figure out how to squash oppressors and educate the masses, so opportunities open to them, and the idea of going off to kill and die in the name of their god becomes as repulsive to them as it is to us.
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In theory, yes. I don't know how anyone's going to manage that, but yes.
Costa86
The terrorist (Coulibaly) who took hostages in a Kosher supermarket is quoted as having said, to the group of hostages:
"If people manage to unite as they did for Charlie Hebdo ... do the same by uniting and saying: 'Leave the Muslims in peace'. Why do you not do that?"
He also said: "We are not killers, we are the defenders of the Prophet, and we kill those who insult him."
It is obvious that, while these are evil people with probably a few screws loose, what is at the heart at the problem isn't some sort of war between the bad Muslims and the good West (aka The War on Terrorism). The Muslims are reacting to decades of problems caused by the West. When you irritate a lion, all it can do is try to maul you. When you irritate a certain type of Muslim, one who is socially alienated and looking for meaning (e.g. the ones involved in the Paris incident), or one who was brought up to be an very staunch Muslim, then the only way they know how to react is like a lion - they lash out and try to hurt/kill that thing which is causing grief and suffering.
Someone here mentioned female genital mutilation (FGM), etc. - I don't know how this can be linked to Muslim terrorism. Yes FGM is quite obviously unbelievably barbaric and horrific - but it's what these people do. We can try and stop them and educate them. But it doesn't meant that because FGM is a tradition, then terrorism is also their tradition. Terrorism is their reaction not their tradition.
All the terrorists have been killed, except for the woman who is on the run.
"If people manage to unite as they did for Charlie Hebdo ... do the same by uniting and saying: 'Leave the Muslims in peace'. Why do you not do that?"
He also said: "We are not killers, we are the defenders of the Prophet, and we kill those who insult him."
It is obvious that, while these are evil people with probably a few screws loose, what is at the heart at the problem isn't some sort of war between the bad Muslims and the good West (aka The War on Terrorism). The Muslims are reacting to decades of problems caused by the West. When you irritate a lion, all it can do is try to maul you. When you irritate a certain type of Muslim, one who is socially alienated and looking for meaning (e.g. the ones involved in the Paris incident), or one who was brought up to be an very staunch Muslim, then the only way they know how to react is like a lion - they lash out and try to hurt/kill that thing which is causing grief and suffering.
Someone here mentioned female genital mutilation (FGM), etc. - I don't know how this can be linked to Muslim terrorism. Yes FGM is quite obviously unbelievably barbaric and horrific - but it's what these people do. We can try and stop them and educate them. But it doesn't meant that because FGM is a tradition, then terrorism is also their tradition. Terrorism is their reaction not their tradition.
All the terrorists have been killed, except for the woman who is on the run.
thomasquinn 32989
Do you people know that, in the North Western part of India, the exact same kind of terrorism is acted out by CHRISTIAN terror groups? Did you know that in the CAR, CHRISTIAN militias do the same things as Al Qaeda? Did you know that the Lord's Resistance Army from Uganda does the same kinds of things as Islamic State?
The enemy is not ISLAMIC extremism, it's EXTREMISM. And the fact that there have been half a dozen attacks on Mosques in France in the past 72 hours is a sign that extremism is quite definitely not something limited to Muslims.
The enemy is not ISLAMIC extremism, it's EXTREMISM. And the fact that there have been half a dozen attacks on Mosques in France in the past 72 hours is a sign that extremism is quite definitely not something limited to Muslims.
brENsKi
Casper you "globalise" far too often. YOU do not know the reasons for the attacks on the Paris Mosques - you can only offer possible reasons. Therefore, it's important to accept that that the attacks may not be down to Extremism, they may be down to knee-jerk reaction or even by individuals who are ignorant but scared.
Why divert a thread away from the actual discussion when you know that "us people" have made some very accurate observations? or are YOU above actually saying "yes you people have made some very good points" ?
One simple fact in all of this:
New York, London, Madrid, Paris...and numerous beheadings in the middle east - are ALL solely attributable to Islamic Terrorist Lunatics.
If there was a God - then the acts of these idiots were NOT on his behalf - Hell will welcome them all.
Why divert a thread away from the actual discussion when you know that "us people" have made some very accurate observations? or are YOU above actually saying "yes you people have made some very good points" ?
One simple fact in all of this:
New York, London, Madrid, Paris...and numerous beheadings in the middle east - are ALL solely attributable to Islamic Terrorist Lunatics.
If there was a God - then the acts of these idiots were NOT on his behalf - Hell will welcome them all.