Karfan
John played in More of That Jazz,and there is definitely bass in Mother Love,and it's Also John.Beautiful bass line by the way...
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Sebastian
[QUOTE] [b]stevelondon20 wrote:[/b]
I'm pretty sure that Freddie does sing harmonies on Leaving Home Ain't Easy. unless I'm hearing things!!![/QUOTE]
There's no way to know for sure, but I'd say it's just Brian plus Brian plus Brian. Compare it with his multi-tracked harmonies on his solo work. Still, as for the 'Who Wants to Live Forever' bass, I'm more then happy to stand corrected if that's the case.
I'm sure Freddie sings backing vocals on some of the songs Brian sings lead on, such as 'Some Day One Day,' ''39' and 'All Dead, All Dead,' but as for 'Long Away' and 'Leaving Home Ain't Easy' I don't think he's there. He could be though... in which case, again, I'll stand corrected.
[QUOTE] [b]hobbit-in-Rhye wrote:[/b]
I love the fact that "(statistically) Freddie was the least 'necessary' band member when it came to recording", when at the surface common audience would assume that Freddie is the most important one.[/QUOTE]
Of course there are many ways to interpret that, and those who want to put one member's contributions or importance against the others can easily use any kind of stats to back up their point, whichever it might be.
It could be argued, for instance, that 'Dancer' suffered more (or less, depending on your stance) from being John-free than 'Sleeping on the Sidewalk' did from being Fred-free. It still wouldn't 'prove' that John is 'more' important than Freddie or viceversa, and it's only taking into account the performing factor.
''39' without Freddie would've still existed and would've still been a magnificent song, but probably not as magnificent as it is thanks to his backing vocals. ''39' without Brian ... there would be no song to begin with. So it depends on each individual case.
[QUOTE] [b]hobbit-in-Rhye wrote:[/b]
It also shows that statistics could be shit sometimes :D[/QUOTE]
Stats themselves are not shit, but the way people choose to interpret them can be misleading or have unfortunate implications.
[QUOTE] [b]The King Of Rhye wrote:[/b]
I forgot about Action This Day having no Brian.......(would have been soooooo much better if it did, IMO!)[/QUOTE]
Live versions prove how much that simple rhythm guitar part gains from being played by Brian rather than Roger. No need for a killer solo or some shredding ... just playing that easy rhythm bit, the Doctor still sounds a hell of a lot better.
[QUOTE] [b]Karfan wrote:[/b]
John played in More of That Jazz[/QUOTE]
That's another one where many theories can be thrown. Roger played bass on both of his 1977 tracks, but on both of his 'Game' compositions it sounds far more Deacon-esque. As for the 1978 ones, I'd say they both play on 'Fun It' (there are two basses on that song) and only Roger did on 'More of That Jazz.' No way to prove it, so it's just my hunch, which can be right and can be wrong. I've been both right and wrong many times.
My (obviously subjective) take when it comes to bass on Roger's songs is that John played it for those which had a live backing track (i.e. everything up to 'Drowse') plus everything from 'Radio Ga Ga' onwards. As for 1977 - 1982:
* Fun It: Roger did the looped slide and John played the one that goes throughout.
* More of That Jazz: Roger.
* Coming Soon: John.
* Rock It: John.
* Calling All Girls: John (probably live backing track).
* Action This Day: Roger.
Again, all of that is IMO.
I'm pretty sure that Freddie does sing harmonies on Leaving Home Ain't Easy. unless I'm hearing things!!![/QUOTE]
There's no way to know for sure, but I'd say it's just Brian plus Brian plus Brian. Compare it with his multi-tracked harmonies on his solo work. Still, as for the 'Who Wants to Live Forever' bass, I'm more then happy to stand corrected if that's the case.
I'm sure Freddie sings backing vocals on some of the songs Brian sings lead on, such as 'Some Day One Day,' ''39' and 'All Dead, All Dead,' but as for 'Long Away' and 'Leaving Home Ain't Easy' I don't think he's there. He could be though... in which case, again, I'll stand corrected.
[QUOTE] [b]hobbit-in-Rhye wrote:[/b]
I love the fact that "(statistically) Freddie was the least 'necessary' band member when it came to recording", when at the surface common audience would assume that Freddie is the most important one.[/QUOTE]
Of course there are many ways to interpret that, and those who want to put one member's contributions or importance against the others can easily use any kind of stats to back up their point, whichever it might be.
It could be argued, for instance, that 'Dancer' suffered more (or less, depending on your stance) from being John-free than 'Sleeping on the Sidewalk' did from being Fred-free. It still wouldn't 'prove' that John is 'more' important than Freddie or viceversa, and it's only taking into account the performing factor.
''39' without Freddie would've still existed and would've still been a magnificent song, but probably not as magnificent as it is thanks to his backing vocals. ''39' without Brian ... there would be no song to begin with. So it depends on each individual case.
[QUOTE] [b]hobbit-in-Rhye wrote:[/b]
It also shows that statistics could be shit sometimes :D[/QUOTE]
Stats themselves are not shit, but the way people choose to interpret them can be misleading or have unfortunate implications.
[QUOTE] [b]The King Of Rhye wrote:[/b]
I forgot about Action This Day having no Brian.......(would have been soooooo much better if it did, IMO!)[/QUOTE]
Live versions prove how much that simple rhythm guitar part gains from being played by Brian rather than Roger. No need for a killer solo or some shredding ... just playing that easy rhythm bit, the Doctor still sounds a hell of a lot better.
[QUOTE] [b]Karfan wrote:[/b]
John played in More of That Jazz[/QUOTE]
That's another one where many theories can be thrown. Roger played bass on both of his 1977 tracks, but on both of his 'Game' compositions it sounds far more Deacon-esque. As for the 1978 ones, I'd say they both play on 'Fun It' (there are two basses on that song) and only Roger did on 'More of That Jazz.' No way to prove it, so it's just my hunch, which can be right and can be wrong. I've been both right and wrong many times.
My (obviously subjective) take when it comes to bass on Roger's songs is that John played it for those which had a live backing track (i.e. everything up to 'Drowse') plus everything from 'Radio Ga Ga' onwards. As for 1977 - 1982:
* Fun It: Roger did the looped slide and John played the one that goes throughout.
* More of That Jazz: Roger.
* Coming Soon: John.
* Rock It: John.
* Calling All Girls: John (probably live backing track).
* Action This Day: Roger.
Again, all of that is IMO.
BETA215
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[b]cmsdrums wrote: [/b] Although yes, bass and some percussive work, on Mother Love, I was just wondering if it was actually performed by John and Roger (apologies if it's obvious from the stems, which I've not heard)[/QUOTE]
Search that Queen exhibition in Montreux in YouTube. There you can play along with the stems of Made In Heaven and Mother Love.
[b]cmsdrums wrote: [/b] Although yes, bass and some percussive work, on Mother Love, I was just wondering if it was actually performed by John and Roger (apologies if it's obvious from the stems, which I've not heard)[/QUOTE]
Search that Queen exhibition in Montreux in YouTube. There you can play along with the stems of Made In Heaven and Mother Love.
Oscar J
I think the quick licks throughout the verses of Sheer Heart Attack are unmistakably Brian. At 1:38 it becomes really obvious, because nothing Roger did on the guitar around that time was even remotely that technical, from what we've heard. The vibrato at the end just screams Brian.
brENsKi
anyone notice that the non-Freddie tracks are (in the main) written by Brian>?
- there are a couple by Roger
- there are a couple by Roger
Sebastian
[QUOTE] [b]Oscar J wrote:[/b]
I think the quick licks throughout the verses of Sheer Heart Attack are unmistakably Brian. At 1:38 it becomes really obvious, because nothing Roger did on the guitar around that time was even remotely that technical, from what we've heard. The vibrato at the end just screams Brian.
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I'm happy to stand corrected if that's the case. As for now, I'm still not convinced, but I'm aware liner notes often omit details.
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
anyone notice that the non-Freddie tracks are (in the main) written by Brian>?
- there are a couple by Roger[/QUOTE]
Out of the 17 Fred-less songs:
* Seven (41.18%) were Roger's.
* Six (35.29%) were Brian's.
* Two (11.76%) were John's (instrumental things for the OST).
* Two (11.76%) were not written by anyone in the band, but they were both arranged by Brian for a guitar section, accompanied by Roger on percussion. They both lack John as well.
Also, out of the 17 Fred-less tracks, nine (52.94%) were instrumental ones.
Considering Brian wrote many more songs than Roger, the ratio of Fred-less recordings which Roger wrote is far higher, especially considering they were all before 'Hot Space.'
In other words:
* Between 'Queen' and 'Flash Gordon,' Brian wrote or co-wrote 39 tracks (that's right!), six of which (15.38%) were Fred-less.
* In the same period, Roger wrote or co-wrote 16 tracks, seven of which (43.75%) were Fred-less.
* As for John, he wrote or co-wrote 11 tracks (I'm not counting 'Stone Cold Crazy' as they already performed it long before he joined the band), two of which (18.18%) were Fred-less.
So, if anything, Freddie was, proportionally, more active on Brian's compositions than on John's or Roger's.
I think the quick licks throughout the verses of Sheer Heart Attack are unmistakably Brian. At 1:38 it becomes really obvious, because nothing Roger did on the guitar around that time was even remotely that technical, from what we've heard. The vibrato at the end just screams Brian.
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I'm happy to stand corrected if that's the case. As for now, I'm still not convinced, but I'm aware liner notes often omit details.
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
anyone notice that the non-Freddie tracks are (in the main) written by Brian>?
- there are a couple by Roger[/QUOTE]
Out of the 17 Fred-less songs:
* Seven (41.18%) were Roger's.
* Six (35.29%) were Brian's.
* Two (11.76%) were John's (instrumental things for the OST).
* Two (11.76%) were not written by anyone in the band, but they were both arranged by Brian for a guitar section, accompanied by Roger on percussion. They both lack John as well.
Also, out of the 17 Fred-less tracks, nine (52.94%) were instrumental ones.
Considering Brian wrote many more songs than Roger, the ratio of Fred-less recordings which Roger wrote is far higher, especially considering they were all before 'Hot Space.'
In other words:
* Between 'Queen' and 'Flash Gordon,' Brian wrote or co-wrote 39 tracks (that's right!), six of which (15.38%) were Fred-less.
* In the same period, Roger wrote or co-wrote 16 tracks, seven of which (43.75%) were Fred-less.
* As for John, he wrote or co-wrote 11 tracks (I'm not counting 'Stone Cold Crazy' as they already performed it long before he joined the band), two of which (18.18%) were Fred-less.
So, if anything, Freddie was, proportionally, more active on Brian's compositions than on John's or Roger's.
The Ghost of Lester Burnham
Can't forget that Lost Opportunity likely didn't have Freddie, unless he played the keyboards.
And in the liners for the 2011 release of The Miracle, the notes say that Roger played most of the instruments on Hijack My Heart. Obviously Brian plays the lead guitar, but Roger probably played bass, guitar, and keyboards.
And in the liners for the 2011 release of The Miracle, the notes say that Roger played most of the instruments on Hijack My Heart. Obviously Brian plays the lead guitar, but Roger probably played bass, guitar, and keyboards.
Sebastian
Yeah, but my initial list didn't include non-album tracks, that's why I didn't mention any of those.
As for 'Long Away', I think I was wrong: listening to the vocal stem it seems quite obvious that Fred's there as well. So there you have it ... I'll correct the stats accordingly.
As for 'Long Away', I think I was wrong: listening to the vocal stem it seems quite obvious that Fred's there as well. So there you have it ... I'll correct the stats accordingly.
The Ghost of Lester Burnham
Ah, I just thought you left that out because other non-album tracks featured all four members. (Except Forever, but that only just occurred to me now.)
Sebastian
I've been convinced about 'Sheer Heart Attack' so the list has been corrected to reflect that.
stevelondon20
[QUOTE]
Leaving home ain't easy from about 2:35 sounds like Freddie. As I say though, it might just be my ears playing up!! ;)
[b]Sebastian wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]stevelondon20 wrote:[/b]
I'm pretty sure that Freddie does sing harmonies on Leaving Home Ain't Easy. unless I'm hearing things!!![/QUOTE]
There's no way to know for sure, but I'd say it's just Brian plus Brian plus Brian. Compare it with his multi-tracked harmonies on his solo work. Still, as for the 'Who Wants to Live Forever' bass, I'm more then happy to stand corrected if that's the case.
I'm sure Freddie sings backing vocals on some of the songs Brian sings lead on, such as 'Some Day One Day,' ''39' and 'All Dead, All Dead,' but as for 'Long Away' and 'Leaving Home Ain't Easy' I don't think he's there. He could be though... in which case, again, I'll stand corrected.
[QUOTE] [b]hobbit-in-Rhye wrote:[/b]
I love the fact that "(statistically) Freddie was the least 'necessary' band member when it came to recording", when at the surface common audience would assume that Freddie is the most important one.[/QUOTE]
Of course there are many ways to interpret that, and those who want to put one member's contributions or importance against the others can easily use any kind of stats to back up their point, whichever it might be.
It could be argued, for instance, that 'Dancer' suffered more (or less, depending on your stance) from being John-free than 'Sleeping on the Sidewalk' did from being Fred-free. It still wouldn't 'prove' that John is 'more' important than Freddie or viceversa, and it's only taking into account the performing factor.
''39' without Freddie would've still existed and would've still been a magnificent song, but probably not as magnificent as it is thanks to his backing vocals. ''39' without Brian ... there would be no song to begin with. So it depends on each individual case.
[QUOTE] [b]hobbit-in-Rhye wrote:[/b]
It also shows that statistics could be shit sometimes :D[/QUOTE]
Stats themselves are not shit, but the way people choose to interpret them can be misleading or have unfortunate implications.
[QUOTE] [b]The King Of Rhye wrote:[/b]
I forgot about Action This Day having no Brian.......(would have been soooooo much better if it did, IMO!)[/QUOTE]
Live versions prove how much that simple rhythm guitar part gains from being played by Brian rather than Roger. No need for a killer solo or some shredding ... just playing that easy rhythm bit, the Doctor still sounds a hell of a lot better.
[QUOTE] [b]Karfan wrote:[/b]
John played in More of That Jazz[/QUOTE]
That's another one where many theories can be thrown. Roger played bass on both of his 1977 tracks, but on both of his 'Game' compositions it sounds far more Deacon-esque. As for the 1978 ones, I'd say they both play on 'Fun It' (there are two basses on that song) and only Roger did on 'More of That Jazz.' No way to prove it, so it's just my hunch, which can be right and can be wrong. I've been both right and wrong many times.
My (obviously subjective) take when it comes to bass on Roger's songs is that John played it for those which had a live backing track (i.e. everything up to 'Drowse') plus everything from 'Radio Ga Ga' onwards. As for 1977 - 1982:
* Fun It: Roger did the looped slide and John played the one that goes throughout.
* More of That Jazz: Roger.
* Coming Soon: John.
* Rock It: John.
* Calling All Girls: John (probably live backing track).
* Action This Day: Roger.
Again, all of that is IMO.[/QUOTE]
Leaving home ain't easy from about 2:35 sounds like Freddie. As I say though, it might just be my ears playing up!! ;)
[b]Sebastian wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]stevelondon20 wrote:[/b]
I'm pretty sure that Freddie does sing harmonies on Leaving Home Ain't Easy. unless I'm hearing things!!![/QUOTE]
There's no way to know for sure, but I'd say it's just Brian plus Brian plus Brian. Compare it with his multi-tracked harmonies on his solo work. Still, as for the 'Who Wants to Live Forever' bass, I'm more then happy to stand corrected if that's the case.
I'm sure Freddie sings backing vocals on some of the songs Brian sings lead on, such as 'Some Day One Day,' ''39' and 'All Dead, All Dead,' but as for 'Long Away' and 'Leaving Home Ain't Easy' I don't think he's there. He could be though... in which case, again, I'll stand corrected.
[QUOTE] [b]hobbit-in-Rhye wrote:[/b]
I love the fact that "(statistically) Freddie was the least 'necessary' band member when it came to recording", when at the surface common audience would assume that Freddie is the most important one.[/QUOTE]
Of course there are many ways to interpret that, and those who want to put one member's contributions or importance against the others can easily use any kind of stats to back up their point, whichever it might be.
It could be argued, for instance, that 'Dancer' suffered more (or less, depending on your stance) from being John-free than 'Sleeping on the Sidewalk' did from being Fred-free. It still wouldn't 'prove' that John is 'more' important than Freddie or viceversa, and it's only taking into account the performing factor.
''39' without Freddie would've still existed and would've still been a magnificent song, but probably not as magnificent as it is thanks to his backing vocals. ''39' without Brian ... there would be no song to begin with. So it depends on each individual case.
[QUOTE] [b]hobbit-in-Rhye wrote:[/b]
It also shows that statistics could be shit sometimes :D[/QUOTE]
Stats themselves are not shit, but the way people choose to interpret them can be misleading or have unfortunate implications.
[QUOTE] [b]The King Of Rhye wrote:[/b]
I forgot about Action This Day having no Brian.......(would have been soooooo much better if it did, IMO!)[/QUOTE]
Live versions prove how much that simple rhythm guitar part gains from being played by Brian rather than Roger. No need for a killer solo or some shredding ... just playing that easy rhythm bit, the Doctor still sounds a hell of a lot better.
[QUOTE] [b]Karfan wrote:[/b]
John played in More of That Jazz[/QUOTE]
That's another one where many theories can be thrown. Roger played bass on both of his 1977 tracks, but on both of his 'Game' compositions it sounds far more Deacon-esque. As for the 1978 ones, I'd say they both play on 'Fun It' (there are two basses on that song) and only Roger did on 'More of That Jazz.' No way to prove it, so it's just my hunch, which can be right and can be wrong. I've been both right and wrong many times.
My (obviously subjective) take when it comes to bass on Roger's songs is that John played it for those which had a live backing track (i.e. everything up to 'Drowse') plus everything from 'Radio Ga Ga' onwards. As for 1977 - 1982:
* Fun It: Roger did the looped slide and John played the one that goes throughout.
* More of That Jazz: Roger.
* Coming Soon: John.
* Rock It: John.
* Calling All Girls: John (probably live backing track).
* Action This Day: Roger.
Again, all of that is IMO.[/QUOTE]
The King Of Rhye
[QUOTE] [b]Sebastian wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]The King Of Rhye wrote:[/b]
I forgot about Action This Day having no Brian.......(would have been soooooo much better if it did, IMO!)[/QUOTE]
Live versions prove how much that simple rhythm guitar part gains from being played by Brian rather than Roger. No need for a killer solo or some shredding ... just playing that easy rhythm bit, the Doctor still sounds a hell of a lot better.
[/QUOTE]
And how about a 'killer solo' from Brian in place of that synth/horn/whatever solo, though? Really, I always thought Action was a great song, but let down somewhat by the instrumentation.....put some Red Special all over it, and you'd have an undisputed highlight of Hot Space!
On a somewhat related note..........I was listening to The Beatles last night......I bet especially in their later years, they had a greater percentage of songs without all 4........or did they? (was listening to Yesterday, which is just Paul w strings...)
[QUOTE] [b]The King Of Rhye wrote:[/b]
I forgot about Action This Day having no Brian.......(would have been soooooo much better if it did, IMO!)[/QUOTE]
Live versions prove how much that simple rhythm guitar part gains from being played by Brian rather than Roger. No need for a killer solo or some shredding ... just playing that easy rhythm bit, the Doctor still sounds a hell of a lot better.
[/QUOTE]
And how about a 'killer solo' from Brian in place of that synth/horn/whatever solo, though? Really, I always thought Action was a great song, but let down somewhat by the instrumentation.....put some Red Special all over it, and you'd have an undisputed highlight of Hot Space!
On a somewhat related note..........I was listening to The Beatles last night......I bet especially in their later years, they had a greater percentage of songs without all 4........or did they? (was listening to Yesterday, which is just Paul w strings...)
cmsdrums
[QUOTE] [b]The King Of Rhye wrote:[/b]
On a somewhat related note..........I was listening to The Beatles last night......I bet especially in their later years, they had a greater percentage of songs without all 4........or did they? (was listening to Yesterday, which is just Paul w strings...)
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True.
Then again, Bon Jovi will soon be releasing an WHOLE ALBUM that doesn't feature Richie Sambora at all!!! :-)
On a somewhat related note..........I was listening to The Beatles last night......I bet especially in their later years, they had a greater percentage of songs without all 4........or did they? (was listening to Yesterday, which is just Paul w strings...)
[/QUOTE]
True.
Then again, Bon Jovi will soon be releasing an WHOLE ALBUM that doesn't feature Richie Sambora at all!!! :-)
Sebastian
[QUOTE] [b]The King Of Rhye wrote:[/b]
On a somewhat related note..........I was listening to The Beatles last night......I bet especially in their later years, they had a greater percentage of songs without all 4........or did they? (was listening to Yesterday, which is just Paul w strings...)
[/QUOTE]
Definitely! Another great list to make. I'll get on with it as soon as possible.
On a somewhat related note..........I was listening to The Beatles last night......I bet especially in their later years, they had a greater percentage of songs without all 4........or did they? (was listening to Yesterday, which is just Paul w strings...)
[/QUOTE]
Definitely! Another great list to make. I'll get on with it as soon as possible.
Karfan
The bass in More Of That Jazz sounds like John to me.The main reason why,is because it is played with fingers,and whenever Roger plays bass,he is playing it with a pick.It just sounds like John to me.But then again,it's my opinion...