"Lawyer proposes bill to allow murder of gays and lesbians"
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magicalfreddiemercury · Member since
I saw this subject's title as a news headline, and was stunned to see this wasn't about a lawyer in... say... Uganda, but about a lawyer in California, USA. This lawyer, a Matthew McLaughlin, calls this ballot initiative proposal "The Sodomite Suppression Act".
Here's just a small taste of the proposal -
SODOMITE SUPPRESSION ACT Penal Code section 39
a) The abominable crime against nature known as buggery, called also sodomy, is a monstrous evil that Almighty God, giver of freedom and liberty, commands us to suppress on pain of our utter destruction even as he overthrew Sodom and Gomorrha.
b) Seeing that it is better that offenders should die rather than that all of us should be killed by God's just wrath against us for the folly of tolerating-wickedness in our midst, the People of California wisely command, in the fear of God, that any person who willingly touches another person of the same gender for purposes of sexual gratification be put to death by bullets to the head or by any other convenient method.
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There's much more - see link to PDF below.
Apparently, for $200.00 anyone has the right to propose their own ballot initiatives. They need only garner a certain percentage of votes backing that proposal in order to get it on the next ballot. The state Attorney General has the obligation to summarize the proposal (down to 100 words) and present it to the public without prejudice. So... it looks like, no matter how disgusting this proposal is, it might actually have the chance to be voted on by the public. It will never become law, because it's clearly unconstitutional, but that it will get as far as a summary by the attorney general and a public vote is incredibly shocking to me, not to mention disturbing.
Here's just one article about the proposal - honestly, when I first read it, I kept thinking I'd somehow clicked on The Onion:
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/lawyer-proposes-california-ballot-measure-allowing-shooting-killing-gays-n327196
And here's the proposal itself -
https://oag.ca.gov/system/files/initiatives/pdfs/15-0008%20%28Sodomy%29_0.pdf
This isn't the first time this guy has tried to get legislation passed. Years ago, (2004) he proposed another ballot initiative (which didn't receive enough votes so it went nowhere). That one was about having the King James bible used as a textbook in all California public schools, for students in grades 1 through 12.
There's now a petition on Change.org to have him disbarred, but it's been said by several legal experts that this latest proposal, while immoral, might not rise to the level of unethical.
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The petition is here if you're interested -
https://www.change.org/p/california-state-bar-disbar-matthew-gregory-mclaughlin-198329?recruiter=1686836&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=share_twitter_responsive
*goodco* · Member since
Well, it does need 366,000 signatures from registered California voters before it can be on the ballot. I can just envision the five people he'll get canvassing neighborhoods, or setting up booths, trying to get that task accomplished.
I'd like to see someone go around and get 366,000 signatures for a proposal to kill anyone who signs the petition in favor of the afore mentioned proposal.
Or for those spit on sidewalks. Or jaywalk. Or who play baseball or hockey or watch NASCAR or wear nonmatching clothes or own a cat or dog.
The King Of Rhye · Member since
What, did April Fool's Day come early this year?? Geez.......how'd this guy become a lawyer..........
This bill was actually proposed by a congressman, and the House of Oklahoma passed it! Despite the fact that it is evidently unconstitutional by restricting marriage on religious grounds. The Republicans are so f***ing crazy that I honestly feel they are a threat to the whole of the civilized world. The religious right is an evil that differs from ISIS only in that it has not, yet, resorted to mass violence, but it is trying to change the law so that it can get away with just that.
This bill was actually proposed by a congressman, and the House of Oklahoma passed it! Despite the fact that it is evidently unconstitutional by restricting marriage on religious grounds. The Republicans are so f***ing crazy that I honestly feel they are a threat to the whole of the civilized world. The religious right is an evil that differs from ISIS only in that it has not, yet, resorted to mass violence, but it is trying to change the law so that it can get away with just that.
...[/QUOTE] The religious right is trying to change the law to legalize mass violence?
How so?
Sebastian · Member since
I oppose death penalty in any of its forms.
Having said that, it'd be nice to legalise some whacking of homophobic lawyers.
This bill was actually proposed by a congressman, and the House of Oklahoma passed it! Despite the fact that it is evidently unconstitutional by restricting marriage on religious grounds. The Republicans are so f***ing crazy that I honestly feel they are a threat to the whole of the civilized world. The religious right is an evil that differs from ISIS only in that it has not, yet, resorted to mass violence, but it is trying to change the law so that it can get away with just that.
...[/QUOTE] The religious right is trying to change the law to legalize mass violence?
How so?[/QUOTE]
1) Stand-your-ground laws 2) 'pre-emptive self defense' laws, whatever the hell that's suppossed to be 3) Redesignating the murder of abortion doctors as justifiable homicide ([url=http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/south-dakota-hb-1171-legalize-killing-abortion-providers]http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/south-dakota-hb-1171-legalize-killing-abortion-providers[/url])
Why am I not surprised that you come trolling in defense of the far right?
magicalfreddiemercury · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]*goodco* wrote:[/b]
Well, it does need 366,000 signatures from registered California voters before it can be on the ballot. I can just envision the five people he'll get canvassing neighborhoods, or setting up booths, trying to get that task accomplished. [/QUOTE]
True, and because of the number of signatures needed, the chance of it reaching the ballot is nil, but that it's allowed to go forward is insane, IMO. I get the free speech angle of this, but how can a call to cull a certain group of people be legal or covered under free speech? Sick. The state attorney general should have the right to reject this for its call to do harm and for its clear attempt to blend religious insanity into law.
[QUOTE] [b]*goodco* wrote:[/b]
I'd like to see someone go around and get 366,000 signatures for a proposal to kill anyone who signs the petition in favor of the afore mentioned proposal.
Or for those spit on sidewalks. Or jaywalk. Or who play baseball or hockey or watch NASCAR or wear nonmatching clothes or own a cat or dog. [/QUOTE]
This bill was actually proposed by a congressman, and the House of Oklahoma passed it! Despite the fact that it is evidently unconstitutional by restricting marriage on religious grounds. [/QUOTE]
It was proposed and passed by ELECTED representatives. That's the terrifying part of this. These people aren't acting in a vacuum. They were sent there to do a job by people who either knew their agenda or didn't take time to learn about it, and since we haven't heard of any outrage from constituents, it's safe to say they support this.
This bill was actually proposed by a congressman, and the House of Oklahoma passed it! Despite the fact that it is evidently unconstitutional by restricting marriage on religious grounds. The Republicans are so f***ing crazy that I honestly feel they are a threat to the whole of the civilized world. The religious right is an evil that differs from ISIS only in that it has not, yet, resorted to mass violence, but it is trying to change the law so that it can get away with just that.
...[/QUOTE]
The religious right is trying to change the law to legalize mass violence?
How so?[/QUOTE]
1) Stand-your-ground laws
2) 'pre-emptive self defense' laws, whatever the hell that's suppossed to be
3) Redesignating the murder of abortion doctors as justifiable homicide ([url=http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/south-dakota-hb-1171-legalize-killing-abortion-providers]http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/south-dakota-hb-1171-legalize-killing-abortion-providers[/url])
Why am I not surprised that you come trolling in defense of the far right?[/QUOTE]
I might see the above as attempting to legalize violence, but I fail to see how the above links qualify as the mass violence you consider to be comparable to ISIS.
I am not surprised that you use hyperbole to demonize all Republicans.
It might surprise you, I do not support the any of your above three links.
I consider myself a moderate Republican, and despise the religious right and the Tea Party.
brENsKi · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Panchgani wrote:[/b]
I consider myself a moderate Republican, and despise the religious right and the Tea Party.
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you despise and disagree with everyone and anything - just for disagreement's sake
The Real Wizard · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Panchgani wrote:[/b]
I consider myself a moderate Republican
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Good luck with that. There are no more moderate Republicans with a shred of power. The party has been taken over by religious zealots with a complete disregard for virtually everything that has made our species flourish. But that's what happens when you're owned by big oil, Wall Street, Israel, the NRA and the military industrial complex.
Even slightly aligning yourself with these people by voting for a Republican makes you part of the problem.
magicalfreddiemercury · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
There are no more moderate Republicans with a shred of power. The party has been taken over by religious zealots with a complete disregard for virtually everything that has made our species flourish...
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They have a twisted I-know-what-god-would-want agenda and are doing their damnedest to shove that agenda into law everywhere they've taken control - from denying climate change to denying basic reproductive rights to calling for the rounding up of gays. We have representatives saying homosexuals should be fenced in somewhere*… that we’d drop food down to them and with them all contained, once they die out, there won’t be any more of them. Others say women should hold an aspirin between their knees if they want to avoid getting pregnant, or that women should swallow a camera-pill so gynecologists can check their lady-parts remotely - because, you know, when a woman swallows something it lands right in her hoo-ha, in fact, that's how babies are made... more reason to watch what you eat. We have other religious fucking wackos saying abortion from rape doesn't need to be an exemption to an all-out abortion ban because when women go to the ER after a rape, doctors have "ways to clean all that out". WTF? It's the pervasiveness of this disgusting ignorance based on religious doctrine that's created an environment for greater and more disturbing restrictions to be placed on the average person - follower or not. These idiots are so wrapped in their own pathetically dark little righteous world that they even passed legislation banning sharia law, which isn't an issue, yet have accepted/ignored/voted-for christian "laws" which are slowly and steadily being insinuated into actual law. Constitutionality be damned.
It would be interesting to see how many signatures this "sodomite suppression act" would receive in Mississippi or Texas or Alabama vs. even the most conservative area of California. That it can even get that far - gathering signatures as if it's a legitimate piece of legislation - is despicable. But the tone has been set and it’s freaking dark and depressing.
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*my mistake - it wasn't an elected representative who said this about corralling homosexuals (within an electrified fence, no less), it was a baptist minister.
The King Of Rhye · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Panchgani wrote:[/b]
I consider myself a moderate Republican, and despise the religious right and the Tea Party.
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you despise and disagree with everyone and anything - just for disagreement's sake
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I despise and disagree with your despising and disagreeing of Panchgani's despising and disagreeing! lol
