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gerbenletzer
What a twat
brENsKi
I'm not agreeing with Dr May, but Brand is an issue that needs tackling - and soon.
Brand is a dickhead. the anarchy he preaches is ridiculous. The unfortunate aspect of this is that his pseudo-intellectual made-up-words, shag-everything that moves, celebism appeals to far too many extremely impressionable younger people. if people are directionless they look for a guide, and sadly, he is one of those that shouts the loudest.
his reasoning is crap: for one if you don't vote, then you can't complain about the Govt you end up with - he should just shut the f*ck up and shove his "booky-wook" where the sun don't shine.
secondly, his rant this week about stirring up another toxteth, belfast etc - shows what an ignorant fool he is.
basic common sense (and history) would tell him and any other "Che" impersonator - that if you stir up the prolls - the first casualties/property to get burned is that of his neighbourhood.
Brand is a dickhead. the anarchy he preaches is ridiculous. The unfortunate aspect of this is that his pseudo-intellectual made-up-words, shag-everything that moves, celebism appeals to far too many extremely impressionable younger people. if people are directionless they look for a guide, and sadly, he is one of those that shouts the loudest.
his reasoning is crap: for one if you don't vote, then you can't complain about the Govt you end up with - he should just shut the f*ck up and shove his "booky-wook" where the sun don't shine.
secondly, his rant this week about stirring up another toxteth, belfast etc - shows what an ignorant fool he is.
basic common sense (and history) would tell him and any other "Che" impersonator - that if you stir up the prolls - the first casualties/property to get burned is that of his neighbourhood.
Martin Packer
Actually I see Brand's point. But I also see Brian's. It's possible to do both. And they both endorse Caroline Lucas (who I'd vote for if I were in her constituency - despite being somewhat to the left of her).
AlbaNo1
I believe Brian would also be happy to enfranchise badgers
people on streets
Brian said it all right here:
I have nothing to add. OK. One thing. Brian handled this situation in a great way. What a smart gentleman he is.
http://www.sunnation.co.uk/we-asked-brian-may-why-he-tackled-russell-brand-on-voting-and-he-sent-us-this/
I have nothing to add. OK. One thing. Brian handled this situation in a great way. What a smart gentleman he is.
http://www.sunnation.co.uk/we-asked-brian-may-why-he-tackled-russell-brand-on-voting-and-he-sent-us-this/
Costa86
They wrote "Freddy" wrongly in the URL, but at least they got it right in the title.
mooghead
They are both just as boring and ridiculous as each other when it comes to politics. Remember when Brian used to play guitar?
thomasquinn 32989
It is a simple, undebatable fact that our political system is completely rotten to the core - plutocracy rules, multinationals don't have to play by the same rules as smaller businesses, the extremely wealthy get to buy off prosecution for economic crimes that would land anyone else in jail (see the bankers and their illegal doings with regards to mortages/loans, but also outright fraud like falsifying rates), there are entire corporations whose industry is the destruction of real economic value (a group of investors buys a large business, has it borrow to the max of its credit-worthiness, divides the money up as profit, gets money BACK from the tax authority because you can spread a loss (like that of a large loan) out retroactively, then has the company go bankrupt and sells it off in pieces, resulting in the net loss of capital goods and hundreds or even thousands of jobs. This has happened, in The Netherlands alone, with three large businesses in the past five years, at an expense of several thousands of jobs). Politics refuses to do anything substantial about this - the same bankers and financial moguls who got us into this enormous depression are still in charge, they are not suffering from the collapsed economy, and they get to go on with business as usual. Nearly all political parties have direct lines to these economic interest groups - ex-politicians get juicy top-level jobs with them - the few politicians who try to make a difference run up against 'party discipline', the vast majority of the people fall for the lies they are fed by those same politicians who scare them into voting for the status quo yet again. People refuse to make the effort to inform themselves before making a vote, voting 'like their parents did', or on the basis of a couple of sound bites.
Meanwhile, the returns on capital are still growing while those on labour are declining. Wealth is increasingly concentrated in ever fewer hands. Legislation to protect workers is abolished. Large employers are finding ever shrewder ways to con their employees out of things like sick pay, contributions to pensions and the likes. Labour unions, partly through their own fault, are becoming ever more ineffective while workers increasingly fail to see how they need to join forces to have a chance of enforcing their interests.
Meanwhile, we still have a political system that was designed in the 18th and 19th centuries and has been only marginally modified to catch up with the times. People are increasingly disinterested and spoiled by decades of peace and prosperity, sacrificing without so much as a grumble what generations of their ancestors fought, bled and died for. All we have gained since the Great Depression is being gradually given up.
We will need a lot more than simply a vote for a different party to change things around. Our economies, our system of finance, our international regulations, our democratic system, and most of all our mentality need to be dramatically overhauled. We don't want the transition from our current declining age to the next one to be like the last 'major' transition - through the blood of World War I and the poverty of the Great Depression. Mass communication, dramatic innovations in transport and the rise of the internet have changed the world into one that is entirely unlike the world of a century ago. Literacy and education are spreading across the globe, technology is reaching people who lived in pre-industrial conditions a few decades ago. Ideologies like ultra-nationalism and religious extremism are spreading among the fearful and the (sorry) dumb and gullible. Internationalism is a fact, and has been for decades, yet increasingly people are trying for national autarky, an utter deception. Increasingly, intellectuals, scientists and experts are distrusted and populists and demagogues lauded.
People like Brand think that they have a clue, but they really don't - they're just loudmouths getting some attention. Brian May thinks he understands and means well, but he doesn't have any true solutions to offer, simply encouraging words. I don't have a solution either. Nobody has all the answers. We need to work together, internationally, with everyone who can contribute something meaningful getting a word in. We need to distrust and fight narrowly based interest groups maintaining the status quo. We need to resist the urge for conservatism - the present situation cannot be maintained, and we must move forward, no matter how scary and uncertain that is.
Meanwhile, the returns on capital are still growing while those on labour are declining. Wealth is increasingly concentrated in ever fewer hands. Legislation to protect workers is abolished. Large employers are finding ever shrewder ways to con their employees out of things like sick pay, contributions to pensions and the likes. Labour unions, partly through their own fault, are becoming ever more ineffective while workers increasingly fail to see how they need to join forces to have a chance of enforcing their interests.
Meanwhile, we still have a political system that was designed in the 18th and 19th centuries and has been only marginally modified to catch up with the times. People are increasingly disinterested and spoiled by decades of peace and prosperity, sacrificing without so much as a grumble what generations of their ancestors fought, bled and died for. All we have gained since the Great Depression is being gradually given up.
We will need a lot more than simply a vote for a different party to change things around. Our economies, our system of finance, our international regulations, our democratic system, and most of all our mentality need to be dramatically overhauled. We don't want the transition from our current declining age to the next one to be like the last 'major' transition - through the blood of World War I and the poverty of the Great Depression. Mass communication, dramatic innovations in transport and the rise of the internet have changed the world into one that is entirely unlike the world of a century ago. Literacy and education are spreading across the globe, technology is reaching people who lived in pre-industrial conditions a few decades ago. Ideologies like ultra-nationalism and religious extremism are spreading among the fearful and the (sorry) dumb and gullible. Internationalism is a fact, and has been for decades, yet increasingly people are trying for national autarky, an utter deception. Increasingly, intellectuals, scientists and experts are distrusted and populists and demagogues lauded.
People like Brand think that they have a clue, but they really don't - they're just loudmouths getting some attention. Brian May thinks he understands and means well, but he doesn't have any true solutions to offer, simply encouraging words. I don't have a solution either. Nobody has all the answers. We need to work together, internationally, with everyone who can contribute something meaningful getting a word in. We need to distrust and fight narrowly based interest groups maintaining the status quo. We need to resist the urge for conservatism - the present situation cannot be maintained, and we must move forward, no matter how scary and uncertain that is.
RafaelS
I don't have anything more to say that Russell Brand is an absolute moron.
AlbaNo1
[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]
It is a simple, undebatable fact that our political system is completely rotten to the core - plutocracy rules, multinationals don't have to play by the same rules as smaller businesses, the extremely wealthy get to buy off prosecution for economic crimes that would land anyone else in jail (see the bankers and their illegal doings with regards to mortages/loans, but also outright fraud like falsifying rates), there are entire corporations whose industry is the destruction of real economic value (a group of investors buys a large business, has it borrow to the max of its credit-worthiness, divides the money up as profit, gets money BACK from the tax authority because you can spread a loss (like that of a large loan) out retroactively, then has the company go bankrupt and sells it off in pieces, resulting in the net loss of capital goods and hundreds or even thousands of jobs. This has happened, in The Netherlands alone, with three large businesses in the past five years, at an expense of several thousands of jobs). Politics refuses to do anything substantial about this - the same bankers and financial moguls who got us into this enormous depression are still in charge, they are not suffering from the collapsed economy, and they get to go on with business as usual. Nearly all political parties have direct lines to these economic interest groups - ex-politicians get juicy top-level jobs with them - the few politicians who try to make a difference run up against 'party discipline', the vast majority of the people fall for the lies they are fed by those same politicians who scare them into voting for the status quo yet again. People refuse to make the effort to inform themselves before making a vote, voting 'like their parents did', or on the basis of a couple of sound bites.
Meanwhile, the returns on capital are still growing while those on labour are declining. Wealth is increasingly concentrated in ever fewer hands. Legislation to protect workers is abolished. Large employers are finding ever shrewder ways to con their employees out of things like sick pay, contributions to pensions and the likes. Labour unions, partly through their own fault, are becoming ever more ineffective while workers increasingly fail to see how they need to join forces to have a chance of enforcing their interests.
Meanwhile, we still have a political system that was designed in the 18th and 19th centuries and has been only marginally modified to catch up with the times. People are increasingly disinterested and spoiled by decades of peace and prosperity, sacrificing without so much as a grumble what generations of their ancestors fought, bled and died for. All we have gained since the Great Depression is being gradually given up.
We will need a lot more than simply a vote for a different party to change things around. Our economies, our system of finance, our international regulations, our democratic system, and most of all our mentality need to be dramatically overhauled. We don't want the transition from our current declining age to the next one to be like the last 'major' transition - through the blood of World War I and the poverty of the Great Depression. Mass communication, dramatic innovations in transport and the rise of the internet have changed the world into one that is entirely unlike the world of a century ago. Literacy and education are spreading across the globe, technology is reaching people who lived in pre-industrial conditions a few decades ago. Ideologies like ultra-nationalism and religious extremism are spreading among the fearful and the (sorry) dumb and gullible. Internationalism is a fact, and has been for decades, yet increasingly people are trying for national autarky, an utter deception. Increasingly, intellectuals, scientists and experts are distrusted and populists and demagogues lauded.
People like Brand think that they have a clue, but they really don't - they're just loudmouths getting some attention. Brian May thinks he understands and means well, but he doesn't have any true solutions to offer, simply encouraging words. I don't have a solution either. Nobody has all the answers. We need to work together, internationally, with everyone who can contribute something meaningful getting a word in. We need to distrust and fight narrowly based interest groups maintaining the status quo. We need to resist the urge for conservatism - the present situation cannot be maintained, and we must move forward, no matter how scary and uncertain that is. [/QUOTE]
Hi Russell, never knew you were a Queen fan
It is a simple, undebatable fact that our political system is completely rotten to the core - plutocracy rules, multinationals don't have to play by the same rules as smaller businesses, the extremely wealthy get to buy off prosecution for economic crimes that would land anyone else in jail (see the bankers and their illegal doings with regards to mortages/loans, but also outright fraud like falsifying rates), there are entire corporations whose industry is the destruction of real economic value (a group of investors buys a large business, has it borrow to the max of its credit-worthiness, divides the money up as profit, gets money BACK from the tax authority because you can spread a loss (like that of a large loan) out retroactively, then has the company go bankrupt and sells it off in pieces, resulting in the net loss of capital goods and hundreds or even thousands of jobs. This has happened, in The Netherlands alone, with three large businesses in the past five years, at an expense of several thousands of jobs). Politics refuses to do anything substantial about this - the same bankers and financial moguls who got us into this enormous depression are still in charge, they are not suffering from the collapsed economy, and they get to go on with business as usual. Nearly all political parties have direct lines to these economic interest groups - ex-politicians get juicy top-level jobs with them - the few politicians who try to make a difference run up against 'party discipline', the vast majority of the people fall for the lies they are fed by those same politicians who scare them into voting for the status quo yet again. People refuse to make the effort to inform themselves before making a vote, voting 'like their parents did', or on the basis of a couple of sound bites.
Meanwhile, the returns on capital are still growing while those on labour are declining. Wealth is increasingly concentrated in ever fewer hands. Legislation to protect workers is abolished. Large employers are finding ever shrewder ways to con their employees out of things like sick pay, contributions to pensions and the likes. Labour unions, partly through their own fault, are becoming ever more ineffective while workers increasingly fail to see how they need to join forces to have a chance of enforcing their interests.
Meanwhile, we still have a political system that was designed in the 18th and 19th centuries and has been only marginally modified to catch up with the times. People are increasingly disinterested and spoiled by decades of peace and prosperity, sacrificing without so much as a grumble what generations of their ancestors fought, bled and died for. All we have gained since the Great Depression is being gradually given up.
We will need a lot more than simply a vote for a different party to change things around. Our economies, our system of finance, our international regulations, our democratic system, and most of all our mentality need to be dramatically overhauled. We don't want the transition from our current declining age to the next one to be like the last 'major' transition - through the blood of World War I and the poverty of the Great Depression. Mass communication, dramatic innovations in transport and the rise of the internet have changed the world into one that is entirely unlike the world of a century ago. Literacy and education are spreading across the globe, technology is reaching people who lived in pre-industrial conditions a few decades ago. Ideologies like ultra-nationalism and religious extremism are spreading among the fearful and the (sorry) dumb and gullible. Internationalism is a fact, and has been for decades, yet increasingly people are trying for national autarky, an utter deception. Increasingly, intellectuals, scientists and experts are distrusted and populists and demagogues lauded.
People like Brand think that they have a clue, but they really don't - they're just loudmouths getting some attention. Brian May thinks he understands and means well, but he doesn't have any true solutions to offer, simply encouraging words. I don't have a solution either. Nobody has all the answers. We need to work together, internationally, with everyone who can contribute something meaningful getting a word in. We need to distrust and fight narrowly based interest groups maintaining the status quo. We need to resist the urge for conservatism - the present situation cannot be maintained, and we must move forward, no matter how scary and uncertain that is. [/QUOTE]
Hi Russell, never knew you were a Queen fan
thomasquinn 32989
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[b]AlbaNo1 wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [/QUOTE]
Hi Russell, never knew you were a Queen fan
[/QUOTE]
Responding to my post with a pathetic non sequitur like that doesn't exactly help you to come across as a reasonable individual. How about responding to the substance? Or is it too much to ask that you stop and think for a bit? Don't answer that, your remark about Brian wanting to enfranchise badgers says all we need to know about the level you operate on with regards to discussions.
[b]AlbaNo1 wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [/QUOTE]
Hi Russell, never knew you were a Queen fan
[/QUOTE]
Responding to my post with a pathetic non sequitur like that doesn't exactly help you to come across as a reasonable individual. How about responding to the substance? Or is it too much to ask that you stop and think for a bit? Don't answer that, your remark about Brian wanting to enfranchise badgers says all we need to know about the level you operate on with regards to discussions.
AlbaNo1
Yes help me think please
AlbaNo1
Yes help me think please
AlbaNo1
Maybe someone can help you with your humour in return