UKIP has become so popular simply becaused Farage is saying what people want to hear. But, in reality, they have no idea what would happen if the UK left the EU. They seem to think they can negotiate some kind of EFTA-like free trade agreement, and keep all the good things but get rid of immigration. The UK's so-called immigration problem is not the fault of the EU. This country is full of non-EU migrants.
Farage is a good orator, but that's it. Vocal harmony is right - if UKIP were ever in power, they'd ruin the UK in a few years. You don't manage a country with a pint of lager and macho bullshit statements to the effect of "the UK can be so great and it can do it all alone",
Sadly, the only way to vote in this election is Labour, although I far from agree with all their policies (I think, for instance, they need a stronger stance on welfare - I agree the welfare policy needs to be seriously revised). I'm not British (yet) but still managed to vote, since I'm from a Commonwealth (and European) country. And it gave me great pleasure to vote for Labour, against UKIP. Fancy that, a migrant with non-British citizenship voting against Farage. Truth is, I'd die for England before I'd die for my birth country, and Farage makes a grave mistake in thinking migrants all come here to scrounge benefits. That's an absolute load of tosh. Most of them are hardworking people.
brENsKi · Member since
bacon sandwiches,.. "hell yeah"...denial about overspends...tripping up at the debate....unfortunately, "Brandgate" was just one of many miscalculated jockeyings that had MiliBLAND's obliteration written on the wall - long before the ill-advised "tombstone" gesture.
there are questions today about how the pollsters got it so wrong - for weeks it'd been "neck and neck". I don't think they got it wrong at all - i think that the undecideds were waiting and hoping for any reason to vote labour - any single reason at all...but when it didn't happen - right at the death - they voted for the other lot - or the SNP.
Labour's problem is one of leadership and charisma....Blair was the bigest liar that ever led a politcal party, but he had leadership ability and charisma in bucketloads - i wonder what Miliband would give for even an ounce of what Blair had?
blessing in all this? Clegg - has found out what happens when you choose not to stick to your principles.
Costa86 · Member since
The masses voted for what they thought was best. Let's see what will happen with the 2017 EU referendum. Stormy waters ahead, Queen fans. But go buy yourselves a beer because Cameron is still at number 10 - make sure you down it well, and you'll need a lot more to face what's coming, you bunch of Conservative beeps.
brENsKi · Member since
the biggest problem in all of this is so obvious that most people have overlooked it:- Cameron's promises made during the last four weeks - were made when he thought it'd be another hung parliament/coalition. now they have a majority Govt, the main points from the manifesto are now more worthless than usual:
- £5,000 of free childcare - Income tax-free minimum wage - [b]Raising the personal allowance for tax to £12,500[/b] - [b]Increasing the starting salary for the 40p rate to £50,000[/b] - No increase in income tax, VAT, National Insurance - [b]Raising the inheritance tax threshold for family homes to £1m[/b] - Seven-day access to GP service - An annual £8bn boost for NHS funding - 30 hours of childcare for three and four-year-olds - [b]Repeal the Hunting Act[/b] - Increase state pension by at least 2.5% with a triple lock - 200,000 starter homes built - [b]Committed to four-boat Trident nuclear deterrent[/b]
be honest people...in 5 years' time - how many of the above will have happened? (i've highlighted those i think will happen) can you see any commonality in them?
Day dop · Member since
Typical empty response from Brand.
I've already made my views fairly clear on Brand on this forum. It's about time people stopped getting what they wrongly perceive as "education" from YouTube videos made by uneducated and ill informed celebs like Brand.
Day Dop... why are you posting that made up, pointless bit of propaganda made up by somebody who quite possibly follows Britain First and all the crap they post on FB?
Russell, recognised that Labour was the lesser of two evils, and considering that Milliband was polite enough to have an interview, whereas Cameron mocked him and spent his time hanging out with the likes of Katie Hopkins - Russell did suggest people vote Labour. I think that decision was quite brave as he knew the kind of backlash the largely conservative media monopoly would throw back at him. He recieved letters from disabled people who's benefits were going to be slashed, and recognised that even if the differences appear very minute between Labour and conservatives...those differences still affect a lot of people.
Since the election, as you will be able to see, nothing has changed. He continues to do his Trews show where he deconstructs and criticises governments worldwide. He hasn't quit politics at all.
So what's your point? Seriously, what's your point?
Day dop · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Supersonic_Man89 wrote:[/b]
Day Dop... why are you posting that made up, pointless bit of propaganda made up by somebody who quite possibly follows Britain First and all the crap they post on FB?
Russell, recognised that Labour was the lesser of two evils, and considering that Milliband was polite enough to have an interview, whereas Cameron mocked him and spent his time hanging out with the likes of Katie Hopkins - Russell did suggest people vote Labour. I think that decision was quite brave as he knew the kind of backlash the largely conservative media monopoly would throw back at him. He recieved letters from disabled people who's benefits were going to be slashed, and recognised that even if the differences appear very minute between Labour and conservatives...those differences still affect a lot of people.
Since the election, as you will be able to see, nothing has changed. He continues to do his Trews show where he deconstructs and criticises governments worldwide. He hasn't quit politics at all.
So what's your point? Seriously, what's your point?[/QUOTE]
Why on earth would you think that's "propaganda made up by somebody who quite possibly follows Britain First"? Because you (wrongly) perceive that anyone who disagrees with Brand's bullshit or makes a parody of him is right wing? Far from it. Just because a person holds attitude X, that doesn't mean they automatically hold attitude Y. Or to put it another way, just because someone's aware that Brand talks a lot of crap, that doesn't mean that person automatically believes everything the media comes out with, or that they're right wing. In fact, David Cameron saying that Brand's "a joke" is one of the few times I've found myself in agreement with something he's come out with.
As someone who is center left, I consider Brand to be an embarrassment. And I'm far from the only one: http://www.forwardprogressives.com/russell-brand-isnt-an-activist-hes-an-embarassment/
That meme is a parody of Brand, if it wasn't obvious. Yes, Brand did tell his fans to vote Labour AFTER it was too late for them to register and AFTER he'd been promoting his "you shouldn't vote" bollocks.
"I will never vote and I don't think you should, either." - Russell Brand, the New Statesmen 24 Oct 2013. And let's not pretend that wasn't the message that was coming across the loudest. So it could be argued that he contributed to the Conservatives winning, by telling his fans - the young / working classes - who would've otherwise have most likely voted for Green or Labour, that they shouldn't vote. Impressive.
Brand "deconstructs and criticises governments worldwide"?
Fans of David Icke and Alex Jones tend to believe they both do the same. If you want to inform yourself on something, Brand isn't the place to start - and if you're going to listen to him, at least double check - because he's fairly unreliable when it comes to fact checking.
Like... Brand's completely idiotic and long debunked views on 9/11 - mentioned here, in case you missed it > http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1405049/russell-brand.aspx ?
Or, here's another one...
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jun/02/russell-brand/russell-brand-misinforms-fans-about-us-murder-rate/
Or how In a rant on energy, Brand described a Britain in which “energy companies are subsidised by taxes while renewable energy is ignored.” Well, no. Renewable energy is the energy form most heavily subsidised by taxes – and precisely because, far from being ignored, it is being incentivised by government regulation.
You're welcome to plenty more examples of how Brand talks crap - and not someone to be blindly believed.
As for Brand quitting politics, I thought he said he was quitting politics? Although, he appears to know as much about politics as he does science. Sure, he might get it right every now and then (just like David Icke), enough for the uncritical to blindly buy into and lap up everything he comes out with, which brings me to answering your question...
I think I've already said what my point was (and still is): it's about time people stopped getting what they wrongly perceive as "education" from YouTube videos made by uneducated and ill informed celebs like Brand.
