bootLuca
I'm the only one to have problems playing track 9 - vocal solo and track 15 - guitar solo of CD3?
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hobbit in Rhye
^ I had no problems playing those 2 of the new CD3, unless you meant a subtler problem..?
Mr.QueenFan
[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
New link for CD 3 : https://mega.nz/#!GpF0kQBI!kUkoiMbaDF9MCqEhE-KPUkHC-QKzSxbiGvPxkQb4RvM[/QUOTE]
Just one quick question:
Is the only difference the "One Vision" track?
Thanks
New link for CD 3 : https://mega.nz/#!GpF0kQBI!kUkoiMbaDF9MCqEhE-KPUkHC-QKzSxbiGvPxkQb4RvM[/QUOTE]
Just one quick question:
Is the only difference the "One Vision" track?
Thanks
bootLuca
[QUOTE] [b]hobbit in Rhye wrote:[/b]
^ I had no problems playing those 2 of the new CD3, unless you meant a subtler problem..?[/QUOTE]
I mean that the player doesn't recognize these 2 files as audio tracks, so I can't play them... not even an editor like audition
I also tried to re-download the whole archive but to no avail
This problem occurred also with the same files of the old CD3
^ I had no problems playing those 2 of the new CD3, unless you meant a subtler problem..?[/QUOTE]
I mean that the player doesn't recognize these 2 files as audio tracks, so I can't play them... not even an editor like audition
I also tried to re-download the whole archive but to no avail
This problem occurred also with the same files of the old CD3
bootLuca
[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]
Just one quick question:
Is the only difference the "One Vision" track?
Thanks
[/QUOTE]
no, the speech before Dust has been extended!
Just one quick question:
Is the only difference the "One Vision" track?
Thanks
[/QUOTE]
no, the speech before Dust has been extended!
pittrek
[QUOTE] [b]bootLuca wrote:[/b]
I'm the only one to have problems playing track 9 - vocal solo and track 15 - guitar solo of CD3?[/QUOTE]
Winamp plays these files without any problems. Can you decode it to wav and see if it fixes the problems?
I'm the only one to have problems playing track 9 - vocal solo and track 15 - guitar solo of CD3?[/QUOTE]
Winamp plays these files without any problems. Can you decode it to wav and see if it fixes the problems?
pittrek
[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
New link for CD 3 : https://mega.nz/#!GpF0kQBI!kUkoiMbaDF9MCqEhE-KPUkHC-QKzSxbiGvPxkQb4RvM[/QUOTE]
Just one quick question:
Is the only difference the "One Vision" track?
Thanks
[/QUOTE]
There is an extra version of One Vision added, the "cunt" speech before Dust and all other songs after Dust are "shifted" to correct any possible SBEs
[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
New link for CD 3 : https://mega.nz/#!GpF0kQBI!kUkoiMbaDF9MCqEhE-KPUkHC-QKzSxbiGvPxkQb4RvM[/QUOTE]
Just one quick question:
Is the only difference the "One Vision" track?
Thanks
[/QUOTE]
There is an extra version of One Vision added, the "cunt" speech before Dust and all other songs after Dust are "shifted" to correct any possible SBEs
dysan
Excellent work.
I like the notion that EMI didn't want to cut anything from Live Magic to keep the playing time down!
Speeding up generally plays a nice trick on the ears of those involved to make the track sound more 'crisp'. Almost every Ken Scott produced Bowie track does that, I have to say to the detriment of the sound.
Here's a picture of Belouis Some and Freddie Mercury.
I like the notion that EMI didn't want to cut anything from Live Magic to keep the playing time down!
Speeding up generally plays a nice trick on the ears of those involved to make the track sound more 'crisp'. Almost every Ken Scott produced Bowie track does that, I have to say to the detriment of the sound.
Here's a picture of Belouis Some and Freddie Mercury.
Mr.QueenFan
[QUOTE] [b]dysan wrote:[/b]
Here's a picture of Belouis Some and Freddie Mercury.[/QUOTE]
That is a very nice picture. Never seen it before, so thank you for sharing it.
Here's a picture of Belouis Some and Freddie Mercury.[/QUOTE]
That is a very nice picture. Never seen it before, so thank you for sharing it.
Mr.QueenFan
[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
New link for CD 3 : https://mega.nz/#!GpF0kQBI!kUkoiMbaDF9MCqEhE-KPUkHC-QKzSxbiGvPxkQb4RvM[/QUOTE]
Just one quick question:
Is the only difference the "One Vision" track?
Thanks
[/QUOTE]
There is an extra version of One Vision added, the "cunt" speech before Dust and all other songs after Dust are "shifted" to correct any possible SBEs .[/QUOTE]
OK, so i´ll just delete the older version. Thank you.
By the way, what is SBEs? I´m not very knowledgeable about these things.
[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
New link for CD 3 : https://mega.nz/#!GpF0kQBI!kUkoiMbaDF9MCqEhE-KPUkHC-QKzSxbiGvPxkQb4RvM[/QUOTE]
Just one quick question:
Is the only difference the "One Vision" track?
Thanks
[/QUOTE]
There is an extra version of One Vision added, the "cunt" speech before Dust and all other songs after Dust are "shifted" to correct any possible SBEs .[/QUOTE]
OK, so i´ll just delete the older version. Thank you.
By the way, what is SBEs? I´m not very knowledgeable about these things.
pittrek
SBE is a [b]S[/b]ector [b]B[/b]oundary [b]E[/b]rror. It's relevant only if you burn the files to audio CD's, cause every track has to have an exact number of sectors.
EDIT : I found a pretty nice technical explanation on TheTradersDen : http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2422
[QUOTE]
Audio CDs hold data in minimum block ("sector") sizes of 1/75th second (0.01333 seconds / 2352 bytes of data / 588 stereo samples). If you try to burn an audio file to an audio CD, and its length is not an exact number of sectors, the last sector will usually be padded with digital silence (zeros). This gap is referred to as a "sector boundary error" because it is an error caused by a large audio file having been split into individual tracks at places other than sector boundaries (1/75th second intervals).
As such, an SBE is a silence of less-than-but-not-equal-to 1/75th second found "between" audio tracks on a CD. I say "between" because technically it is at the end of the preceeding track and has nothing to do with the one that follows. In some cases, this flaw could be completely unnoticeable, as it could be only one sample, and could fit neatly into the current flow of samples. However, more likely it will leave an audible silence, or an audible click. The click is caused when the silence interrupts a "loud" part of the waveform, i.e. one that is not close to digital silence. The waveform makes a sudden jump from a loud value to silence, and then back up again to carry on when it left off. I'll add some images in a minute for clarification.
Once you burn an audio CD with SBEs, the silences become part of the audio data - they won't disappear again if/when you extract back to your computer. An audio file extracted from a CD can never have an SBE because it's come from a CD and is as such sector-boundary-aligned.
It should be noted that "SBE" has falsely become something of a catch-all term for anything that has a short (non-two-second) silence between tracks. There was an Ozric Tentacles show seeded on STG over summer straight from the master, which had silences at the end of each track that were maybe 0.05-0.1 seconds in length. I've no idea what the taper did to achieve these, but I've seen the show on tradelists noting "quite a large SBE between each track" - there's no such thing as a "large" SBE - it's by definition less than 1/75th second in length.
If you wish to avoid creating files with SBEs, split using CDWave. For assured reliability, don't actually split the files - just save the cuesheet and burn using software that can handle cuesheets (CDRWin, newer versions of Nero etc).
Thankfully, pure SBEs don't damage the audio data in any way, they just interrupt it, so with care can can be perfectly fixed by just removing the silence. The waveforms either side of the silence should automatically line up perfectly. TAO, and especially mp3 gaps, are not so easy to remedy as small parts of the audio data can be lost in the gap generation process.
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EDIT : I found a pretty nice technical explanation on TheTradersDen : http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2422
[QUOTE]
Audio CDs hold data in minimum block ("sector") sizes of 1/75th second (0.01333 seconds / 2352 bytes of data / 588 stereo samples). If you try to burn an audio file to an audio CD, and its length is not an exact number of sectors, the last sector will usually be padded with digital silence (zeros). This gap is referred to as a "sector boundary error" because it is an error caused by a large audio file having been split into individual tracks at places other than sector boundaries (1/75th second intervals).
As such, an SBE is a silence of less-than-but-not-equal-to 1/75th second found "between" audio tracks on a CD. I say "between" because technically it is at the end of the preceeding track and has nothing to do with the one that follows. In some cases, this flaw could be completely unnoticeable, as it could be only one sample, and could fit neatly into the current flow of samples. However, more likely it will leave an audible silence, or an audible click. The click is caused when the silence interrupts a "loud" part of the waveform, i.e. one that is not close to digital silence. The waveform makes a sudden jump from a loud value to silence, and then back up again to carry on when it left off. I'll add some images in a minute for clarification.
Once you burn an audio CD with SBEs, the silences become part of the audio data - they won't disappear again if/when you extract back to your computer. An audio file extracted from a CD can never have an SBE because it's come from a CD and is as such sector-boundary-aligned.
It should be noted that "SBE" has falsely become something of a catch-all term for anything that has a short (non-two-second) silence between tracks. There was an Ozric Tentacles show seeded on STG over summer straight from the master, which had silences at the end of each track that were maybe 0.05-0.1 seconds in length. I've no idea what the taper did to achieve these, but I've seen the show on tradelists noting "quite a large SBE between each track" - there's no such thing as a "large" SBE - it's by definition less than 1/75th second in length.
If you wish to avoid creating files with SBEs, split using CDWave. For assured reliability, don't actually split the files - just save the cuesheet and burn using software that can handle cuesheets (CDRWin, newer versions of Nero etc).
Thankfully, pure SBEs don't damage the audio data in any way, they just interrupt it, so with care can can be perfectly fixed by just removing the silence. The waveforms either side of the silence should automatically line up perfectly. TAO, and especially mp3 gaps, are not so easy to remedy as small parts of the audio data can be lost in the gap generation process.
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bootLuca
[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]bootLuca wrote:[/b]
I'm the only one to have problems playing track 9 - vocal solo and track 15 - guitar solo of CD3?[/QUOTE]
Winamp plays these files without any problems. Can you decode it to wav and see if it fixes the problems?[/QUOTE]
Thank you for the help...
It's really strange, Winamp doesn't even recognise these 2 tracks, so I can't decode them to wav!
[QUOTE] [b]bootLuca wrote:[/b]
I'm the only one to have problems playing track 9 - vocal solo and track 15 - guitar solo of CD3?[/QUOTE]
Winamp plays these files without any problems. Can you decode it to wav and see if it fixes the problems?[/QUOTE]
Thank you for the help...
It's really strange, Winamp doesn't even recognise these 2 tracks, so I can't decode them to wav!
pittrek
That's weird, my Winamp (5.6.5) plays them perfectly. I have now downloaded the archive and even the uploaded files play perfectly, so I don't know what's going on. I'll upload wav versions of these files for you
Nitroboy
[QUOTE]
[b]bootLuca wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]bootLuca wrote:[/b]
I'm the only one to have problems playing track 9 - vocal solo and track 15 - guitar solo of CD3?[/QUOTE]
Winamp plays these files without any problems. Can you decode it to wav and see if it fixes the problems?[/QUOTE]
Thank you for the help...
It's really strange, Winamp doesn't even recognise these 2 tracks, so I can't decode them to wav![/QUOTE]
Use Trader's Little Helper to decode them to .WAV :)
[b]bootLuca wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]bootLuca wrote:[/b]
I'm the only one to have problems playing track 9 - vocal solo and track 15 - guitar solo of CD3?[/QUOTE]
Winamp plays these files without any problems. Can you decode it to wav and see if it fixes the problems?[/QUOTE]
Thank you for the help...
It's really strange, Winamp doesn't even recognise these 2 tracks, so I can't decode them to wav![/QUOTE]
Use Trader's Little Helper to decode them to .WAV :)
pittrek
Luca - try this file for the wav files : https://mega.nz/#!SxMmXD6Q!vF5R0FGrqexZpuGplJlp_2Pq1F_rViE-beVY8wX1gJw