Do you consider this band to be crap, okay or great?

Okay. Certainly not a crap band, and they were innovative to some extent, but also over-hyped and, once stripped of the external baggage of nostalgia and drama, not as earth-shattering as the early '90s wanted us to believe.

^yep. He talked quite a bit about it in an interview. Sitting in his dad or "uncle's" white van replaying NEWS OF THE WORLD on cassette until the battery stopped.

Gotta think about how REVELATORY that is. .

What was his dad or whomever *(somebody please clarify this for me) DOING while the kid Cobain was waiting around.

Could be good, Could be bad. THE thing is people are drawn to emotions. Particularly at that age. A kid will call you out if you're pretending but out of your element.

Just the way it is.

That album was with less pretense and full of emotion whether the listener gets it or not.

Hard cutting emotion.

None of the songs are "I went to the store today to fill up my pills while I waited in line a kind old lady graciously gave me candy. "

[QUOTE] [b]matt z wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]

Amazing. And the only great thing about the 90's[/QUOTE]

Bullshit man!

90's:
Milli Vanilli
Soundgarden
Alice in chains
ozzy 's last good album
animaniacs
Pinky and the brain
the last breaths of TMNT
the last breaths of NES
the first two good Batman films
the last great CAST of SNL
George Michael's FAITH
A few good Duran Duran albums
made in Heaven was released
guns and roses did their last epic Tour

Plenty other reasons but I'm just mentioning the popular culture stuff. [/QUOTE]

Wow ! You REALLY put Milli Vanilli on the "good thing" list?
Soundgarden - OK, I like Black Hole Sun, but that's the only song I like from them.
Alice In Chains - never liked them.
Ozzy - OK, I forgot that both No More Tears and Ozzmosis were released in the 90's.
Animaniacs - I think they were OK, but I never was a fan.
Pinky and the Brain - the same.
TMNT - the 90's seasons sucked. That 80's seasons were great.
NES - what's that? The gaming system? If yes, I never head one.
Batman - actually the one Batman movie I love was made in the 80's, the second one was from the 90's but again, for me it was just OK.
SNL - I've never seen anything from SNL except of a few Star Trek parodies on youtube.
George Michael - never liked his music.
Duran Duran - the same.
MIH - well, how could I forget this album?
GNR were OK, but overrated.

Also if you want to include movies, I simply have to add T2, Jurassic Park and maybe Titanic? But overall - I'm an 80's kid, that probably explains why I love(d) the 80's :-)

Haha i put Milli Vanilli in there for the sheer drama of it all.

They were practically destroyed before the public scorn. There were even commercials targeting people who had purchased their album. They had refund commercials! For quite some time it was hard to locate an album after that.

The songs are memorable (the influence of music on a young mind) despite having the same cheap Casio sounding rhythm tracks on almost every song.

There was such a public spectacle about it. I'm supposed it hasn't been made into a serious film study of media "idols"

I've got some art concepts for that film if it ever gets made. Stuff for the criterion edition (20 years later)

I used to listen to Nirvana a lot (a half life ago), I have every album, but nowadays I think they're mostly too noisy.

Quite funny to listen to today's teens reactions : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGPbHUZQ-VE

Basically, a generation has passed, and teenagers *still* don't realize that Kurt Cobain is calling them spoilt brats who are contagiously stupid.

^^^ and not even in a well-hidden or clever way

Strangest thing - my brother had to study the impact of Nirvana on North American culture in grade 12, and his teacher placed special emphasis on The Man Who Sold The World, which is not even a Nirvana song!
Guess this is quite off-topic. Sorry.

Well they did COVER it, so it COULD be considered a Nirvana song. Sort of.