[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
..., it seems like the right people haven't been working for them.
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What I liked about the Queen bonus tracks is that we got some live tracks.
I actually - and this might surprise people - grew very fond of the Tokorozawa (or Tokyo) November 3, 1982 performance and I'm very glad we got to hear the fast WWRY and also action this day in full glory for the first time.
'39 from Earls Court was magnificent, as is the You take my breath away performance from Hyde park. Great they included Sheer heart attack from Paris too. Or the Rio songs...
It was great to get a few live gems like that. On the other hand, the could have included way more such live songs on the bonus discs.
If they indeed also recorded such gigs as Newcastle, Manchester end Slane '86: why not include tracks from one of those shows? That would have been really surprising.
Did the Zeppelin bonus stuff include any live songs apart from the Paris 1969 show?
I actually - and this might surprise people - grew very fond of the Tokorozawa (or Tokyo) November 3, 1982 performance and I'm very glad we got to hear the fast WWRY and also action this day in full glory for the first time.
'39 from Earls Court was magnificent, as is the You take my breath away performance from Hyde park. Great they included Sheer heart attack from Paris too. Or the Rio songs...
It was great to get a few live gems like that. On the other hand, the could have included way more such live songs on the bonus discs.
If they indeed also recorded such gigs as Newcastle, Manchester end Slane '86: why not include tracks from one of those shows? That would have been really surprising.
Did the Zeppelin bonus stuff include any live songs apart from the Paris 1969 show?
cmsdrums
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]sexmachine wrote:[/b]
Since a couple of years i am a regular visitor to London record fairs. A lot of dealers told me that Jimmy Page is a going to every record fair to search for old mint condition Led Zel bootlegs for his new reissues. I have seen pictures pictures as proofs. The reason why Led Zep bonus stuff is superior to Queen is that Jimmy Page cares and Brian May gives a shit.[/QUOTE]
In Brian's defense - what has Page done in the last 15 years, other than remaster old Zeppelin recordings?
Brian has simply followed other interests. Music has pretty clearly become second bananas to his beloved furry critters, astronomy and stereo photography.
And with the exception of the Rainbow box set, it seems like the right people haven't been working for them. Hopefully that's just the start of a string of great things to come.
[/QUOTE]
Agreed about Brian having a 'full' but still very public life and profile outside music....and also worth pointing out that in that 15 years he has STILL managed two world tours plus a studio album with Paul Rodgers, a couple of studio albums, one off singles, and major tours with Kerry Ellis, major Wolrd touring with Adam Lambert, numerous guest appearances on stage and recordings around the world with a wide variety of artists, written, recorded and released film soundtracks, carried on fairly 'hands on' with the WWRY musical, recorded and released the three new tracks on 'Forever', released several books including a music related one of the 'Red Special'... and probably more besides that I've not listed.
Put like that it does make Jimmy Page seems rather Sloth-like!!
[QUOTE] [b]sexmachine wrote:[/b]
Since a couple of years i am a regular visitor to London record fairs. A lot of dealers told me that Jimmy Page is a going to every record fair to search for old mint condition Led Zel bootlegs for his new reissues. I have seen pictures pictures as proofs. The reason why Led Zep bonus stuff is superior to Queen is that Jimmy Page cares and Brian May gives a shit.[/QUOTE]
In Brian's defense - what has Page done in the last 15 years, other than remaster old Zeppelin recordings?
Brian has simply followed other interests. Music has pretty clearly become second bananas to his beloved furry critters, astronomy and stereo photography.
And with the exception of the Rainbow box set, it seems like the right people haven't been working for them. Hopefully that's just the start of a string of great things to come.
[/QUOTE]
Agreed about Brian having a 'full' but still very public life and profile outside music....and also worth pointing out that in that 15 years he has STILL managed two world tours plus a studio album with Paul Rodgers, a couple of studio albums, one off singles, and major tours with Kerry Ellis, major Wolrd touring with Adam Lambert, numerous guest appearances on stage and recordings around the world with a wide variety of artists, written, recorded and released film soundtracks, carried on fairly 'hands on' with the WWRY musical, recorded and released the three new tracks on 'Forever', released several books including a music related one of the 'Red Special'... and probably more besides that I've not listed.
Put like that it does make Jimmy Page seems rather Sloth-like!!
cmsdrums
Double post
Holly2003
[QUOTE] [b]cmsdrums wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]sexmachine wrote:[/b]
Since a couple of years i am a regular visitor to London record fairs. A lot of dealers told me that Jimmy Page is a going to every record fair to search for old mint condition Led Zel bootlegs for his new reissues. I have seen pictures pictures as proofs. The reason why Led Zep bonus stuff is superior to Queen is that Jimmy Page cares and Brian May gives a shit.[/QUOTE]
In Brian's defense - what has Page done in the last 15 years, other than remaster old Zeppelin recordings?
Brian has simply followed other interests. Music has pretty clearly become second bananas to his beloved furry critters, astronomy and stereo photography.
And with the exception of the Rainbow box set, it seems like the right people haven't been working for them. Hopefully that's just the start of a string of great things to come.
[/QUOTE]
Agreed about Brian having a 'full' but still very public life and profile outside music....and also worth pointing out that in that 15 years he has STILL managed two world tours plus a studio album with Paul Rodgers, a couple of studio albums, one off singles, and major tours with Kerry Ellis, major Wolrd touring with Adam Lambert, numerous guest appearances on stage and recordings around the world with a wide variety of artists, written, recorded and released film soundtracks, carried on fairly 'hands on' with the WWRY musical, recorded and released the three new tracks on 'Forever', released several books including a music related one of the 'Red Special'... and probably more besides that I've not listed.
Put like that it does make Jimmy Page seems rather Sloth-like!![/QUOTE]
Out of all of that, only Let me In Your Heart Again is worth listening to more than once. I wonder how many people listen over and over to Queen live in Kiev, The Cosmos Rocks or Born Free?
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]sexmachine wrote:[/b]
Since a couple of years i am a regular visitor to London record fairs. A lot of dealers told me that Jimmy Page is a going to every record fair to search for old mint condition Led Zel bootlegs for his new reissues. I have seen pictures pictures as proofs. The reason why Led Zep bonus stuff is superior to Queen is that Jimmy Page cares and Brian May gives a shit.[/QUOTE]
In Brian's defense - what has Page done in the last 15 years, other than remaster old Zeppelin recordings?
Brian has simply followed other interests. Music has pretty clearly become second bananas to his beloved furry critters, astronomy and stereo photography.
And with the exception of the Rainbow box set, it seems like the right people haven't been working for them. Hopefully that's just the start of a string of great things to come.
[/QUOTE]
Agreed about Brian having a 'full' but still very public life and profile outside music....and also worth pointing out that in that 15 years he has STILL managed two world tours plus a studio album with Paul Rodgers, a couple of studio albums, one off singles, and major tours with Kerry Ellis, major Wolrd touring with Adam Lambert, numerous guest appearances on stage and recordings around the world with a wide variety of artists, written, recorded and released film soundtracks, carried on fairly 'hands on' with the WWRY musical, recorded and released the three new tracks on 'Forever', released several books including a music related one of the 'Red Special'... and probably more besides that I've not listed.
Put like that it does make Jimmy Page seems rather Sloth-like!![/QUOTE]
Out of all of that, only Let me In Your Heart Again is worth listening to more than once. I wonder how many people listen over and over to Queen live in Kiev, The Cosmos Rocks or Born Free?
mooghead
Never listened to any of them ;-)
Chief Mouse
[QUOTE] [b]mooghead wrote:[/b]
Never listened to any of them ;-)[/QUOTE]
Want a cookie? ;)
Never listened to any of them ;-)[/QUOTE]
Want a cookie? ;)
Day dop
This is from brian may's site.
"PRESS RELEASE: UNIVERSAL MUSIC AND CLARITY PRESENTS AN EXCLUSIVE PREVIEW OF “QUEEN: THE STUDIO COLLECTION” AT THE NATIONAL AUDIO SHOW
Hear the 180gm vinyl box set on a studio quality hi-fi system before it is released.
Queen fans can get exclusive pre-sale tickets for the National Audio Show unveiling of “Queen: The Studio Collection”, available for a limited period only from 09:00 on Tuesday 25th August until 24:00 on Friday 28th August, after which they will go on general sale.
Tickets can be booked at www.showclix.com/event/nas15-queen-members-presale
Clarity, the hi-fi industry trade association, in conjunction with Queen and Universal Music is very pleased to announce the presentation of "Queen: The Studio Collection” box set at the UK’s National Audio Show on 19th and 20th Sept 2015 – a full week before the box set goes on sale and Fan Club members can get exclusive pre-sale tickets to the show.
The top-flight hi-fi system assembled for the event, includes the same £45,000 studio monitor loudspeakers used by Miles Showell at Abbey Road during the vinyl mastering process, to present a fantastic opportunity for fans to hear the albums sounding the best they possibly can. Using these ultra-high resolution speakers provides the capability to show off the audio quality of the box set with incredible detail and will help create a feeling of actually being at the recording itself, reproducing the energy and atmosphere that was felt when Freddie, Brian, Roger and John put the tracks together.
Five years in the making "Queen: The Studio Collection” brings together the complete collection of 15 studio albums, re-mastered by the legendary Bob Ludwig and mastered for half speed vinyl cutting by Miles Showell at Abbey Road. Encased in a beautifully crafted box and complete with a lavishly illustrated 108-page book featuring material from Queen’s archive and the personal archives of Brian May and Roger Taylor, these classic albums are presented in the highest possible audio quality for die-hard fans and audiophiles alike.
The National Audio Show gives audiophiles and music lovers the chance to hear the world's best hi-fi in one location. Learn about the latest technology, including how to stream music around the home, how to turn a computer into a high-end audio source and experience the very best that the vinyl resurgence has to offer."
"PRESS RELEASE: UNIVERSAL MUSIC AND CLARITY PRESENTS AN EXCLUSIVE PREVIEW OF “QUEEN: THE STUDIO COLLECTION” AT THE NATIONAL AUDIO SHOW
Hear the 180gm vinyl box set on a studio quality hi-fi system before it is released.
Queen fans can get exclusive pre-sale tickets for the National Audio Show unveiling of “Queen: The Studio Collection”, available for a limited period only from 09:00 on Tuesday 25th August until 24:00 on Friday 28th August, after which they will go on general sale.
Tickets can be booked at www.showclix.com/event/nas15-queen-members-presale
Clarity, the hi-fi industry trade association, in conjunction with Queen and Universal Music is very pleased to announce the presentation of "Queen: The Studio Collection” box set at the UK’s National Audio Show on 19th and 20th Sept 2015 – a full week before the box set goes on sale and Fan Club members can get exclusive pre-sale tickets to the show.
The top-flight hi-fi system assembled for the event, includes the same £45,000 studio monitor loudspeakers used by Miles Showell at Abbey Road during the vinyl mastering process, to present a fantastic opportunity for fans to hear the albums sounding the best they possibly can. Using these ultra-high resolution speakers provides the capability to show off the audio quality of the box set with incredible detail and will help create a feeling of actually being at the recording itself, reproducing the energy and atmosphere that was felt when Freddie, Brian, Roger and John put the tracks together.
Five years in the making "Queen: The Studio Collection” brings together the complete collection of 15 studio albums, re-mastered by the legendary Bob Ludwig and mastered for half speed vinyl cutting by Miles Showell at Abbey Road. Encased in a beautifully crafted box and complete with a lavishly illustrated 108-page book featuring material from Queen’s archive and the personal archives of Brian May and Roger Taylor, these classic albums are presented in the highest possible audio quality for die-hard fans and audiophiles alike.
The National Audio Show gives audiophiles and music lovers the chance to hear the world's best hi-fi in one location. Learn about the latest technology, including how to stream music around the home, how to turn a computer into a high-end audio source and experience the very best that the vinyl resurgence has to offer."
Day dop
I don't know about die-hard fans (in general), but audiophiles were generally of the opinion that the 2011 remasters weren't too great (again, apart from Queen II).
Biggus Dickus
[QUOTE] [b]Day dop wrote:[/b]
I don't know about die-hard fans (in general), but audiophiles were generally of the opinion that the 2011 remasters weren't too great (again, apart from Queen II).[/QUOTE]
They probably think that the "top-flight" hi-fi system negates all the compression on the vinyls. If they indeed are the same as the 2011 remasters.
I don't know about die-hard fans (in general), but audiophiles were generally of the opinion that the 2011 remasters weren't too great (again, apart from Queen II).[/QUOTE]
They probably think that the "top-flight" hi-fi system negates all the compression on the vinyls. If they indeed are the same as the 2011 remasters.
cmsdrums
[QUOTE] [b]Biggus Dickus wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Day dop wrote:[/b]
I don't know about die-hard fans (in general), but audiophiles were generally of the opinion that the 2011 remasters weren't too great (again, apart from Queen II).[/QUOTE]
They probably think that the "top-flight" hi-fi system negates all the compression on the vinyls. If they indeed are the same as the 2011 remasters.[/QUOTE]
I'd also much rather they spent the money getting the audio right, rather than a pointless brag about how much the speakers cost that they listened to their over-compressed tracks on!!
[QUOTE] [b]Day dop wrote:[/b]
I don't know about die-hard fans (in general), but audiophiles were generally of the opinion that the 2011 remasters weren't too great (again, apart from Queen II).[/QUOTE]
They probably think that the "top-flight" hi-fi system negates all the compression on the vinyls. If they indeed are the same as the 2011 remasters.[/QUOTE]
I'd also much rather they spent the money getting the audio right, rather than a pointless brag about how much the speakers cost that they listened to their over-compressed tracks on!!
pittrek
[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]cmsdrums wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]sexmachine wrote:[/b]
Since a couple of years i am a regular visitor to London record fairs. A lot of dealers told me that Jimmy Page is a going to every record fair to search for old mint condition Led Zel bootlegs for his new reissues. I have seen pictures pictures as proofs. The reason why Led Zep bonus stuff is superior to Queen is that Jimmy Page cares and Brian May gives a shit.[/QUOTE]
In Brian's defense - what has Page done in the last 15 years, other than remaster old Zeppelin recordings?
Brian has simply followed other interests. Music has pretty clearly become second bananas to his beloved furry critters, astronomy and stereo photography.
And with the exception of the Rainbow box set, it seems like the right people haven't been working for them. Hopefully that's just the start of a string of great things to come.
[/QUOTE]
Agreed about Brian having a 'full' but still very public life and profile outside music....and also worth pointing out that in that 15 years he has STILL managed two world tours plus a studio album with Paul Rodgers, a couple of studio albums, one off singles, and major tours with Kerry Ellis, major Wolrd touring with Adam Lambert, numerous guest appearances on stage and recordings around the world with a wide variety of artists, written, recorded and released film soundtracks, carried on fairly 'hands on' with the WWRY musical, recorded and released the three new tracks on 'Forever', released several books including a music related one of the 'Red Special'... and probably more besides that I've not listed.
Put like that it does make Jimmy Page seems rather Sloth-like!![/QUOTE]
Out of all of that, only Let me In Your Heart Again is worth listening to more than once. I wonder how many people listen over and over to Queen live in Kiev, The Cosmos Rocks or Born Free?[/QUOTE]
I heard LMIYHA maybe twice, I have never watched or listened to Born Free or Kiev, but I listed pretty often to The Cosmos Rocks and I liked it.
[QUOTE] [b]cmsdrums wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]sexmachine wrote:[/b]
Since a couple of years i am a regular visitor to London record fairs. A lot of dealers told me that Jimmy Page is a going to every record fair to search for old mint condition Led Zel bootlegs for his new reissues. I have seen pictures pictures as proofs. The reason why Led Zep bonus stuff is superior to Queen is that Jimmy Page cares and Brian May gives a shit.[/QUOTE]
In Brian's defense - what has Page done in the last 15 years, other than remaster old Zeppelin recordings?
Brian has simply followed other interests. Music has pretty clearly become second bananas to his beloved furry critters, astronomy and stereo photography.
And with the exception of the Rainbow box set, it seems like the right people haven't been working for them. Hopefully that's just the start of a string of great things to come.
[/QUOTE]
Agreed about Brian having a 'full' but still very public life and profile outside music....and also worth pointing out that in that 15 years he has STILL managed two world tours plus a studio album with Paul Rodgers, a couple of studio albums, one off singles, and major tours with Kerry Ellis, major Wolrd touring with Adam Lambert, numerous guest appearances on stage and recordings around the world with a wide variety of artists, written, recorded and released film soundtracks, carried on fairly 'hands on' with the WWRY musical, recorded and released the three new tracks on 'Forever', released several books including a music related one of the 'Red Special'... and probably more besides that I've not listed.
Put like that it does make Jimmy Page seems rather Sloth-like!![/QUOTE]
Out of all of that, only Let me In Your Heart Again is worth listening to more than once. I wonder how many people listen over and over to Queen live in Kiev, The Cosmos Rocks or Born Free?[/QUOTE]
I heard LMIYHA maybe twice, I have never watched or listened to Born Free or Kiev, but I listed pretty often to The Cosmos Rocks and I liked it.
Day dop
[QUOTE] [b]Biggus Dickus wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Day dop wrote:[/b]
I don't know about die-hard fans (in general), but audiophiles were generally of the opinion that the 2011 remasters weren't too great (again, apart from Queen II).[/QUOTE]
They probably think that the "top-flight" hi-fi system negates all the compression on the vinyls. If they indeed are the same as the 2011 remasters.[/QUOTE]
A decent system doesn't negate the compression on vinyl or cd, and I've never known of any that think otherwise.
[QUOTE] [b]Day dop wrote:[/b]
I don't know about die-hard fans (in general), but audiophiles were generally of the opinion that the 2011 remasters weren't too great (again, apart from Queen II).[/QUOTE]
They probably think that the "top-flight" hi-fi system negates all the compression on the vinyls. If they indeed are the same as the 2011 remasters.[/QUOTE]
A decent system doesn't negate the compression on vinyl or cd, and I've never known of any that think otherwise.
Day dop
[QUOTE] [b]cmsdrums wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Biggus Dickus wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Day dop wrote:[/b]
I don't know about die-hard fans (in general), but audiophiles were generally of the opinion that the 2011 remasters weren't too great (again, apart from Queen II).[/QUOTE]
They probably think that the "top-flight" hi-fi system negates all the compression on the vinyls. If they indeed are the same as the 2011 remasters.[/QUOTE]
I'd also much rather they spent the money getting the audio right, rather than a pointless brag about how much the speakers cost that they listened to their over-compressed tracks on!![/QUOTE]
Getting audio right is what an audiophile aims for. I rarely ever see brags about how much the speakers are that they own, and for the ones that do, that's just twerpish. Expense doesn't necessarily equate quality anyway. You can throw a ton of money at a pair of speakers and they'll sound worse than an inexpensive pair - much of which will be down to room acoustics / speaker size in the room they're in / the amp driving them. You can also pick up second hand ones that sound better than new ones as you're getting more bang for your buck. Spending a lot of money on a pair of speakers shouldn't be the deciding factor at all. Sometimes that can be the worst thing to do.
Over compressed tracks/poor remasters aren't exclusive for those who get decent gear either either - they're available for everyone, and you don't need a hi end system to be able to hear they're poor remasters.
You'll get gullible idiots fork out a few thousand or more on speaker cables, hence there's a market for it, but then you get idiots in all walks of life.
[QUOTE] [b]Biggus Dickus wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Day dop wrote:[/b]
I don't know about die-hard fans (in general), but audiophiles were generally of the opinion that the 2011 remasters weren't too great (again, apart from Queen II).[/QUOTE]
They probably think that the "top-flight" hi-fi system negates all the compression on the vinyls. If they indeed are the same as the 2011 remasters.[/QUOTE]
I'd also much rather they spent the money getting the audio right, rather than a pointless brag about how much the speakers cost that they listened to their over-compressed tracks on!![/QUOTE]
Getting audio right is what an audiophile aims for. I rarely ever see brags about how much the speakers are that they own, and for the ones that do, that's just twerpish. Expense doesn't necessarily equate quality anyway. You can throw a ton of money at a pair of speakers and they'll sound worse than an inexpensive pair - much of which will be down to room acoustics / speaker size in the room they're in / the amp driving them. You can also pick up second hand ones that sound better than new ones as you're getting more bang for your buck. Spending a lot of money on a pair of speakers shouldn't be the deciding factor at all. Sometimes that can be the worst thing to do.
Over compressed tracks/poor remasters aren't exclusive for those who get decent gear either either - they're available for everyone, and you don't need a hi end system to be able to hear they're poor remasters.
You'll get gullible idiots fork out a few thousand or more on speaker cables, hence there's a market for it, but then you get idiots in all walks of life.
AlbaNo1
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]matt z wrote:[/b]
The sad thing about it is. .... that every guy (like me) that didn'tbuy into em, gives further credence to the notion that nobody wants to hear their extras.
Which only begs the reasoning all around again. .. nobody bought them all over again BECAUSE of the omissions.
Chicken and the egg. [/QUOTE]
You may have a point.
Even with the tidbits that did come out, there was very little discussion of them.
Here were the new studio pieces:
Seven Seas Of Rhye - whole new ending
Feelings Feelings - different take from the one that leaked about 10 years ago
Don't Stop Me Now - guitar version
Dreamers Ball - early take
Sail Away Sweet Sister - take 1 (amazing listen - you can pinpoint the moment Brian listened back and realized he found the melody for the verse)
It's A Beautiful Day - original
Football Fight - piano version (this eats the studio version for breakfast)
The Kiss - early take
A Kind of Vision - early take
The Invisible Man - Roger guide vocal
Headlong - Brian guide vocal
Ride The Wild Wind - Roger guide vocal
This amounted to about a half hour of new music. And nothing from SHA/Opera/Races, which to me is criminal.
I guess this just hits home after hearing all the wonderful things on the Zeppelin reissues.
[/QUOTE]
Totally agree with the above list for Queen highlights.
However I've listened to the extras on Houses of the Holy and Physical Grafitti and sorry, not that bowled over. Mostly not that different to the final versions and nothing in truly embryonic stage. I do think once the dust settles people will realise there's only one or two out of seven on each album that add any value. Certainly no chance of alternative lead vocalist..
[QUOTE] [b]matt z wrote:[/b]
The sad thing about it is. .... that every guy (like me) that didn'tbuy into em, gives further credence to the notion that nobody wants to hear their extras.
Which only begs the reasoning all around again. .. nobody bought them all over again BECAUSE of the omissions.
Chicken and the egg. [/QUOTE]
You may have a point.
Even with the tidbits that did come out, there was very little discussion of them.
Here were the new studio pieces:
Seven Seas Of Rhye - whole new ending
Feelings Feelings - different take from the one that leaked about 10 years ago
Don't Stop Me Now - guitar version
Dreamers Ball - early take
Sail Away Sweet Sister - take 1 (amazing listen - you can pinpoint the moment Brian listened back and realized he found the melody for the verse)
It's A Beautiful Day - original
Football Fight - piano version (this eats the studio version for breakfast)
The Kiss - early take
A Kind of Vision - early take
The Invisible Man - Roger guide vocal
Headlong - Brian guide vocal
Ride The Wild Wind - Roger guide vocal
This amounted to about a half hour of new music. And nothing from SHA/Opera/Races, which to me is criminal.
I guess this just hits home after hearing all the wonderful things on the Zeppelin reissues.
[/QUOTE]
Totally agree with the above list for Queen highlights.
However I've listened to the extras on Houses of the Holy and Physical Grafitti and sorry, not that bowled over. Mostly not that different to the final versions and nothing in truly embryonic stage. I do think once the dust settles people will realise there's only one or two out of seven on each album that add any value. Certainly no chance of alternative lead vocalist..