^^ that's subjective. you may not be bowled over - others may be. the point is - a lot more time and effort went into the Zep reissues. the queen "deluxes" were rushed to get some "new product" out for the record company - and it shows.
Page has spent a long time listening and compiling this stuff - pity QPL didn't spend half that time on a similar project
Vocal harmony · Member since
^^^ absolutely agree. And that, in a nutshell is the problem with the Queen product and the reason why the Zeppelin re masters are so good.
As regards the vinyl playback event. The fact they are making such a big thing about the quality and expense of the speaker system I don't think is actually about needing good expensive equipment to listen to vinyl.
They've made the point of saying it's the same system they were mastered on. So why not use any other high end audio system. Could it be that this is yet another project that's falling short and actually only sound good when played back through the speakers it was mastered on. I'm guessing the event will be open to the press and it will be at this event that the product will be reviewed from.
I'm guessing when you've parted with your hard earned cash and taken the box home it won't sound anywhere near as good As the official playback or that different to the 2011 CD's
Vocal harmony · Member since
^^^ absolutely agree. And that, in a nutshell is the problem with the Queen product and the reason why the Zeppelin re masters are so good.
As regards the vinyl playback event. The fact they are making such a big thing about the quality and expense of the speaker system I don't think is actually about needing good expensive equipment to listen to vinyl.
They've made the point of saying it's the same system they were mastered on. So why not use any other high end audio system. Could it be that this is yet another project that's falling short and actually only sound good when played back through the speakers it was mastered on. I'm guessing the event will be open to the press and it will be at this event that the product will be reviewed from.
I'm guessing when you've parted with your hard earned cash and taken the box home it won't sound anywhere near as good As the official playback or that different to the 2011 CD's
AlbaNo1 · Member since
See below Amazon reviews. General consensus. Masters are generally great. Bonus material not so much.
K.B. says:
I was about to write the exact same thing, but John Doe got to it before me. These alternate versions offer nothing more than very minor differences from the original, and in the case of Stairway to Heaven, pratically no difference. The way Page described these re-releases were as if he had something that would really knock our socks off, and so far none of it has been really impressive. I was hoping for more unreleased music, early demos of songs (for example an acoustic take on an electric song, or vice-versa, if they even exist), and definitely more live material. Zeppelin were at their peak live during this era.
DLR says:
Agree 100%. I also had to check my two CDs, as I wanted to hear the different versions of the songs! So if you want to save cash, buy the single cd version.
James L. Dickinson says:
What I want to know if they are actual different takes? Not a different mix of the released song. And to have the same songs minus the vocals is just plain stupid IMHO. If the remaster is really good then I may just get the single disc on IV and leave it at that. I only have gotten Led Zep I due to the live disc. It seems all of the others have similar "alt" takes on disc 2.
Day dop · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]AlbaNo1 wrote:[/b]
See below Amazon reviews. General consensus. Masters are generally great. Bonus material not so much.
K.B. says: I was about to write the exact same thing, but John Doe got to it before me. These alternate versions offer nothing more than very minor differences from the original, and in the case of Stairway to Heaven, pratically no difference. The way Page described these re-releases were as if he had something that would really knock our socks off, and so far none of it has been really impressive. I was hoping for more unreleased music, early demos of songs (for example an acoustic take on an electric song, or vice-versa, if they even exist), and definitely more live material. Zeppelin were at their peak live during this era.
DLR says: Agree 100%. I also had to check my two CDs, as I wanted to hear the different versions of the songs! So if you want to save cash, buy the single cd version.
James L. Dickinson says: What I want to know if they are actual different takes? Not a different mix of the released song. And to have the same songs minus the vocals is just plain stupid IMHO. If the remaster is really good then I may just get the single disc on IV and leave it at that. I only have gotten Led Zep I due to the live disc. It seems all of the others have similar "alt" takes on disc 2.
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Your average Joe public on Amazon would probably think it's better just because it's a new remaster.
To give you an idea of just how poor the dynamics are on the 2011 remasters (admittedly, one aspect of remastering only), see the Dynamic Range Database:
About the loudness wars: [url=http://dynamicrangeday.co.uk/about]http://dynamicrangeday.co.uk/about[/url]/
Vocal harmony · Member since
Alphabetical listing doesn't seem to have reached this far as a concept!
These lists seem to prove that downloads, for the most part are rubbish. And some remastered CD's are not very good either. Which I think most of us already knew!
What I find interesting is that Musicians and producers and even managers seem incapable of spotting how bad these supposed better releases really are and seem unable to fix the problem before unleashing these money making packages on the music buying public.
More and more it seems the real ears and true understanding of what actually sounds good is in the domain of those who buy and listen rather than those who produce and rake in the money.
AlbaNo1 · Member since
Led Zep seem to have done good remasters,the fans know about the loudness war etc. My points concern bonus material, which does not seem to be much more imaginative than Queen's
Day dop · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]AlbaNo1 wrote:[/b]
Led Zep seem to have done good remasters,the fans know about the loudness war etc. My points concern bonus material, which does not seem to be much more imaginative than Queen's[/QUOTE]
What you said didn't concern the bonus material only. You said "General consensus. Masters are generally great."
If general consensus is that they're great then they don't know about loudness wars. It's just folks lapping up remasters going with the misguided notion they're better than what they've previously had. Generally, the Queen remasters aren't great.
The Zeppelin remasters are widely praised, first and foremost because they're excellent remasters. The bonus material, although a nice hook for the fans, comes second to the remastering. Personally I bought the standard remasters of LZ I & II. The bonus material / deluxe jobbies didn't interest me, I'm not[i] that much[/i] of a LZ fan. The Beatles remasters didn't come with any bonus material whatsoever, but they were, and still are widely praised Here, There and Everywhere (see what I did there?), because, again, they're superb remasters.
Queen moved over to another label. The albums had to be reissued. The deluxe versions with bonus material were clearly just a way to milk extra money out of fans - hardly any thought put into the bonus material at all. Queen Productions are fairly shameless when it comes to milking fans. Why do they need imagination when fans are willing to throw money at sub-par products and blatant rip offs? There'd be enough examples, be it Queen Forever (hey, buy the entire album for just one "new" number, and two reworkings, one exceptionally dire) or an Innuendo deckchair for 134 quid. "Sorry Sold Out". [url=http://www.queenonlinestore.com/Queen/Queen-Archive-Edition]http://www.queenonlinestore.com/Queen/Queen-Archive-Edition[/url]/ The only decent things they've put out in a long time is the Days Of Our Lives doc and Live at the Rainbow. I'd say the only thing fans can look forward to is hopefully, more decent live products. As for an anthology, I can't see it somehow.
Oh, speaking of prices, that reminds me folks.,, Queen online are selling new LPs for £19.99. If you're gonna buy them, get them cheaper from elsewhere. From here, £14.99: [url=http://www.whatrecords.co.uk/search.asp?artist=queen&title=&format=&catalogue=&submit.x=93&submit.y=5]http://www.whatrecords.co.uk/search.asp?artist=queen&title=&format=&catalogue=&submit.x=93&submit.y=5[/url]
brians wig · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]AlbaNo1 wrote:[/b]
See below Amazon reviews. General consensus. Masters are generally great. Bonus material not so much.
K.B. says:
I was about to write the exact same thing, but John Doe got to it before me. These alternate versions offer nothing more than very minor differences from the original, and in the case of Stairway to Heaven, pratically no difference. The way Page described these re-releases were as if he had something that would really knock our socks off, and so far none of it has been really impressive. I was hoping for more unreleased music, early demos of songs (for example an acoustic take on an electric song, or vice-versa, if they even exist), and definitely more live material. Zeppelin were at their peak live during this era.
DLR says:
Agree 100%. I also had to check my two CDs, as I wanted to hear the different versions of the songs! So if you want to save cash, buy the single cd version.
James L. Dickinson says:
What I want to know if they are actual different takes? Not a different mix of the released song. And to have the same songs minus the vocals is just plain stupid IMHO. If the remaster is really good then I may just get the single disc on IV and leave it at that. I only have gotten Led Zep I due to the live disc. It seems all of the others have similar "alt" takes on disc 2.
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The problem is that Page said there was so much bootleg material out there that he wanted to present the fans with something unheard, but yes, there's not a lot of difference I can tell between the different versions.
It IS a shame that he didn't release mint quality versions of the stuff that appears on the 18 disc "Studio Magik" bootleg - most of that is shocking quality but does contain different versions.
brians wig · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Day dop wrote:[/b]
Oh, speaking of prices, that reminds me folks.,,
Queen online are selling new LPs for £19.99. If you're gonna buy them, get them cheaper from elsewhere.
From here, £14.99: [url=http://www.whatrecords.co.uk/search.asp?artist=queen&title=&format=&catalogue=&submit.x=93&submit.y=5]http://www.whatrecords.co.uk/search.asp?artist=queen&title=&format=&catalogue=&submit.x=93&submit.y=5[/url][/QUOTE]
You think THAT's bad????
Amazon.co.uk STILL haven't sorted their prices out yet (what is it with Amazon UK? They were the last Amazon site to reduce their prices for "Forever" and "Rainbow" as well....)
Led Zep seem to have done good remasters,the fans know about the loudness war etc. My points concern bonus material, which does not seem to be much more imaginative than Queen's[/QUOTE]
What you said didn't concern the bonus material only. You said "General consensus. Masters are generallcy great."
My first post , prior page, was related to bonus material. Im not volunteering a view on quality of remasters other than noting there is a positive consensus amongst those who have got them. My point is that queens bonus material has fans grumbling while zep do no wrong according to posters here. But the reality is the bonus material isnt all that. God this is tiring. Last post.
Day dop · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]AlbaNo1 wrote:[/b]
My first post , prior page, was related to bonus material. Im not volunteering a view on quality of remasters other than noting there is a positive consensus amongst those who have got them. My point is that queens bonus material has fans grumbling while zep do no wrong according to posters here. But the reality is the bonus material isnt all that. God this is tiring. Last post.
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^ It's like a heavy dose of deja vu.
I'm glad you decided to stop.
Day dop · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]brians wig wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Day dop wrote:[/b]
Oh, speaking of prices, that reminds me folks.,,
Queen online are selling new LPs for £19.99. If you're gonna buy them, get them cheaper from elsewhere.
From here, £14.99: [url=http://www.whatrecords.co.uk/search.asp?artist=queen&title=&format=&catalogue=&submit.x=93&submit.y=5]http://www.whatrecords.co.uk/search.asp?artist=queen&title=&format=&catalogue=&submit.x=93&submit.y=5[/url][/QUOTE]
You think THAT's bad????
Amazon.co.uk STILL haven't sorted their prices out yet (what is it with Amazon UK? They were the last Amazon site to reduce their prices for "Forever" and "Rainbow" as well....)
[QUOTE] [b]AlbaNo1 wrote:[/b]
My first post , prior page, was related to bonus material. Im not volunteering a view on quality of remasters other than noting there is a positive consensus amongst those who have got them. My point is that queens bonus material has fans grumbling while zep do no wrong according to posters here. But the reality is the bonus material isnt all that. God this is tiring. Last post.
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^ It's like a heavy dose of deja vu.
I'm glad you decided to stop.[/QUOTE]
Im going to listen to Delilah eight times in a row to get over this topic
