Live in Buenos Aires 1981 [Chief Mouse 2016 Edition]

Nope. To fix that beta tape will take me time. Otherwise I suspect it`s a Betamax not a Betacam, so i should get a betamax player. Anyway as ChiefMouse said: the quality of my tapes are not much better than the know one.

Maybe i could share it someday in near future, but only for completist who want to have all the versions.

Sue: I sent a PM to DJGreg but i have not response from him. If he could do a job like he did with Houston, I could share an audio rip.

Merqry, I've sent you a PM.

[QUOTE] [b]MERQRY wrote:[/b]

Nope. To fix that beta tape will take me time. Otherwise I suspect it`s a Betamax not a Betacam, so i should get a betamax player. Anyway as ChiefMouse said: the quality of my tapes are not much better than the know one.

Maybe i could share it someday in near future, but only for completist who want to have all the versions.

Sue: I sent a PM to DJGreg but i have not response from him. If he could do a job like he did with Houston, I could share an audio rip.
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Don't remember ChiefMouse explicitly said the tapes are not much better. It's only you repeating this. Anyway, all the other reviews range from pretty good to excellent.
I believe the discussion about betamax or betacam or compression or denoising algorithms has reached an end and we are returning to the starting point: the question if you will ever share something, beside the mkv info.

As for the requested audio track, you already said a 24/48 FLAC is prepared. What "job like he did with Huston" are you waiting from DJGreg? So now all depends on DJGreg, he is the man responsible.

MERQRY, I hope you also share your original version. Personally, I don't like that reverb DJGreg and I want to see if I can do something to it.

[QUOTE] [b]MERQRY wrote:[/b]
To fix that beta tape will take me time. Otherwise I suspect it`s a Betamax not a Betacam, so i should get a betamax player.
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I already said it is very unlikely a betamax tape would be found in a TV station's archives.

[QUOTE] [b]aristide1 wrote:[/b]

What "job like he did with Huston" are you waiting from DJGreg? [/QUOTE]

This:

http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1446142/live-in-houston-1977-2015-edition.aspx

And it's excellent. Probably the best unreleased Queen show now, second perhaps only to Boston 76.

[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]aristide1 wrote:[/b]

What "job like he did with Huston" are you waiting from DJGreg? [/QUOTE]

This:

http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1446142/live-in-houston-1977-2015-edition.aspx

And it's excellent. Probably the best unreleased Queen show now, second perhaps only to Boston 76.
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Denoise - reverb - compress is the perfect recipe to ruin any recording, even a studio one. Fake stereo is like colouring b&w movies, unfortunately once lost the information can not be retrieved.
I admit that 1 min of processed audio may sound brighter than original. But after one hour your brain and ears are fucked up. Kurgan's "comfy chair" becomes a torture chair.
Although Sue and others genuinely believes "every unofficial soundboard recording needs reverb effect", most people who have some idea of audio restoration don't. See Beta215 above.

But not DJGreg is the issue. I like MERQRY has a positive mood, i mean he is is not ready to snap like others in the same position, and break any contact with the ungrateful mob.
Instead he is trying to convince the mob about the importance of perfect conditions for an event to occur, planets alignment or something like that.

[QUOTE] [b]aristide1 wrote:[/b]

Denoise - reverb - compress is the perfect recipe to ruin any recording, even a studio one. Fake stereo is like colouring b&w movies, unfortunately once lost the information can not be retrieved.
I admit that 1 min of processed audio may sound brighter than original. But after one hour your brain and ears are fucked up. Kurgan's "comfy chair" becomes a torture chair.
Although Sue and others genuinely believes "every unofficial soundboard recording needs reverb effect", most people who have some idea of audio restoration don't.
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Yeah, I see what you're saying.

To my ears this worked well for the Houston show, but of course that doesn't mean it'll work for any of the others.

Since you're so knowledgeable of this stuff, why are you just an armchair critic? Why aren't you actually contributing something of value to this place instead of complaining 9 out of 10 posts?

I never said anything of the sort, way to put words in my mouth. >:( I made a rule of not replying to you anymore but I can't let that slide. I've never thought that every soundboard needs reverb. I would never add reverb to things like Sao Paulo '81 or Mannheim '86, or recordings like the video soundtracks of the Paris or Tokyo '79 footage. That's completely inane and would ruin the sound. Reverb isn't some golden ticket to a good listening experience.

Time and time again you go in other people's threads shitting on their uploads and time and time again we ask if you can provide something better and every time you never do and you never prove us wrong. Haven't you ever heard the phrase, "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything."? I think not. Do yourself and everyone else a favor and learn how to be nice, or at least quieter.

aristide1 - it might ruin some recordings, but it sure helped with Houston. You're much too categorical, have you even listened to his version?

The Houston audio is mono, thin, very harsh to the ear, and extremely dry. DJGreg added stereo reverb to the recording, which not only helps to reduce the dryness, but also gives a very subtle stereo field without using traditional fake stereo effects such as micro delays that tend to sound very unnatural.

To help with the thinness and harshness he did a tasteful job with equalisation - which brought out the bass drum and bass well and reduced the ear piercing high mids - and compression, which made the sound slightly fatter and brought down those unpleasantly shrill sound level peaks.

Note that he didn't overdo any of this, which would have lead to a muddy and reverb-y loudness war. He did it with finesse, which seems to be the point you're missing.

[QUOTE] [b]Oscar J wrote:[/b]

aristide1 - it might ruin some recordings, but it sure helped with Houston. You're much too categorical, have you even listened to his version?

The Houston audio is mono, thin, very harsh to the ear, and extremely dry. DJGreg added stereo reverb to the recording, which not only helps to reduce the dryness, but also gives a very subtle stereo field without using traditional fake stereo effects such as micro delays that tend to sound very unnatural.

To help with the thinness and harshness he did a tasteful job with equalisation - which brought out the bass drum and bass well and reduced the ear piercing high mids - and compression, which made the sound slightly fatter and brought down those unpleasantly shrill sound level peaks.

Note that he didn't overdo any of this, which would have lead to a muddy and reverb-y loudness war. He did it with finesse, which seems to be the point you're missing. [/QUOTE]
Appreciate your review. It's always better to hear some articulate thoughts rather than "audio: A++" (am i quoting you correctly Sue?).
I've listened not only to this version but also to other opinions. Someone who usually knows what is saying mentioned unnecessary denoising and denoising artifacts. Someone who knows to process audio said didn't like the reverb. For sure, we are not marching through the realm of good taste and finesse, as you say. But that's not measurable, so i'm not "categorical" about it.
What triggered the subject was the picture of Merqry at the bar, ordering a DJGreg on the ice, to get courage for share. Or before hitting the road.

Sure, each to his own. While I'd like to think I have an ear for these things, I am by no means a professional and I'm sure real audio pros would spot things like denoising artifacts and bad reverb plugs much better than I can. But then the real purists are probably completely against any digital processing of their favourite bootlegs anyway.

For anyone that is interested, you can check out my channel for the whole concert plus some extras! :)

[url=https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHCF7sLluO6Ege9Rhq1_i6Gm-1lvDf5vx]https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHCF7sLluO6Ege9Rhq1_i6Gm-1lvDf5vx[/url]

Enjoy!! :P

-Chin

[QUOTE] [b]Oscar J wrote:[/b]

I'm sure real audio pros would spot things like denoising artifacts
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Yup, that's me. I can hear it in all of the quieter moments.

That's why I'm disappointed that DJGreg has suddenly gone awol on us. It'd be nice to at least get some exact details on what he did, so that a similar version can be created without the hiss reduction.

If Somebody Has A Good Raw Video Queen Argentina concert...please shared ....the only source that i have is the dvd bootleg enconded by crime crow productions, i know that the raw vhs video is better than i have.