Brussels Zaventem airport and metro explosions 'kill at least 13'

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[QUOTE] [b]The Fairy King wrote:[/b]

To play innocent is kinda much though. I didn't say it was the only reason, but we have seen some fucked up things happen under the "war on terror" flag, don't you think the "west" kind of deserves some criticism? The problem isn't actually the Islam, it's that the west can't understand why the rest of the world might not want their version of "democracy", " freedom of speech" and "capitalism". It's hypocritical to say at least.

Also i think there are some weird forces at play here and i don't think the general public is aware they are being used. The fact that you didn't read my comment and just started throwing weird examples my way is very typical. Are you bombing China? the Koreans?(not yet), Japan? Oh wait you bombed Japan...then what happened? Why would Israel bomb America? They make too much money off of them.
The American Indians? They sure gave up their land without a fight...

....you see my point?

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It was not my point that west is beyond blame. And the west does face criticism and a whole lot of it, by westerners themselves. Try to criticism an Islamic govt in a similar manner and see where that takes you.

You should check history, and you'll know what the west did in each of those places that you call weird examples. My point was that they did not get fixated on ideologies (religious or otherwise) and focused on nation building. Not the American Indians, ofcourse, they don't have a nation to call their own anymore.

On the other hand, there are the Islamic countries, which don't seem to have the ability to look beyond the non-muslim = enemy = kill narrative.

What do you mean by "rest of the world"?

You think Islamic countries don't get aid (make money) off of the west?

You are a classic example of what some have started terming "white-guilt all over again".[/QUOTE]

Where did you get the idea i'm "white" and i feel " guilty"?
Don't act like you don't know what i mean. You gave a bunch of shitty examples and i clearly told u that shit won't fly. :D Talking out of your ass and then tell me to check history? C'mooooon.

Get your heads out of the sand and see the bigger picture please.

[QUOTE] [b]The Fairy King wrote:[/b]
Where did you get the idea i'm "white" and i feel " guilty"?
Don't act like you don't know what i mean. You gave a bunch of shitty examples and i clearly told u that shit won't fly. :D Talking out of your ass and then tell me to check history? C'mooooon.

Get your heads out of the sand and see the bigger picture please. [/QUOTE]

I assumed you are white, for a number of reasons,one of which is being a Queen fan :). For "white guilt" you don't have to know that you feel guilty, it is obvious from your views. Its in your subconscious mind.

You don't seem inclined to study this very serious issue of international Jihad, which has a number of dimensions, in any dept other than putting the blame squarely on Western actions (typical white guilt response).

No point discussing this with you any further, unless you provide solid counter-points as to why Islam is not the primary reason for the current situation.

The bigger picture?

"Nobody's been assassinated over Piss Christ. In fact, it might be instructive to compare the respective fates of Piss Christ and Charlie Hebdo in France."

[url=http://www.chicagoreader.com/Bleader/archives/2015/01/14/comparing-charlie-hebdo-to-piss-christ]http://www.chicagoreader.com/Bleader/archives/2015/01/14/comparing-charlie-hebdo-to-piss-christ [/url]

Were the Charlie Hebdo assassinations a reaction to mohammad cartoons being soaked in urine?

[QUOTE] [b]Panchgani wrote:[/b]

A Dutch coworker of mine who lives in Belgium (he is an international sales rep) told me (in February well before the suicide bombings) that the problem is 3rd generation Morraccans whose parents came to Belgium in the '40's for the mining industry. According to him, the Moraccans have disdain for the European culture and have no interest for assimilation. They harass and spit upon the indiginous Belgians, and of course the crime is horrendous.

In the US we are genrally lucky (aside from San Bernardino). The vast majority of Muslums are moderate and have assimilated into America.[/QUOTE]

Social assimilation can only do so much. All it takes is for an Imam to give the "right" kind of sermons to turn an assimilated man like this-
http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01742/CHOUD2_1742983a.jpg
and
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/01/05/article-1240318-03E17501000005DC-76_224x403.jpg

into this-

http://nsroundtable.org/files/1713/9362/1388/Islamist_preacher_Anjem_Choudary.jpg

and all the 20 years of assimilation disapperas fast, very fast.

[QUOTE] [b]YourValentine wrote:[/b]

Of course not all Muslim people act like that but there is a strong minority which also bullies liberal Muslims whenever possible.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s

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Btw, the video you posted is genuine and already a few years old. The school in question was closed. It was in Berlin in a quarter with mainly immigrant families. The video shows the problem in a nutshell: German kids are taught to solve their conflicts in a peaceful way why Middle East kids solve all problems with violence. There is no respect for German teachers because the kids learn at home that Germans are just "kuffars" and the teachers have no ways to sanction the behaviour because the only way they would understand would be the teacher hitting them which is - of course - not allowed. I have to admit that I feel anger when I watch this video. [/QUOTE]

I did not realize this was an old video! I somehow assumed it to be about the Syrian refugee influx.

Queen's fanbase isn't purely white, you tit. :') That statement alone just totally ruined your credibility.

If you had read my responses you wouldn't make such weird assumptions. Especially the "me blaming the West"part. I was saying i don't hear any word about the shit the West causes in the East in these kinds of threads. It's always the "other". Fucking grow up.

Don't give me the crap about Christians or Jews not doing anything wrong. That's bull and you know it. If you in fact had studied "the serious issue of international Jihad" you would know where this is coming from. If you had studied the bloody thing you would come with better arguments than that.

So, for the record:

-ISIS, IS, Daesh or whatever you call em these days is a product of Western negligence, backstabbing politics and total disregard of Middle Eastern lives with the fucking crimes they committed especially during the " war on terror". These guys have carte blanche. They think they have their God on their side. They got a way to alienate their brothers from the West, totally brainwash em because hey the West is evil, look at what they did the last 30 years. they fall for that crap. Why? Because in their heads it all makes sense. the same idiocy you see in the West when they look at the Islam. It's THEM against us. No it isn't.

White guilt isn't even applicable here, because when there's a conflict, it is actually healthy to look at yourselves and evaluate what you might have done wrong in the past what could have also caused this. Maybe white-realist is the word you're looking for?

Is it all the doing of the West? No, because within the Islam there's a problem as well. The interpretation of some verses, which can be regarded as totally fascist and hostile towards infadels, in the wrong hands can get dangerous. The Bible has some similar things going on, but hey...i guess there are no Christian nutbags out there? Do we hold Christianity responsible for the acts of (for example): Anders Breivik? The KKK? Anti-abortion violence? No we see them for what they are....nutbags. And that's how we should view IS.

Also what i said earlier. The trend of giving Muslims the stink eye, alienating them, discrimination, etc is counter-productive as well. This shit happens now, but isn't really new. To finally tackle these guys, you need the Muslims to form a front.

In the end, the most casualties aren't even "white". The most victims are actually on the Muslim side, blood on the hands of IS/Daesh, Assad, Israel, America and Russia. Again, not saying the West deserves it, but should realise it has a share in the blame, and should fucking unite people against these fucktards instead of creating more chasms.

[QUOTE] [b]The Fairy King wrote:[/b]

Queen's fanbase isn't purely white, you tit. :') That statement alone just totally ruined your credibility.

If you had read my responses you wouldn't make such weird assumptions. Especially the "me blaming the West"part. I was saying i don't hear any word about the shit the West causes in the East in these kinds of threads. It's always the "other". Fucking grow up.

Don't give me the crap about Christians or Jews not doing anything wrong. That's bull and you know it. If you in fact had studied "the serious issue of international Jihad" you would know where this is coming from. If you had studied the bloody thing you would come with better arguments than that.

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Even though it was a comment to be taken lightly (hence the smiley), I have read somewhere that the avreage Queen fan is white (probably I read that on this forum itself).

If your comments had just been about the shit the West causes, I would have kept quite. I only commented because you and some others came out in support of and exonerating Islam, just like the politicians in your (and my) countries whenever a terror attack happens. The same tired old arguments, compeletely brushig inconvinient facts under the carpet for political correctness. It is most incredile that people were offering opinions about the mis-interpretation of Qu'an when they did not even know what the Qur'an is all about.

At no point did I say the West is innocent (I did state the contrary a few times), but I also put forward my case that it is the cult of Islam tat is to be blamed primarily.

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So, for the record:

-ISIS, IS, Daesh or whatever you call em these days is a product of Western negligence, backstabbing politics and total disregard of Middle Eastern lives with the fucking crimes they committed especially during the " war on terror". These guys have carte blanche. They think they have their God on their side. They got a way to alienate their brothers from the West, totally brainwash em because hey the West is evil, look at what they did the last 30 years. they fall for that crap. Why? Because in their heads it all makes sense. the same idiocy you see in the West when they look at the Islam. It's THEM against us. No it isn't.

White guilt isn't even applicable here, because when there's a conflict, it is actually healthy to look at yourselves and evaluate what you might have done wrong in the past what could have also caused this. Maybe white-realist is the word you're looking for?

Is it all the doing of the West? No, because within the Islam there's a problem as well. The interpretation of some verses, which can be regarded as totally fascist and hostile towards infadels, in the wrong hands can get dangerous. The Bible has some similar things going on, but hey...i guess there are no Christian nutbags out there? Do we hold Christianity responsible for the acts of (for example): Anders Breivik? The KKK? Anti-abortion violence? No we see them for what they are....nutbags. And that's how we should view IS.

Also what i said earlier. The trend of giving Muslims the stink eye, alienating them, discrimination, etc is counter-productive as well. This shit happens now, but isn't really new. To finally tackle these guys, you need the Muslims to form a front.

In the end, the most casualties aren't even "white". The most victims are actually on the Muslim side, blood on the hands of IS/Daesh, Assad, Israel, America and Russia. Again, not saying the West deserves it, but should realise it has a share in the blame, and should fucking unite people against these fucktards instead of creating more chasms.

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Daesh are driven by the need to establish the Caliphate. That is their primary motivation. They don't want to defeat the West for the atrocities caused. They want to destroy the West and dominate the west and establish Islamic law. The fact that you chose not to mention this dispays your ignorance or your dishonesty.

The Bible today is not relevant in the same way as the Qur'an. No one is using the Biblical quotations to unleash terror, and as long as the multitude of Christian/Jewish communities have matured enough to not take the violent passages literally, the Bible will not be a problem. Still, anti-abortion folk, KKK etc are indeed called out as Bible-weilding Christian fundamentalists. But you can't be serious if you are comparign them with suicide bombers???


Islam, on the other hand, undergoes "purification" at regular intervals of time, where by any new interpretations are puned and the original literal meanings are reiterated, taking the mentality of the community back to Arabia of 7th Century. Any amount of modernization of a Muslim comes to nought, when he listens to the preacher at the mosque every Friday. Do you know that the Friday prayers in every Mosque in the world, to this day, includes the appeal to Allah to grant victory over the infidels?

If the extremist minded Muslims are a minorty, then the reform/modern minded Muslims are a micro-minority. And the way Muslims deal with new/modern ideas, these poor folk better keep quite or get lynched.