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The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]
Man, i know it must be hard for you to read this, but the arrangement is even worse than the Celine´s one :-)
Sorry to say that! She has a great voice indeed, but clearly she is singing a melody that does NOT belong in that arrangement.
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Yeah, I hear ya. I don't have blinkers on ;)
But I love her as a singer. She's Canada's answer to Kate Bush.
Man, i know it must be hard for you to read this, but the arrangement is even worse than the Celine´s one :-)
Sorry to say that! She has a great voice indeed, but clearly she is singing a melody that does NOT belong in that arrangement.
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Yeah, I hear ya. I don't have blinkers on ;)
But I love her as a singer. She's Canada's answer to Kate Bush.
Silken
I have just listened to it and I swear I'll never do it again.
WTF ARE THOSE ARRANGEMENTS???
WTF ARE THOSE ARRANGEMENTS???
Sebastian
Now I want to hear it ... just out of morbid curiosity.
Watch this space.
Edit: I actually liked the arrangement. I applaud the fact they dared removing the best-known aspects from the original recording (the ostinato synth and so on) and coming up with something creative and quite interesting, instrumentally speaking. It'd sound fantastic as part of a film soundtrack (depending on the kind of film, of course). As for her voice ... well, I didn't like it too much; she's fine, but not breathtaking IMO. Too nasal, perhaps.
Watch this space.
Edit: I actually liked the arrangement. I applaud the fact they dared removing the best-known aspects from the original recording (the ostinato synth and so on) and coming up with something creative and quite interesting, instrumentally speaking. It'd sound fantastic as part of a film soundtrack (depending on the kind of film, of course). As for her voice ... well, I didn't like it too much; she's fine, but not breathtaking IMO. Too nasal, perhaps.
Silken
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Silken
[QUOTE] [b]Sebastian wrote:[/b]
I actually liked the arrangement. I applaud the fact they dared removing the best-known aspects from the original recording (the ostinato synth and so on) and coming up with something creative and quite interesting, instrumentally speaking. [/QUOTE]
They stole the arrangements from Beethoven and from someone else I can't remember but I think it's Verdi.
I actually liked the arrangement. I applaud the fact they dared removing the best-known aspects from the original recording (the ostinato synth and so on) and coming up with something creative and quite interesting, instrumentally speaking. [/QUOTE]
They stole the arrangements from Beethoven and from someone else I can't remember but I think it's Verdi.
Sebastian
I was talking about the other girl's version, not Celine's. Now, as for Celine's version ... I also like the arrangement - it's nice to do mash-ups. Some people hate them, and they're more than entitled to do so, but I like them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OYkWSW7u4k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OYkWSW7u4k
brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]k-m wrote:[/b]
Far from "stunning", as it was called on Queen's Facebook page. Like many others before her, Celine failed. Her voice is starting to fade too. She was unable to reach those incredible heights at least a couple of times. Time to call it a day, really.[/QUOTE]
FFS!!!
one question:
how great was Freddie's live version? - there isn't one. so stop comparing a live version to an immaculate studio version
that's actually a good live rendition.
Far from "stunning", as it was called on Queen's Facebook page. Like many others before her, Celine failed. Her voice is starting to fade too. She was unable to reach those incredible heights at least a couple of times. Time to call it a day, really.[/QUOTE]
FFS!!!
one question:
how great was Freddie's live version? - there isn't one. so stop comparing a live version to an immaculate studio version
that's actually a good live rendition.
Oscar J
She hit every note on pitch and with confidence, what are you talking about?
Another Roger (re)
Marc Martel has the best performances of the song to me. The Dion performance is fine though.
k-m
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]k-m wrote:[/b]
Far from "stunning", as it was called on Queen's Facebook page. Like many others before her, Celine failed. Her voice is starting to fade too. She was unable to reach those incredible heights at least a couple of times. Time to call it a day, really.[/QUOTE]
FFS!!!
one question:
how great was Freddie's live version? - there isn't one. so stop comparing a live version to an immaculate studio version
that's actually a good live rendition.[/QUOTE]
I will compare it to whatever I like. Are you suggesting then that if Freddie sang it live he wouldn't have done it better than Dion? You also mentioned an "immaculate studio version". Yes, even though Freddie was dying of Aids when recording it... Following your logic, would it be fair to compare Freddie's studio version with Dion's studio version? Because the circumstances of recording weren't exactly the same, were they?
[QUOTE] [b]k-m wrote:[/b]
Far from "stunning", as it was called on Queen's Facebook page. Like many others before her, Celine failed. Her voice is starting to fade too. She was unable to reach those incredible heights at least a couple of times. Time to call it a day, really.[/QUOTE]
FFS!!!
one question:
how great was Freddie's live version? - there isn't one. so stop comparing a live version to an immaculate studio version
that's actually a good live rendition.[/QUOTE]
I will compare it to whatever I like. Are you suggesting then that if Freddie sang it live he wouldn't have done it better than Dion? You also mentioned an "immaculate studio version". Yes, even though Freddie was dying of Aids when recording it... Following your logic, would it be fair to compare Freddie's studio version with Dion's studio version? Because the circumstances of recording weren't exactly the same, were they?
brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]k-m wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]k-m wrote:[/b]
Far from "stunning", as it was called on Queen's Facebook page. Like many others before her, Celine failed. Her voice is starting to fade too. She was unable to reach those incredible heights at least a couple of times. Time to call it a day, really.[/QUOTE]
FFS!!!
one question:
how great was Freddie's live version? - there isn't one. so stop comparing a live version to an immaculate studio version
that's actually a good live rendition.[/QUOTE]
I will compare it to whatever I like. Are you suggesting then that if Freddie sang it live he wouldn't have done it better than Dion? You also mentioned an "immaculate studio version". Yes, even though Freddie was dying of Aids when recording it... Following your logic, would it be fair to compare Freddie's studio version with Dion's studio version? Because the circumstances of recording weren't exactly the same, were they?[/QUOTE]
the criticism was for the live performance - YOU have no Freddie benchmark.
compare almost ALL of his live versions of I want To Break Free to his studio version - then you have your answer. by the mid-late 80s his live range was shot to pieces (smoking didnt help) -
do you know what "comparison" is actually about?
comparing actual like for like is the only way this should be done
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]k-m wrote:[/b]
Far from "stunning", as it was called on Queen's Facebook page. Like many others before her, Celine failed. Her voice is starting to fade too. She was unable to reach those incredible heights at least a couple of times. Time to call it a day, really.[/QUOTE]
FFS!!!
one question:
how great was Freddie's live version? - there isn't one. so stop comparing a live version to an immaculate studio version
that's actually a good live rendition.[/QUOTE]
I will compare it to whatever I like. Are you suggesting then that if Freddie sang it live he wouldn't have done it better than Dion? You also mentioned an "immaculate studio version". Yes, even though Freddie was dying of Aids when recording it... Following your logic, would it be fair to compare Freddie's studio version with Dion's studio version? Because the circumstances of recording weren't exactly the same, were they?[/QUOTE]
the criticism was for the live performance - YOU have no Freddie benchmark.
compare almost ALL of his live versions of I want To Break Free to his studio version - then you have your answer. by the mid-late 80s his live range was shot to pieces (smoking didnt help) -
do you know what "comparison" is actually about?
comparing actual like for like is the only way this should be done
k-m
Mid-late 80s? Depending when exactly and which concert or song you are referring to. You somehow decided to choose IWTBF, which wasn't exactly the highlight of his live performances and everybody knows that. Anyway, planning to leave it here mate. Enjoy your weekend.
Gregsynth
[QUOTE] [b]k-m wrote:[/b]
Mid-late 80s? Depending when exactly and which concert or song you are referring to. You somehow decided to choose IWTBF, which wasn't exactly the highlight of his live performances and everybody knows that. Anyway, planning to leave it here mate. Enjoy your weekend.[/QUOTE]
True - IWTBF was definitely not Freddie's highlight in the live shows. For every good live version vocally - you'll find a handful that sound rough at best or terrible at worst.
Brenski pretty much got the gist of it. If you compare Freddie's live vox from 1984-1986 (as a whole) to late 1979 through mid 1982 (as a whole), you'll hear the differences. Freddie was less consistent in the mid 80s for a variety of reasons. Freddie's live stamina was cut due to his smoking (affects the breath support and makes it harder to sing) and his voice would suffer faster in the live environment. The Works Tour had many dates crammed and if you combine that with the effects of smoking, you'll hear the results.
On The Magic Tour, while not at a career best overall, his live vox did improve a bit when compared with the Works Tour. Live Aid was extremely impressive as well (short set and went all-out). On his best nights from 1984-1986, his range was very good and rivals performances from the 70s and early 80s - but it's not as consistent as previous tours.
Mid-late 80s? Depending when exactly and which concert or song you are referring to. You somehow decided to choose IWTBF, which wasn't exactly the highlight of his live performances and everybody knows that. Anyway, planning to leave it here mate. Enjoy your weekend.[/QUOTE]
True - IWTBF was definitely not Freddie's highlight in the live shows. For every good live version vocally - you'll find a handful that sound rough at best or terrible at worst.
Brenski pretty much got the gist of it. If you compare Freddie's live vox from 1984-1986 (as a whole) to late 1979 through mid 1982 (as a whole), you'll hear the differences. Freddie was less consistent in the mid 80s for a variety of reasons. Freddie's live stamina was cut due to his smoking (affects the breath support and makes it harder to sing) and his voice would suffer faster in the live environment. The Works Tour had many dates crammed and if you combine that with the effects of smoking, you'll hear the results.
On The Magic Tour, while not at a career best overall, his live vox did improve a bit when compared with the Works Tour. Live Aid was extremely impressive as well (short set and went all-out). On his best nights from 1984-1986, his range was very good and rivals performances from the 70s and early 80s - but it's not as consistent as previous tours.
brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]k-m wrote:[/b]Mid-late 80s? Depending when exactly and which concert or song you are referring to. You somehow decided to choose IWTBF, which wasn't exactly the highlight of his live performances and everybody knows that.[/QUOTE]
my point wasn't about "one song" - i used IWTBF as it's the easiest example to quote - no fan, anywhere, would be hard-pressed to find poor live vocals of this song - there were more bad than good!
the actual point being (as i've stated in another thread) - that from 79-82 there is a deterioration in Freddie's vocals, but this is only slight compared to the deterioration between 82-84. By 86 this has improved "slightly" - but was still far from his own standards. This has to be put down to his lifestyle and smoking - he didn't look after himself and it reflected live; where you only get "one take"
[QUOTE] [b]Gregsynth:[/b]Brenski pretty much got the gist of it. If you compare Freddie's live vox from 1984-1986 (as a whole) to late 1979 through mid 1982 (as a whole), you'll hear the differences. Freddie was less consistent in the mid 80s for a variety of reasons. Freddie's live stamina was cut due to his smoking (affects the breath support and makes it harder to sing) and his voice would suffer faster in the live environment. The Works Tour had many dates crammed and if you combine that with the effects of smoking, you'll hear the results.[/QUOTE]
thanks for confirmation. I would however, disagree with the comment about the number of dates on the works tour - previous tours, Live Killers, crazy Tour etc - had as many dates
Jazz 35, LK/Crazy 66, HS 30, Works(1984) 32
Many people will argue that "oh but he reached this note or that note" - the problem with live vocals is it isn't just about the "notes" - and he did struggle later on - it's about tone, control and power. ALL of these were an issue for Freddie certainly between 84-86
my point wasn't about "one song" - i used IWTBF as it's the easiest example to quote - no fan, anywhere, would be hard-pressed to find poor live vocals of this song - there were more bad than good!
the actual point being (as i've stated in another thread) - that from 79-82 there is a deterioration in Freddie's vocals, but this is only slight compared to the deterioration between 82-84. By 86 this has improved "slightly" - but was still far from his own standards. This has to be put down to his lifestyle and smoking - he didn't look after himself and it reflected live; where you only get "one take"
[QUOTE] [b]Gregsynth:[/b]Brenski pretty much got the gist of it. If you compare Freddie's live vox from 1984-1986 (as a whole) to late 1979 through mid 1982 (as a whole), you'll hear the differences. Freddie was less consistent in the mid 80s for a variety of reasons. Freddie's live stamina was cut due to his smoking (affects the breath support and makes it harder to sing) and his voice would suffer faster in the live environment. The Works Tour had many dates crammed and if you combine that with the effects of smoking, you'll hear the results.[/QUOTE]
thanks for confirmation. I would however, disagree with the comment about the number of dates on the works tour - previous tours, Live Killers, crazy Tour etc - had as many dates
Jazz 35, LK/Crazy 66, HS 30, Works(1984) 32
Many people will argue that "oh but he reached this note or that note" - the problem with live vocals is it isn't just about the "notes" - and he did struggle later on - it's about tone, control and power. ALL of these were an issue for Freddie certainly between 84-86