dudeofqueen wrote:
Would love to hear some kiss-and-tell stories about Brian's groupie antics; there's a book there, surely.
It's called his music !
Listen carefully - it's all there.
It's called his music !
Listen carefully - it's all there.
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It's called his music !
Listen carefully - it's all there.
Holly2003 wrote:
andres_clip wrote:
Anyways since Freddies passing, you can clearly see who's missing in everything Queen does. So I can go for that Brian ego thing and even royaltys the reason for credit to Mother Love
And yet in Mr Bad Guy, you can also clearly see what and who is missing
Ding.
Like most collectives, the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.
They had their moments solo, but nothing they created separately remotely compares with their 1974-76 work.
The Real Wizard wrote:
But then Queenzone wouldn't be Queenzone, and people wouldn't be able to slag off one of the most respected people in the music business with impunity.
It's fair to assume that 99% of people on this site have never met Brian or worked with him, yet they are the ones who are doing the character judgements here without access to all of the available information.
Oh well. It is what it is.
Carry on...
It's not like people are asking for death penalty for Brian or anything ... there's no need to get so touchy. He's a public person, and his decisions will be debated and questioned, whether it's cheating on his wife, touring with an American Idol loser or reversing the 'four-way-split' credits agreement.
At the end of the day, it was his and Freddie's song and I very much doubt he put a gun on John's and Roger's head to agree to it so, whatever they decided on the matter is up to them.
The larger point, however, is that Queen fans are by and large pretty harmless. Worst we can do is inadvertently offending some hardcore Brian fan by daring claiming he wasn't the Messiah, but that's it.
He hasn't, to the best of my knowledge (yeah, I'm part of the 99% of people who's never met him, but that doesn't invalidate my right to comment here), received death threats or been attacked by people for the choices he's made. Wanna see who's had at least one really nasty fan? Ask John Lennon, Dimebag, Selena Quintanilla or, recently, the late great Christina Grimmie.
The whole concept of theorising is so often slammed that even the word 'speculation' is filled with negative connotations, as if it automatically meant 'not having the slightest fucking idea of what you're talking about.'
Of course, there are plenty of lazy-arse hypotheses or excessively deep deductions inaccurately extrapolated and interpreted with a fair share of flawed logic (e.g. assuming 'Was It All Worth It' was Brian's song because it had a lot of guitar, or assuming 'Don't Try So Hard' had to be John's song because the other 11 pieces allegedly couldn't be his and, allegedly, he had to have penned at least one track on each album since 1974). I myself have been a culprit for coming up with incorrect conclusions from time to time (John singing, 'Who Wants to Live Forever' not featuring bass, Fred recording 'Mother Love' in October), but that doesn't mean at all that 'speculations' should be outlawed altogether.
It's thanks to people who 'speculated' that humanity has progressed so much, in virtually all fields of science, arts, sports, etc.
That's gonna have its downside as well, and it's that amongst the countless hypotheses people can come up with, some (or many, or sometimes even all) of them might offend or hurt those who see Brian as a magical mystical Mayestic creature who can do no wrong just because he's a magnificent musician.
The Real Wizard wrote:
But then Queenzone wouldn't be Queenzone, and people wouldn't be able to slag off one of the most respected people in the music business with impunity.
It's fair to assume that 99% of people on this site have never met Brian or worked with him, yet they are the ones who are doing the character judgements here without access to all of the available information.
Oh well. It is what it is
Carry on...
Completely agree with this.
But the nature of any fan site is such that people will pass comment on what they believe which is not always the fact of the the matter.
99% of fans of any artist will only know what they have read and some have been lucky enough to have said hello, but spending a minute or two exchanging a polite hello and getting an autograph or photo isn't the same as spending time working with or socializing with someone and finding out more about them as a person.
Character assassinations are easy from a distance and even easier via a keyboard
I'm more inclined to agree with Sebastian on this. It won't hurt Brian and it doesn't make me a loser saying that I believe, from what I've seen and heard, that Brian is a very proud man with a big ego. But he's also humble and kind, a great guitarist and have loads of other favourable qualities as well.
Oscar J wrote:
I believe, from what I've seen and heard, that Brian is a very proud man with a big ego.
Not to mention the fact he's admitted it himself... and, allegedly, he knows himself far better than any of his fans do. So if Brian says he was the most pig-headed member of a band that included Fred and Rog, then there's no reason to believe otherwise IMO.
Sebastian wrote:
....touring with an American Idol loser....
Nice one (and completely factual so it can't even be rebuked).
Sebastian wrote:
That's gonna have its downside as well, and it's that amongst the countless hypotheses people can come up with, some (or many, or sometimes even all) of them might offend or hurt those who see Brian as a magical mystical Mayestic creature who can do no wrong just because he's a magnificent musician.
Mayestic - ha HAAAA !! Best thing I've read all day.
Of course you're right - the dialogue and speculation are a healthy and a necessary part of the whole picture. But it sometimes goes too far when it becomes downright character assassination.
The Real Wizard wrote:
But it sometimes goes too far when it becomes downright character assassination.
But how far is too far? Who defines that?
Saying Brian's got a massive ego (when he's admitted it himself, and he knows himself better than both you and I know him) is not character assassination.