Nitroboy
If you're using VLC, press "J" 3 times to delay the audio by -150ms. That solves it.
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Biggus Dickus
^^ That worked. Thanks.
popy
[QUOTE] [b]Biggus Dickus wrote:[/b]
I just watched this version. It looks great and I have nothing bad to say about it. However, it's strange how much the video is ahead of the sound in some cases. It's not a case of using one nights audio with other nights sound as for example the drum fills are exactly the same, but the the video is clearly ahead of the sound. This is apparent in KYA for example. If it's not some glitch in my equipment it's strange how they can get something like this wrong on an official release.[/QUOTE]
hum... so after all i'm not the only one noticing this, but with one difference: not only this is present on this file, but is something that always bothered me on the ORIGINAL blu-ray. Hasn't anyone noticed this before?
Now watching this, and with the little that i saw, even the audio tracks from the 2001 DVD are better synced with the video than the original DTS-HD track. Somebody to Love is a pretty good example of this. A even better example is on Let Me Entertain You, check Roger hiting the snare from 00:06:46 to 00:06:48 and compare the DTS track with the 2001 centre channel track. On DTS you see him hiting the snare but you only hear the snare sound AFTER the camera angle changes.
Both examples are on the original blu-ray, on both surround and stereo tracks. The problem is on the original. As i said, the 2001 DVD tracks in this file are better synced.
Thanks for the link Chief Mouse, great work.
I just watched this version. It looks great and I have nothing bad to say about it. However, it's strange how much the video is ahead of the sound in some cases. It's not a case of using one nights audio with other nights sound as for example the drum fills are exactly the same, but the the video is clearly ahead of the sound. This is apparent in KYA for example. If it's not some glitch in my equipment it's strange how they can get something like this wrong on an official release.[/QUOTE]
hum... so after all i'm not the only one noticing this, but with one difference: not only this is present on this file, but is something that always bothered me on the ORIGINAL blu-ray. Hasn't anyone noticed this before?
Now watching this, and with the little that i saw, even the audio tracks from the 2001 DVD are better synced with the video than the original DTS-HD track. Somebody to Love is a pretty good example of this. A even better example is on Let Me Entertain You, check Roger hiting the snare from 00:06:46 to 00:06:48 and compare the DTS track with the 2001 centre channel track. On DTS you see him hiting the snare but you only hear the snare sound AFTER the camera angle changes.
Both examples are on the original blu-ray, on both surround and stereo tracks. The problem is on the original. As i said, the 2001 DVD tracks in this file are better synced.
Thanks for the link Chief Mouse, great work.
pittrek
Correct, the problem has been always there. I always automatically assumed it was a half arsed job done for the theatrical release, a result of using video and audio from different nights. All of the versions had different f-ups, e.g. the VHS version in Killer Queen you could hear Freddie's voice when the camera has shown he's not singing, the same goes for e.g. WWRY fast in the 2001 DVD, and a lot of instances where they had a few frames long difference between the audio and the video tracks. Still not so horrible as the Rainbow VHS :)
And I absolutely agree, great work. I've seen it last evening and this was the first time I was actually able to watch the whole thing from the beginning till the end without needing breaks for my eyes.
And I absolutely agree, great work. I've seen it last evening and this was the first time I was actually able to watch the whole thing from the beginning till the end without needing breaks for my eyes.
Nitroboy
My theory is that that they ALWAYS (this is present on all releases) shift the audio by -50 or -100 ms (or thereabout), to make up for the distance that people usually watch it at on their TVs (several meters).
We who watch this on our computers are much closer, and as such have speakers or headphones delivering the sound almost instantaneously. Thus we see the audio being out of sync.
The reason the 2001 center channel (and the Saul Swimmer commentary track) doesn't have this issue, is because I synchronized it that way :)
I notice videos I've worked on are in sync on my computer, but when I watch it on our TV from about 3-4 meters away; it's not. Just my own "observation" :)
We who watch this on our computers are much closer, and as such have speakers or headphones delivering the sound almost instantaneously. Thus we see the audio being out of sync.
The reason the 2001 center channel (and the Saul Swimmer commentary track) doesn't have this issue, is because I synchronized it that way :)
I notice videos I've worked on are in sync on my computer, but when I watch it on our TV from about 3-4 meters away; it's not. Just my own "observation" :)
Oscar J
Speed of sound ˜ 343 m/s. So if people usually watch it from a 3 - 4 meter distance, they'd only need to delay the video about 10 ms after the audio. Also, in this case - wasn't it actually the audio that was delayed? Because that doesn't make sense.
Dodger Taylor
I got to 87% downloading it on Google Chrome n got a message saying browser memory full.Not tech minded so not sure how to download it......heeeellllpppp lol :/
pittrek
[QUOTE] [b]Dodger Taylor wrote:[/b]
I got to 87% downloading it on Google Chrome n got a message saying browser memory full.Not tech minded so not sure how to download it......heeeellllpppp lol :/[/QUOTE]
Use some download software. I personally can recommend Free Rapid Downloader or jDownloader2, and mega has its own downloader.
I got to 87% downloading it on Google Chrome n got a message saying browser memory full.Not tech minded so not sure how to download it......heeeellllpppp lol :/[/QUOTE]
Use some download software. I personally can recommend Free Rapid Downloader or jDownloader2, and mega has its own downloader.
Dodger Taylor
I saw a link on a post previously in this thread about a downloader but wasn't sure that was what I needed.Will give it a try :)
Just trying MEGAsync......only time will tell if Iv done it correctly lol
Just trying MEGAsync......only time will tell if Iv done it correctly lol
jazz 1979
Where's the download link plz ?
popy
Does that actually make any sense? We are watching in a home environment, not in a cinema or outdoors far away from the screen. In my opinion, this was not a choice, but an error.
Nitroboy
[QUOTE] [b]jazz 1979 wrote:[/b]
Where's the download link plz ?[/QUOTE]
Read the post...
Where's the download link plz ?[/QUOTE]
Read the post...
popy
[QUOTE]
[b]Nitroboy wrote: [/b] My theory is that that they ALWAYS (this is present on all releases) shift the audio by -50 or -100 ms (or thereabout), to make up for the distance that people usually watch it at on their TVs (several meters).
We who watch this on our computers are much closer, and as such have speakers or headphones delivering the sound almost instantaneously. Thus we see the audio being out of sync.
The reason the 2001 center channel (and the Saul Swimmer commentary track) doesn't have this issue, is because I synchronized it that way :)
I notice videos I've worked on are in sync on my computer, but when I watch it on our TV from about 3-4 meters away; it's not. Just my own "observation" :)[/QUOTE]
As i said in my previous post, in a home environment that doesn't make sense. And what you say makes even less sense because[b] light travels faster than sound[/b], so sound would arrive[b] later[/b] than the image as you go farther away from you tv. So in Rock Montreal, as you increase viewing distance, the audio and video out-of-sync problem would be even worst than it already is. Also, 5.1 home systems have speaker placement and distance to listening point configuration.
You see the picture, and then you hear the audio. On Let Me Entertain You, Roger hits the snare from 00:06:46 to 00:06:48. You see him hiting the snare, but you only hear the sound of the snare after the camera angle changes to a side stage camera. If it was like you describe, it should be the other way round. This out-of-sync thing in Rock Montreal is[b] an error[/b] and not a conscious decision. It can't be a conscious decision because the way light and sound travel. That's why, in big stadium concerts, you need PA system across the venue because sound in front of the stage would arrive later than the image in the back of the stadium.
[b]Nitroboy wrote: [/b] My theory is that that they ALWAYS (this is present on all releases) shift the audio by -50 or -100 ms (or thereabout), to make up for the distance that people usually watch it at on their TVs (several meters).
We who watch this on our computers are much closer, and as such have speakers or headphones delivering the sound almost instantaneously. Thus we see the audio being out of sync.
The reason the 2001 center channel (and the Saul Swimmer commentary track) doesn't have this issue, is because I synchronized it that way :)
I notice videos I've worked on are in sync on my computer, but when I watch it on our TV from about 3-4 meters away; it's not. Just my own "observation" :)[/QUOTE]
As i said in my previous post, in a home environment that doesn't make sense. And what you say makes even less sense because[b] light travels faster than sound[/b], so sound would arrive[b] later[/b] than the image as you go farther away from you tv. So in Rock Montreal, as you increase viewing distance, the audio and video out-of-sync problem would be even worst than it already is. Also, 5.1 home systems have speaker placement and distance to listening point configuration.
You see the picture, and then you hear the audio. On Let Me Entertain You, Roger hits the snare from 00:06:46 to 00:06:48. You see him hiting the snare, but you only hear the sound of the snare after the camera angle changes to a side stage camera. If it was like you describe, it should be the other way round. This out-of-sync thing in Rock Montreal is[b] an error[/b] and not a conscious decision. It can't be a conscious decision because the way light and sound travel. That's why, in big stadium concerts, you need PA system across the venue because sound in front of the stage would arrive later than the image in the back of the stadium.
Nitroboy
You are correct. I was mixing it up with my video bootlegs where the sound is delayed because of the length of the venues :P
To fix it permanently, you guys can extract the DTS audio track and put it back into the MKV file with a negative delay of ~100ms :)
To fix it permanently, you guys can extract the DTS audio track and put it back into the MKV file with a negative delay of ~100ms :)
advanced159
To be honest I didn't notice any delays playing the concert at normal speed....I had to play the Let me entertain you part at 0.50x to see what you guys were talking about