brENsKi
Don't look now Mr Corbyn, but you'd better clear your desk...she's clearing her throat
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Pingfah
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
i find the "over your head" comment insulting. but if you want to play that game
1] there wasn't a government until ONE year ago. the previous 5 years was a very pro-europe coalition, before that we had an equally pro-europe labour government for 12 years. so your comment is wholly inaccurate
2] your comments are typical of those who, when given a say on something do not like democracy unless the will of the people happens to comply completely with their own.
3] the referendum was presented in the manifesto because the Tories could see (immigration, trade rules, law-making) national issues for everyone - including their own party who were divided
4] much as the left-wing press and labour party like to claim that the whole thing is about immigration - it isn't. it's also about law-making, stifling red tape and unfair business competition across the whole eurozone - just ask workers at Bombardier.
5] there will be other countries to follow the Uk to the door
6] 52-48% of 72% of the population voted. the 28% who didn't vote are by consequence happy with either outcome. you can't NOT VOTE or not register to VOTE and then complain when things go the other way. NO VOTE = majority agreement, by default. regardless of what YOU think - this vote to leave - IS the will of the people.
If i behaved like you, i'd be demanding a re-run of 6 of the last NINE general elections whose results i didn't like. grow up, quit moaning, and let's move on. Our country will thrive and be better off free of europe if we work for it,
alternatively it'll sink under the burden of hand-wringers, moaners and the dissatisfied who refuse to accept democracy and pull together to succeed. - but then that's EXACTLY what those merchants of doom would prefer - the chance to say "i told you so" as THEIR negativity helps steer the bus off a cliff[/QUOTE]
What the actual fuck are you talking about? I said absolutely nothing about ignoring or rerunning the referendum, overturning the result or anything of the sort!
Unfortunately, delusional idiots like you have fucked the country, the economy is collapsing as we speak, and the government is going to have no choice but to cut us a highly inequitable deal with the EU to stem the tide, which will certainly leave us considerably worse off financially, and will fail to address any of the issues you have mentioned. And the hilarious thing is, you actually think this bullshit is a victory for you. It's not, you have shot yourself in the foot you moron.
I have no choice but to put up with it. I have no problem with telling you to go fuck yourself for doing it though.
i find the "over your head" comment insulting. but if you want to play that game
1] there wasn't a government until ONE year ago. the previous 5 years was a very pro-europe coalition, before that we had an equally pro-europe labour government for 12 years. so your comment is wholly inaccurate
2] your comments are typical of those who, when given a say on something do not like democracy unless the will of the people happens to comply completely with their own.
3] the referendum was presented in the manifesto because the Tories could see (immigration, trade rules, law-making) national issues for everyone - including their own party who were divided
4] much as the left-wing press and labour party like to claim that the whole thing is about immigration - it isn't. it's also about law-making, stifling red tape and unfair business competition across the whole eurozone - just ask workers at Bombardier.
5] there will be other countries to follow the Uk to the door
6] 52-48% of 72% of the population voted. the 28% who didn't vote are by consequence happy with either outcome. you can't NOT VOTE or not register to VOTE and then complain when things go the other way. NO VOTE = majority agreement, by default. regardless of what YOU think - this vote to leave - IS the will of the people.
If i behaved like you, i'd be demanding a re-run of 6 of the last NINE general elections whose results i didn't like. grow up, quit moaning, and let's move on. Our country will thrive and be better off free of europe if we work for it,
alternatively it'll sink under the burden of hand-wringers, moaners and the dissatisfied who refuse to accept democracy and pull together to succeed. - but then that's EXACTLY what those merchants of doom would prefer - the chance to say "i told you so" as THEIR negativity helps steer the bus off a cliff[/QUOTE]
What the actual fuck are you talking about? I said absolutely nothing about ignoring or rerunning the referendum, overturning the result or anything of the sort!
Unfortunately, delusional idiots like you have fucked the country, the economy is collapsing as we speak, and the government is going to have no choice but to cut us a highly inequitable deal with the EU to stem the tide, which will certainly leave us considerably worse off financially, and will fail to address any of the issues you have mentioned. And the hilarious thing is, you actually think this bullshit is a victory for you. It's not, you have shot yourself in the foot you moron.
I have no choice but to put up with it. I have no problem with telling you to go fuck yourself for doing it though.
YourValentine
I don't get what the Merkel picture has to do with all of it. Really - I would not object if people complain that she has no respect for Europe and tends to pick and choose with whom she talks behind closed doors but the Europeans should loudly criticise that behaviour and not be part of it. Definitely the EU MUST reform and become more transparent and closer to the people in order to survive. Definitely the EU MUST explain the good things about the union much better and not allow the national governments to strip themselves of all responsibilities and put all the blame on the EU.
Brenski has mentioned 3 things that were at the core of the referendum: immigration, law making and overly bureaucratic trade rules.
- in fact immigration from the EU must be accepted in order to get access to the single market. It will not happen that the EU grants access to the single market without that proviso, all leaders have emphasized that loud and clear. If they would not do that - many other countries would not see why they have to obey EU laws and not the UK. I think that was the biggest lie from the leave campaign and they are already taking that back
- as to law making: EU laws are drafted by the commission (who was elected by the European parliament like any national government is elected by their parliament). Then the EU parliament AND the national parliaments have to ratify these laws with a majority. I cannot see why this is so un-democratic and with no legitimation when all members are representative democracies and accept such procedures in their countries - except of course the UK which is a monarchy and has a totally unelected head of state and second chamber with unelected noblemen and -women appointed by the "crown". I can understand that people are often unhappy with such laws (I know I am!!) and it is probably harder to accept a law from outside the country but it has nothing to do with sovereignty and democracy. There is absolutely much room for improvement: for example it was rightfully criticised that the parliament does not have the right to draw laws on their own but we must not forget that this was decided by OUR governments. We the people should protest more like we do now against CETA and TTIP.
- bureaucracy: an absolute valid point but there will be even more bureaucracy when businesses have to file for certification for each product and each service in the future. Of course, the EU will not alienate the UK (at least I hope so) and try to find acceptable procedures but the fact remains that the UK and EU businesses will need more paperwork and not less.
Brenski has mentioned 3 things that were at the core of the referendum: immigration, law making and overly bureaucratic trade rules.
- in fact immigration from the EU must be accepted in order to get access to the single market. It will not happen that the EU grants access to the single market without that proviso, all leaders have emphasized that loud and clear. If they would not do that - many other countries would not see why they have to obey EU laws and not the UK. I think that was the biggest lie from the leave campaign and they are already taking that back
- as to law making: EU laws are drafted by the commission (who was elected by the European parliament like any national government is elected by their parliament). Then the EU parliament AND the national parliaments have to ratify these laws with a majority. I cannot see why this is so un-democratic and with no legitimation when all members are representative democracies and accept such procedures in their countries - except of course the UK which is a monarchy and has a totally unelected head of state and second chamber with unelected noblemen and -women appointed by the "crown". I can understand that people are often unhappy with such laws (I know I am!!) and it is probably harder to accept a law from outside the country but it has nothing to do with sovereignty and democracy. There is absolutely much room for improvement: for example it was rightfully criticised that the parliament does not have the right to draw laws on their own but we must not forget that this was decided by OUR governments. We the people should protest more like we do now against CETA and TTIP.
- bureaucracy: an absolute valid point but there will be even more bureaucracy when businesses have to file for certification for each product and each service in the future. Of course, the EU will not alienate the UK (at least I hope so) and try to find acceptable procedures but the fact remains that the UK and EU businesses will need more paperwork and not less.
brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]Pingfah wrote:[/b]
What the actual fuck are you talking about? I said absolutely nothing about ignoring or rerunning the referendum, overturning the result or anything of the sort!
Unfortunately, delusional idiots like you have fucked the country, the economy is collapsing as we speak, And the hilarious thing is, you actually think this bullshit is a victory for you. It's not, you have shot yourself in the foot you moron.
I have no choice but to put up with it. I have no problem with telling you to go fuck yourself for doing it though.
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firstly, i didn't say i was quoting you anywhere. i replied to your "over your head" comment, and then replied to ALL of the issues raised in this thread.
you've now insulted me three times.
"insane" "delusional idiot" "moron"
i've not insulted you at all - if this is the voice of the Remain campaign then i'm glad i didn't vote the same way as you. it'd be nice if you could discuss civilly without resorting to playground insults.
you can tell how the mods feel about the referendum - your insulting comments remain unchallenged and unedited. that is shameful.
if i'd insulted you like that - i'd have been threatened with banning, and my comments would've been removed by now.
What the actual fuck are you talking about? I said absolutely nothing about ignoring or rerunning the referendum, overturning the result or anything of the sort!
Unfortunately, delusional idiots like you have fucked the country, the economy is collapsing as we speak, And the hilarious thing is, you actually think this bullshit is a victory for you. It's not, you have shot yourself in the foot you moron.
I have no choice but to put up with it. I have no problem with telling you to go fuck yourself for doing it though.
[/QUOTE]
firstly, i didn't say i was quoting you anywhere. i replied to your "over your head" comment, and then replied to ALL of the issues raised in this thread.
you've now insulted me three times.
"insane" "delusional idiot" "moron"
i've not insulted you at all - if this is the voice of the Remain campaign then i'm glad i didn't vote the same way as you. it'd be nice if you could discuss civilly without resorting to playground insults.
you can tell how the mods feel about the referendum - your insulting comments remain unchallenged and unedited. that is shameful.
if i'd insulted you like that - i'd have been threatened with banning, and my comments would've been removed by now.
*goodco*
That Gerry goof hung around for ....how long? I thought name calling was SOP half the time around here.
For this topic, certain flames are actually quite timid IMHO.
For this topic, certain flames are actually quite timid IMHO.
tero! 48531
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Pingfah wrote:[/b]
What the actual fuck are you talking about? I said absolutely nothing about ignoring or rerunning the referendum, overturning the result or anything of the sort!
Unfortunately, delusional idiots like you have fucked the country, the economy is collapsing as we speak, And the hilarious thing is, you actually think this bullshit is a victory for you. It's not, you have shot yourself in the foot you moron.
I have no choice but to put up with it. I have no problem with telling you to go fuck yourself for doing it though.
[/QUOTE]
firstly, i didn't say i was quoting you anywhere. i replied to your "over your head" comment, and then replied to ALL of the issues raised in this thread.
you've now insulted me three times.
"insane" "delusional idiot" "moron"
i've not insulted you at all - if this is the voice of the Remain campaign then i'm glad i didn't vote the same way as you. it'd be nice if you could discuss civilly without resorting to playground insults.
you can tell how the mods feel about the referendum - your insulting comments remain unchallenged and unedited. that is shameful.
if i'd insulted you like that - i'd have been threatened with banning, and my comments would've been removed by now.
[/QUOTE]
I've only glanced at your recent posts. but it seems like you two are talking about two different things: One is talking about the circumstances which led to the referendum, and the other one is talking about the referendum itself.
That's something that you have ignored (or it has "gone over your head") in your excitement to continue the argument. At that stage, the only reasonable thing is to walk away from the conversation to calm yourself down.
[QUOTE] [b]Pingfah wrote:[/b]
What the actual fuck are you talking about? I said absolutely nothing about ignoring or rerunning the referendum, overturning the result or anything of the sort!
Unfortunately, delusional idiots like you have fucked the country, the economy is collapsing as we speak, And the hilarious thing is, you actually think this bullshit is a victory for you. It's not, you have shot yourself in the foot you moron.
I have no choice but to put up with it. I have no problem with telling you to go fuck yourself for doing it though.
[/QUOTE]
firstly, i didn't say i was quoting you anywhere. i replied to your "over your head" comment, and then replied to ALL of the issues raised in this thread.
you've now insulted me three times.
"insane" "delusional idiot" "moron"
i've not insulted you at all - if this is the voice of the Remain campaign then i'm glad i didn't vote the same way as you. it'd be nice if you could discuss civilly without resorting to playground insults.
you can tell how the mods feel about the referendum - your insulting comments remain unchallenged and unedited. that is shameful.
if i'd insulted you like that - i'd have been threatened with banning, and my comments would've been removed by now.
[/QUOTE]
I've only glanced at your recent posts. but it seems like you two are talking about two different things: One is talking about the circumstances which led to the referendum, and the other one is talking about the referendum itself.
That's something that you have ignored (or it has "gone over your head") in your excitement to continue the argument. At that stage, the only reasonable thing is to walk away from the conversation to calm yourself down.
Pingfah
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
firstly, i didn't say i was quoting you anywhere. i replied to your "over your head" comment, and then replied to ALL of the issues raised in this thread.
you've now insulted me three times.
"insane" "delusional idiot" "moron"
i've not insulted you at all - if this is the voice of the Remain campaign then i'm glad i didn't vote the same way as you. it'd be nice if you could discuss civilly without resorting to playground insults.
you can tell how the mods feel about the referendum - your insulting comments remain unchallenged and unedited. that is shameful.
if i'd insulted you like that - i'd have been threatened with banning, and my comments would've been removed by now.
[/QUOTE]
Awwww. Diddums.
firstly, i didn't say i was quoting you anywhere. i replied to your "over your head" comment, and then replied to ALL of the issues raised in this thread.
you've now insulted me three times.
"insane" "delusional idiot" "moron"
i've not insulted you at all - if this is the voice of the Remain campaign then i'm glad i didn't vote the same way as you. it'd be nice if you could discuss civilly without resorting to playground insults.
you can tell how the mods feel about the referendum - your insulting comments remain unchallenged and unedited. that is shameful.
if i'd insulted you like that - i'd have been threatened with banning, and my comments would've been removed by now.
[/QUOTE]
Awwww. Diddums.
brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]Pingfah wrote:[/b]
Awwww. Diddums.
[/QUOTE]
completely juvenile response. still some people respond to "not getting their own way" with childish insults - last refuge of those
unable to discuss in an adult way. doesn't detract from the facts tho' does it? the country voted leave.
Now you have to live with it. it'll probably really stick in your side when you see
the country getting better and stronger and you being 100% wrong.
Awwww. Diddums.
[/QUOTE]
completely juvenile response. still some people respond to "not getting their own way" with childish insults - last refuge of those
unable to discuss in an adult way. doesn't detract from the facts tho' does it? the country voted leave.
Now you have to live with it. it'll probably really stick in your side when you see
the country getting better and stronger and you being 100% wrong.
YourValentine
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
you can tell how the mods feel about the referendum - your insulting comments remain unchallenged and unedited. that is shameful.
if i'd insulted you like that - i'd have been threatened with banning, and my comments would've been removed by now.
[/QUOTE]
This is ridiculous - you must be joking
you can tell how the mods feel about the referendum - your insulting comments remain unchallenged and unedited. that is shameful.
if i'd insulted you like that - i'd have been threatened with banning, and my comments would've been removed by now.
[/QUOTE]
This is ridiculous - you must be joking
brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]YourValentine wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
you can tell how the mods feel about the referendum - your insulting comments remain unchallenged and unedited. that is shameful.
if i'd insulted you like that - i'd have been threatened with banning, and my comments would've been removed by now.
[/QUOTE]
This is ridiculous - you must be joking[/QUOTE]
perhaps i'm not.
i'll test my theory then...
now how far am i allowed to insult pingfah before you intervene?
guess you'll do something once it dawns on you
failing that, someone else will point it out to you
and then you'll take action and
have me banned
it's a shame as this site used to be ok once upon a time until
stupidity and petty insults took over
and finally it became a dumping ground for
crap and bullshit from Gerry and his ilk
until we reached the point where
none of the decent, regular contributors bothered any more
that's exactly where we are now - knee deep in shit
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
you can tell how the mods feel about the referendum - your insulting comments remain unchallenged and unedited. that is shameful.
if i'd insulted you like that - i'd have been threatened with banning, and my comments would've been removed by now.
[/QUOTE]
This is ridiculous - you must be joking[/QUOTE]
perhaps i'm not.
i'll test my theory then...
now how far am i allowed to insult pingfah before you intervene?
guess you'll do something once it dawns on you
failing that, someone else will point it out to you
and then you'll take action and
have me banned
it's a shame as this site used to be ok once upon a time until
stupidity and petty insults took over
and finally it became a dumping ground for
crap and bullshit from Gerry and his ilk
until we reached the point where
none of the decent, regular contributors bothered any more
that's exactly where we are now - knee deep in shit
Saint Jiub
YourValentine
I wonder if I am the only one who is depressed about this conversation. The "brexit " is a historical decision and look how we are talking about it. Name calling, insults, the complete unwillingness to look at the points made by the other side. In the end the claim that a ban is immininent although we all know that this has never happened on this forum. We really have no reason to criticise our politicians if we are no better than all the clowns that represent us.
brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]YourValentine wrote:[/b] In the end the claim that a ban is immininent although we all know that this has never happened on this forum.[/QUOTE]
really? - so we ALL imagined Gerry did we? wasn't his account deleted/banned?
thought so.
really? - so we ALL imagined Gerry did we? wasn't his account deleted/banned?
thought so.
Saint Jiub
Apples and Oranges ...
Gerry went off the deep end ... insulting everyone, typing in ALL CAPS, judicious use of the C word, and numerous spammy incoherent posts.
You are no Gerry ... and will likely not get banned unless you try much harder with an increased spamming rate of posting "improved" diatribe outside the "personal" section.
Gerry went off the deep end ... insulting everyone, typing in ALL CAPS, judicious use of the C word, and numerous spammy incoherent posts.
You are no Gerry ... and will likely not get banned unless you try much harder with an increased spamming rate of posting "improved" diatribe outside the "personal" section.
brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]Panchgani wrote:[/b]
Apples and Oranges ...
Gerry went off the deep end ... insulting everyone, typing in ALL CAPS, judicious use of the C word, and numerous spammy incoherent posts.
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is the key word "incoherent" because other than that, Pingfah's posts were no different to the Gezzmieister.
which is why (initially and vertically) i insulted him back - tho' no one noticed - waste of fekkin time
Apples and Oranges ...
Gerry went off the deep end ... insulting everyone, typing in ALL CAPS, judicious use of the C word, and numerous spammy incoherent posts.
[/QUOTE]
is the key word "incoherent" because other than that, Pingfah's posts were no different to the Gezzmieister.
which is why (initially and vertically) i insulted him back - tho' no one noticed - waste of fekkin time