It is horrible to see violence, period. Police Officer involved killings have been very constant this year. I don't know if maybe this is the start of a big civil unrest in this country...
^ I'm betting some of them did. But the regular majority wouldn't. Many people of all sexes, colors and creeds were crazy during that shooting. it hit the airwaves relatively fast.
The media will undoubtedly celebrate the folks that DO enjoy it. food for thought. I regularly hear older white men at my local tavern virtually say thank God everytime some black "suspect" is shot in the news.
THAT story doesn't get covered. it happens far too often. I can empathize with someone's frustration that objectives are ridiculed and so few are held accountable. the recent black man that was shot to death in his car in front of his girlfriend and child was enough to make people disgusted.
its sad however that the Black Lives Matter movement (*an attempt to draw attention to the disparity in police shootings ; possibly achieving legislation) has attracted so many assholes as well
sadly the ambush brings the significance of life to another group of people that don't seem to realize the very reason the Black Lives Matter thing came into being. The general white population doesn't give a crap WHICH black people die, even if under the operation of a civil service job.
it's like very little has changed
Oscar J · Member since
brENsKi: the man behind that shady site is a well know conspiracy theorist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Jones_(radio_host)
But yeah, there are always some individuals, on both sides, taking things way too far.
thomasquinn 32989 · Member since
"anarchists and marxists"
As soon as you read that, you know you can stop reading.
Extremism begets extremism, violence begets violence. The USA is still suffering from the same problems as in the '50s/'60s, and those were the same problems as under Reconstruction (1865-1877) - the Civil War is still not completely over, and I don't see it ending anytime soon. Despite the fact that equality under the law is mostly a legal fact now (there are still many loopholes that allow for discrimination), REAL equality is not. Racism is still a tool used by the powererful to get the support of poor whites against their own interests - the Donald Trump campaign is illustrating that, and it is not markedly different from the politics of the Redeemer Democrats, wealthy ex-confederates who represented the interests of the rich to the detriment of the poor (both black and white), during the late Reconstruction era. During the Obama-presidency, much racist sentiment that was hidden from view during most of the '80s, '90s and '00s resurfaced in full view - white supremacists have become more visible in politics once more, as they were until the late '60s and early '70s
The Trump-campaign is overtly race-baiting, both anti-black, anti-Islamic and now even anti-semitic (and I'm not just referring to the star-of-David tweet, but also to even more disgusting things like Trump's remark to Jewish Republicans that "most of you probably don't like me because I don't want your money"). Violence is exploding both ways in a way that is not unlike the Long Hot Summers, and unless the root causes are addressed, it will not be solved but only temporarily supressed. Cheap rhetoric, like the quote from brenski I mentioned above, will only cause more harm, because it deflects attention from real problems towards easy strawmen (like all the current political demagoguery, from Geert Wilders and Marine LePen to Nigel Farage and the Brexit).
Populism, nationalism, demagoguery, conspiracy theories - these are a threat to everyone.
Costa86 · Member since
Alex Jones is a delusional, manipulative, cretin, who doubles as a snake oil salesman. He actually peddles products which are supposed to detoxify you etc. on his YouTube shows (which seem to be updated a million times a day). He's beyond being a conspiracy theorist - he deliberately agitates and misinforms, under the guise of providing "the truth".
Saint Jiub · Member since
[QUOTE]
[b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote: [/b] "anarchists and marxists"
As soon as you read that, you know you can stop reading.
Extremism begets extremism, violence begets violence. The USA is still suffering from the same problems as in the '50s/'60s, and those were the same problems as under Reconstruction (1865-1877) - the Civil War is still not completely over, and I don't see it ending anytime soon. Despite the fact that equality under the law is mostly a legal fact now (there are still many loopholes that allow for discrimination), REAL equality is not. Racism is still a tool used by the powererful to get the support of poor whites against their own interests - the Donald Trump campaign is illustrating that, and it is not markedly different from the politics of the Redeemer Democrats, wealthy ex-confederates who represented the interests of the rich to the detriment of the poor (both black and white), during the late Reconstruction era. During the Obama-presidency, much racist sentiment that was hidden from view during most of the '80s, '90s and '00s resurfaced in full view - white supremacists have become more visible in politics once more, as they were until the late '60s and early '70s
The Trump-campaign is overtly race-baiting, both anti-black, anti-Islamic and now even anti-semitic (and I'm not just referring to the star-of-David tweet, but also to even more disgusting things like Trump's remark to Jewish Republicans that "most of you probably don't like me because I don't want your money"). Violence is exploding both ways in a way that is not unlike the Long Hot Summers, and unless the root causes are addressed, it will not be solved but only temporarily supressed. Cheap rhetoric, like the quote from brenski I mentioned above, will only cause more harm, because it deflects attention from real problems towards easy strawmen (like all the current political demagoguery, from Geert Wilders and Marine LePen to Nigel Farage and the Brexit).
Populism, nationalism, demagoguery, conspiracy theories - these are a threat to everyone.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the drivel Dr Quinn.
brENsKi · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Panchgani wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE]
[b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote: [/b] "anarchists and marxists"
As soon as you read that, you know you can stop reading.
Extremism begets extremism, violence begets violence. The USA is still suffering from the same problems as in the '50s/'60s, and those were the same problems as under Reconstruction (1865-1877) - the Civil War is still not completely over, and I don't see it ending anytime soon. Despite the fact that equality under the law is mostly a legal fact now (there are still many loopholes that allow for discrimination), REAL equality is not. Racism is still a tool used by the powererful to get the support of poor whites against their own interests - the Donald Trump campaign is illustrating that, and it is not markedly different from the politics of the Redeemer Democrats, wealthy ex-confederates who represented the interests of the rich to the detriment of the poor (both black and white), during the late Reconstruction era. During the Obama-presidency, much racist sentiment that was hidden from view during most of the '80s, '90s and '00s resurfaced in full view - white supremacists have become more visible in politics once more, as they were until the late '60s and early '70s
The Trump-campaign is overtly race-baiting, both anti-black, anti-Islamic and now even anti-semitic (and I'm not just referring to the star-of-David tweet, but also to even more disgusting things like Trump's remark to Jewish Republicans that "most of you probably don't like me because I don't want your money"). Violence is exploding both ways in a way that is not unlike the Long Hot Summers, and unless the root causes are addressed, it will not be solved but only temporarily supressed. Cheap rhetoric, like the quote from brenski I mentioned above, will only cause more harm, because it deflects attention from real problems towards easy strawmen (like all the current political demagoguery, from Geert Wilders and Marine LePen to Nigel Farage and the Brexit).
Populism, nationalism, demagoguery, conspiracy theories - these are a threat to everyone.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the drivel Dr Quinn.[/QUOTE]
exactly. Casper's favourite sport - talking down at everyone here - with his "i know everything about everything since forever" crap
you know what Casper? you could also be wrong you know,
also strange how you always preach your left-wing, anti-capitalist gospel, but NEVER offer any kind of workable solution. the world has no time for your kind of "holier-than-thou-but-actually-do-f***-all-about-anything"
for someone supposedly learned and intellectual...you know surprisingly little about surprisingly less.
get your head out of your textbooks and spend some time in the real world
Saint Jiub · Member since
"get your head out of your textbooks and spend some time in the real world"
But he has a government job ... Doesn't that count as the real world? LOL
brENsKi · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Panchgani wrote:[/b]
"get your head out of your textbooks and spend some time in the real world"
But he has a government job ... Doesn't that count as the real world? LOL [/QUOTE]
haha. in Casper's left-wing egalitarian (but not if you're white!) world - ALL of those tweets were false postings made by pro-gun-whites who want to fan the flames.
he's far too clever but equally unreasoned to see that those tweets were genuine and the "pigs in blankets" and "let's fry some bacon" comments originate from the very people he says need further protection and in his world would be above the law
#stupidhypocritcalmoronics
YourValentine · Member since
This conversation is typical for any other discussion you see these days. Whataboutisms and insults. I say police violence you say black vs black murder. It's hopeless.
Mr.Jingles · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
both sides are as bad as each other
it no longer matters what the origins or noble objectives of a cause now hijacked by anarchists and marxists. it's all fucked in the head now.
I seriously wouldn't quote anything from Infowars as a reliable source of information.
For those who know Alex Jones, he's a paranoid conspiracy theorist who believes the 9/11 attacks were 100% an inside job.
Mr.Jingles · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Costa86 wrote:[/b]
Alex Jones is a delusional, manipulative, cretin, who doubles as a snake oil salesman. He actually peddles products which are supposed to detoxify you etc. on his YouTube shows (which seem to be updated a million times a day). He's beyond being a conspiracy theorist - he deliberately agitates and misinforms, under the guise of providing "the truth". [/QUOTE]
I couldn't agree more.
You might as well quote The Onion as a truthful information source over Info Wars.
thomasquinn 32989 · Member since
How typical. Slurs and ad-hominem attacks from Brenski and Panchgani, sprinkled with some conspiracy theories and half a dozen strawman fallacies where Brenski puts words in my mouth, but conveniently ignores everything I wrote. And still, as in the Brexit discussion which followed a similar course, Brenski insists he represents "the real world", and everything that doesn't conform to his views is dismissed off-hand. How is it possible to have a reasonable discussion when this is the response given to anyone who doesn't unconditionally agree with your views, Brenski?
You write "you know what Casper? you could also be wrong you know". But Brenski - do you see the irony in that statement? Because YOU refuse to accept that you could be wrong about anything, launching into the most hostile verbal attacks when challenged on any point, by anyone. You no longer listen to arguments, your mind is made up, and anyone who does not agree with you 100% is wrong, "hypocritical", "moronic", "marxist", "anarchist". I'm fairly sure you still consider yourself a moderate, Brenski. But you are not - you are fast becoming an extremist. That's worrying, because I know for a fact that you're not stupid. Why are you no longer willing to even consider the possibility that people on the other side of the fence are well-intentioned and decent human beings who simply happen to disagree with you, sometimes to a greater and sometimes to a lesser extent?
Alex Jones is a delusional, manipulative, cretin, who doubles as a snake oil salesman. He actually peddles products which are supposed to detoxify you etc. on his YouTube shows (which seem to be updated a million times a day). He's beyond being a conspiracy theorist - he deliberately agitates and misinforms, under the guise of providing "the truth". [/QUOTE]
I couldn't agree more.
You might as well quote The Onion as a truthful information source over Info Wars.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. Sadly, with people becoming more critical of "main stream media" (and to some extent rightly so), many are now uncritically believing anything they find on "alternative media", especially if it fits in with their preconceptions.
I've been a regular visitor to snopes.com for years (if you don't know it, it's a fact-checking website that looks into rumours, urban legends and the like), and the past year or two, the number of fake news stories going viral has completely exploded. In some cases, they're malicious hoaxes or really nasty propaganda from extremist groups, but very often, they're clearly identifiable satirical stories that people nevertheless fall for by the busload. It seems to me that a large group of people believes that being critical means disbelieving everything that sounds official and believing everything that doesn't.
