queen79luca
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queen79luca
No one says Trump is safe..it s risk without doubt.
Personally I think Obama was one of the worst Us president ever..and Clinton will follow his path.
Personally I think Obama was one of the worst Us president ever..and Clinton will follow his path.
Oscar J
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[b]queen79luca wrote: [/b] Not sure or Don t want to admit?
I am sure if was Bush still on charge..He will be considered a war-man..With all the pacifists marching against him..
I never saw these pacifists marching through the Obama administration...
It s typical double standard moral[/QUOTE]
I am not sure how Obama has anything to do with Trump being a fascist. Sigh.
[b]queen79luca wrote: [/b] Not sure or Don t want to admit?
I am sure if was Bush still on charge..He will be considered a war-man..With all the pacifists marching against him..
I never saw these pacifists marching through the Obama administration...
It s typical double standard moral[/QUOTE]
I am not sure how Obama has anything to do with Trump being a fascist. Sigh.
thomasquinn 32989
If you think Obama was one of the worst presidents ever, you quite simply don't know too many presidents. To name just a few TERRIBLE presidents: Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Warren Harding, Herbert Hoover. There are at least twenty thoroughly mediocre presidents you've never heard of.
Obama will be ranked at or near the top of the second quintile or the bottom of the first quintile, no doubt whatsoever. As to Trump - he's a professional con-artist. His many bankruptcies and his many fake businesses (Trump University, Trump Steak...), his close mafia ties in Atlantic City (there was a whole book published in the '90s about his ties to the Genovese mafia family. Trump sued for libel but couldn't win), his track record of making stuff up as he goes along on the campaign trail, flat-out contradicting himself from night to night, his refusal to publish his tax records and his constant flirtations with the extreme right, from refusing to disavow David Duke (and pretending not to know him when he had distanced himself from Duke a few years before) to using an anti-Hillary graphic harvested from a neo-nazi anti-semitic website - he is a flat-out crook. I'm 100% sure that he doesn't believe in the inflamatory BS he's peddling, but he's only too glad to exploit a sucker. And suckers there are a-plenty, and they're falling in line behind Trump en masse.
Even if he won, what would he do? Half 'his' party doesn't support him, and the Democrats surely won't lift a finger to help him out. That'd be a FOUR YEAR lame-duck presidency instead of a few months!
Obama will be ranked at or near the top of the second quintile or the bottom of the first quintile, no doubt whatsoever. As to Trump - he's a professional con-artist. His many bankruptcies and his many fake businesses (Trump University, Trump Steak...), his close mafia ties in Atlantic City (there was a whole book published in the '90s about his ties to the Genovese mafia family. Trump sued for libel but couldn't win), his track record of making stuff up as he goes along on the campaign trail, flat-out contradicting himself from night to night, his refusal to publish his tax records and his constant flirtations with the extreme right, from refusing to disavow David Duke (and pretending not to know him when he had distanced himself from Duke a few years before) to using an anti-Hillary graphic harvested from a neo-nazi anti-semitic website - he is a flat-out crook. I'm 100% sure that he doesn't believe in the inflamatory BS he's peddling, but he's only too glad to exploit a sucker. And suckers there are a-plenty, and they're falling in line behind Trump en masse.
Even if he won, what would he do? Half 'his' party doesn't support him, and the Democrats surely won't lift a finger to help him out. That'd be a FOUR YEAR lame-duck presidency instead of a few months!
queen79luca
Obama was welcomed as something new and fresh.
I think with some intellectual honesty the results are not so good as thought.
Say no to Trump just for political view I think it s poor to be honest
If u like political correctness ..I Don t thanks
Regarding Queen and Watc they do what they want with their music.
I think with some intellectual honesty the results are not so good as thought.
Say no to Trump just for political view I think it s poor to be honest
If u like political correctness ..I Don t thanks
Regarding Queen and Watc they do what they want with their music.
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]queen79luca wrote:[/b]
Personally I think Obama was one of the worst Us president ever..[/QUOTE]
Authorized the military operation that resulted in the death of Osama bin Laden in 2011.
Banned gifts from lobbyists to anyone in the Executive Branch.
Improved the Freedom of Information Act and issued new guidelines to make FOIA more open and transparent when processing FOIA requests.
In 2010, more jobs were created than had been created during Bush’s eight years.
Ordered all federal contractors to pay a minimum wage of $10.10 per hour, leading the way to a national increase.
As of January 2016, a record 64 consecutive months of overall job growth.
Oversaw a reduction in the federal budget deficit by two-thirds since taking office.
Ordered 65 executives who took bailout money to cut their own pay until they paid back all bailout money.
Put an end to "don't ask, don't tell"
Thanks to the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, inflation in the healthcare sector dropped to its lowest point in 50 years (and about 30 million more people have health care now).
But why let facts get in the way of rhetoric?
Personally I think Obama was one of the worst Us president ever..[/QUOTE]
Authorized the military operation that resulted in the death of Osama bin Laden in 2011.
Banned gifts from lobbyists to anyone in the Executive Branch.
Improved the Freedom of Information Act and issued new guidelines to make FOIA more open and transparent when processing FOIA requests.
In 2010, more jobs were created than had been created during Bush’s eight years.
Ordered all federal contractors to pay a minimum wage of $10.10 per hour, leading the way to a national increase.
As of January 2016, a record 64 consecutive months of overall job growth.
Oversaw a reduction in the federal budget deficit by two-thirds since taking office.
Ordered 65 executives who took bailout money to cut their own pay until they paid back all bailout money.
Put an end to "don't ask, don't tell"
Thanks to the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, inflation in the healthcare sector dropped to its lowest point in 50 years (and about 30 million more people have health care now).
But why let facts get in the way of rhetoric?
RS_Protos
Obama did the same thing, exploited suckers with his own BS. Biggest BS artist of them all.
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]
I'm 100% sure that he doesn't believe in the inflamatory BS he's peddling, but he's only too glad to exploit a sucker. And suckers there are a-plenty, and they're falling in line behind Trump en masse.[/QUOTE]
It's scary, but it's just plain interesting at the same time. What would he actually do? He has no idea of how to run a country.
All he has done is prove that he can reach the lowest common denominator with divisiveness and fear tactics.
But it is still a stroke of genius - he has mastered the art of reaching people on an emotional level. But perhaps that's easier when your base is the ignorant, not the intelligencia.
I'm 100% sure that he doesn't believe in the inflamatory BS he's peddling, but he's only too glad to exploit a sucker. And suckers there are a-plenty, and they're falling in line behind Trump en masse.[/QUOTE]
It's scary, but it's just plain interesting at the same time. What would he actually do? He has no idea of how to run a country.
All he has done is prove that he can reach the lowest common denominator with divisiveness and fear tactics.
But it is still a stroke of genius - he has mastered the art of reaching people on an emotional level. But perhaps that's easier when your base is the ignorant, not the intelligencia.
RS_Protos
"But perhaps that's easier when your base is the ignorant, not the intelligencia."
Obama did the same thing, think about it.
Well he did reward them though I have to admit, all time high in food stamp percentage ever.........
Obama did the same thing, think about it.
Well he did reward them though I have to admit, all time high in food stamp percentage ever.........
AlbaNo1
Obama genuinely gives the impression he is a good person which is where the great hope came from.Obama reopened diplomatic relations with Cuba as well. Thus beginning the end of one the more risible stances of the self appointed world leading nation. Freedom is ok if you conform to a particular democratic capitalism.
Oscar J
The Real Wizard: don't forget he saw same sex marriage legalisation through.
RS_Protos: Why keep talking about Obama? What he did or didn't do doesn't make Trump any less of a fascist, sexist and dangerous man. It's becoming rather obvious that you don't really have much good to say about Trump, when you're constantly trying to switch subjects to Clinton and Obama.
Sure, he's "politically incorrect, he speaks his mind" etc. Which in some ignorant peoples minds is enough to be leading the worlds most powerful nation.
RS_Protos: Why keep talking about Obama? What he did or didn't do doesn't make Trump any less of a fascist, sexist and dangerous man. It's becoming rather obvious that you don't really have much good to say about Trump, when you're constantly trying to switch subjects to Clinton and Obama.
Sure, he's "politically incorrect, he speaks his mind" etc. Which in some ignorant peoples minds is enough to be leading the worlds most powerful nation.
thomasquinn 32989
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[b]The Real Wizard wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]
I'm 100% sure that he doesn't believe in the inflamatory BS he's peddling, but he's only too glad to exploit a sucker. And suckers there are a-plenty, and they're falling in line behind Trump en masse.[/QUOTE]
It's scary, but it's just plain interesting at the same time. What would he actually do? He has no idea of how to run a country.
All he has done is prove that he can reach the lowest common denominator with divisiveness and fear tactics.
But it is still a stroke of genius - he has mastered the art of reaching people on an emotional level. But perhaps that's easier when your base is the ignorant, not the intelligencia. [/QUOTE]
I am honestly starting to doubt whether he believes he can win. Choosing Mike Pence as a running mate will please those who would've voted Republican regardless, but is unlikely to bring in anyone who's an independent or a conservative Democrat. The whole campaign is messy, and the convention is chaotic in a way that hasn't been seen since the '68 Democratic convention. Flukes like his wife blatantly plagiarizing Michelle Obama and Ted Cruz giving a speech in which he refuses to explicitly endorse Trump would be unthinkable in any normal year. The shady far-right references in his campaign so far won't do him any good except with his unconditional base, and his failure to outline ANY concrete policies (plus his tendency to promise contradictory things) will not attract independents, who cast the deciding votes in important swing states in every election.
If (when?) Trump loses, it won't hurt him - he can lay the blame elsewhere, and strengthen his 'brand' much like other right wing populists who consistently lose do (Geert Wilders!). I would not be surprised if this whole campaign is a business move to attract free publicity and a politicized consumer base. We know for a fact that a large part of the campaign finances flow right back into Trump's coffers through payments to businesses of his (he's essentially laundering his own money), so the campaign isn't costing him as much as would appear at first sight. His business ventures had been doing rather poorly for a number of years, so this might just be a marketing move - that would explain the extreme amount of 'advertising' for his products he snuck into his campaign so far.
If Trump loses, that might be just as dangerous as Trump winning. His voter-base is susceptible to conspiracy theories, to which he frequently resorts and will believe they have been cheated. That could cause a reaction not entirely unlike Southern "massive resistance" to Kennedy/Johnson turning out more pro-Civil Rigths than the South had thought.
[b]The Real Wizard wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]
I'm 100% sure that he doesn't believe in the inflamatory BS he's peddling, but he's only too glad to exploit a sucker. And suckers there are a-plenty, and they're falling in line behind Trump en masse.[/QUOTE]
It's scary, but it's just plain interesting at the same time. What would he actually do? He has no idea of how to run a country.
All he has done is prove that he can reach the lowest common denominator with divisiveness and fear tactics.
But it is still a stroke of genius - he has mastered the art of reaching people on an emotional level. But perhaps that's easier when your base is the ignorant, not the intelligencia. [/QUOTE]
I am honestly starting to doubt whether he believes he can win. Choosing Mike Pence as a running mate will please those who would've voted Republican regardless, but is unlikely to bring in anyone who's an independent or a conservative Democrat. The whole campaign is messy, and the convention is chaotic in a way that hasn't been seen since the '68 Democratic convention. Flukes like his wife blatantly plagiarizing Michelle Obama and Ted Cruz giving a speech in which he refuses to explicitly endorse Trump would be unthinkable in any normal year. The shady far-right references in his campaign so far won't do him any good except with his unconditional base, and his failure to outline ANY concrete policies (plus his tendency to promise contradictory things) will not attract independents, who cast the deciding votes in important swing states in every election.
If (when?) Trump loses, it won't hurt him - he can lay the blame elsewhere, and strengthen his 'brand' much like other right wing populists who consistently lose do (Geert Wilders!). I would not be surprised if this whole campaign is a business move to attract free publicity and a politicized consumer base. We know for a fact that a large part of the campaign finances flow right back into Trump's coffers through payments to businesses of his (he's essentially laundering his own money), so the campaign isn't costing him as much as would appear at first sight. His business ventures had been doing rather poorly for a number of years, so this might just be a marketing move - that would explain the extreme amount of 'advertising' for his products he snuck into his campaign so far.
If Trump loses, that might be just as dangerous as Trump winning. His voter-base is susceptible to conspiracy theories, to which he frequently resorts and will believe they have been cheated. That could cause a reaction not entirely unlike Southern "massive resistance" to Kennedy/Johnson turning out more pro-Civil Rigths than the South had thought.
*goodco*
(still curious why this hasn't gone to the Personal section)
Anyhoo.....Drumpf: the only person who could say anything that made me sympathetic towards Joe McCarthy, Jr....aka Ted Cruz (repeated attacks on his wife's looks, saying that his dad teamed up with Oswald before the Kennedy assassination). Just what I want: a bipolar, narcissistic egomaniacal bully, with a firm grasp of reality, who gets his news from The National Enquirer (or Weekly World News).
Failed businesses, four bankruptcies, mob ties, Mike Tyson's former manager, 'let's give more countries nukes' and then 'we'll nuke ISIS'. Yup, I've always loved his knowledge of the world.
Anyhoo.....Drumpf: the only person who could say anything that made me sympathetic towards Joe McCarthy, Jr....aka Ted Cruz (repeated attacks on his wife's looks, saying that his dad teamed up with Oswald before the Kennedy assassination). Just what I want: a bipolar, narcissistic egomaniacal bully, with a firm grasp of reality, who gets his news from The National Enquirer (or Weekly World News).
Failed businesses, four bankruptcies, mob ties, Mike Tyson's former manager, 'let's give more countries nukes' and then 'we'll nuke ISIS'. Yup, I've always loved his knowledge of the world.
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]RS_Protos wrote:[/b]
"But perhaps that's easier when your base is the ignorant, not the intelligencia."
Obama did the same thing, think about it.
Well he did reward them though I have to admit, all time high in food stamp percentage ever.........[/QUOTE]
That's your best argument?
Of course the price is higher - everything gets "more expensive" with inflation and the cost of living going up. But you have you look at it relatively.
This article is from 2012, but it states how it's cheaper than ever after adjustment for inflation:
https://www.aei.org/publication/think-food-is-more-expensive-today-than-in-the-past-its-not-its-now-cheaper-than-ever-before
This is why the right have become completely irrelevant. They have had nothing to offer towards any intelligent debate since the Reagan era. All they have left is talking points that are easily debunked with the most basic of research.
Please stop being part of the problem. Think before talking crap and prioritizing partisan mudslinging over rational exchange of ideas.
"But perhaps that's easier when your base is the ignorant, not the intelligencia."
Obama did the same thing, think about it.
Well he did reward them though I have to admit, all time high in food stamp percentage ever.........[/QUOTE]
That's your best argument?
Of course the price is higher - everything gets "more expensive" with inflation and the cost of living going up. But you have you look at it relatively.
This article is from 2012, but it states how it's cheaper than ever after adjustment for inflation:
https://www.aei.org/publication/think-food-is-more-expensive-today-than-in-the-past-its-not-its-now-cheaper-than-ever-before
This is why the right have become completely irrelevant. They have had nothing to offer towards any intelligent debate since the Reagan era. All they have left is talking points that are easily debunked with the most basic of research.
Please stop being part of the problem. Think before talking crap and prioritizing partisan mudslinging over rational exchange of ideas.
The Fairy King
Gotta love how the GOP electorate use the same bullshit arguments everywhere...i guess we're not safe from the knights of bullshit mountain anywhere.
It's really interesting to see how they go to lengths to spread their misguided ideas...now they even make an account on a Queenforum? :D
It's really interesting to see how they go to lengths to spread their misguided ideas...now they even make an account on a Queenforum? :D