[b]The Real Wizard wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]Panchgani wrote:[/b]
I am not so sure that the US or UK will be OK.
Asia will be OK. Asian students are preferred by the University of Illinois - Urbana because they are willing to pay the full $50,000 per year price tag. In the Engineering and Business colleges, only the top 5% of American high school have good enough test scores to qualify for entry into University of Ilinois -
Urbana
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Those Asians aren't in Asia - they're in the US. How does that somehow mean the US won't be OK?
It just means the successful ones won't be a white majority anymore.
Does it ultimately matter that the demographic of successful Americans is changing to different skin colours? [/QUOTE]
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There are not enough asians to offset the general educational decline in the US (particularly in math and science).[/QUOTE]
True - but that won't be the case forever. More immigrants will come in as white people die off.
But again, that thinking is probably reserved for November 8, 2016 and prior. If the US swings in the direction Trump wants it to, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a mass exodus of young people, especially to Europe where there are plenty of opportunities for free education. And maybe the US will look less attractive a place to immigrate to.
So maybe it'll turn out you're right.
Saint Jiub · Member since
[i]Barely half (52%) of undocumented immigrants have a high school diploma. It is no wonder that "state and local governments spend more on unauthorized immigrants than they collect in revenues from that population." [/i]
[b]The foreign-born population consisted of 40.7 million people in 2012.[/b] Broken down by immigration status, the foreign-born population was composed of 18.6 million naturalized U.S. citizens and 22.1 million noncitizens in 2012. Of the noncitizens, approximately 13.3 million were legal permanent residents, [b]11.3 million were unauthorized migrants, [/b]and 1.9 million were on temporary visas.
More than half of the undocumented immigrant population has a high school degree or higher. According to a 2009 Pew Research Center’s Hispanic Trends Project study, [b]52 percent of undocumented immigrants have a high school diploma[/b] or higher and 15 percent have a bachelor’s degree or higher.
[b]The tax revenues that unauthorized immigrants generate for state and local governments do not offset the total cost of services provided to those immigrants. [/b] Most of the estimates found that even though unauthorized immigrants pay taxes and other fees to state and local jurisdictions, the resulting revenues offset only a portion of the costs incurred by those jurisdictions for providing services related to education, health care, and law enforcement. Although it is difficult to obtain precise estimates of the net impact of the unauthorized population on state and local budgets (see Box 1), that impact is most likely modest. Federal aid programs offer resources to state and local governments that provide services to unauthorized immigrants, but those funds do not fully cover the costs incurred by those governments. Some of the reports that CBO examined did not include such federal transfers when estimating the net effect of the unauthorized population on state and local governments.
Among Pew’s other findings: [b]Members of unauthorized families were typically much younger and less educated than members of families composed of legal immigrants and U.S. citizens. [/b]
Education is the largest single expenditure in state and local budgets. Current estimates indicate that about [b]2 million schoolage children (5 to 17 years old) in the United States are unauthorized immigrants[/b]; [b]an additional 3 million children are U.S. citizens born to unauthorized immigrants.[/b]33 According to the most recent population data released by the Census Bureau, as of July 2006, there were [b]53.3 million school-age children[/b] in the United States.34
Immigrants in the United States, both authorized and unauthorized, are less likely than their native-born counterparts to have health insurance. 37 As a result, they are more likely to rely on emergency rooms or public clinics for health care. The federal government requires health facilities that receive federal assistance to provide a certain level of service to residents, regardless of their ability to pay for such medical services or their immigration status. The amount of uncompensated care provided by some state and local governments is growing because an increasing number of unauthorized immigrants are using those services. [b]According to a report commissioned by the United States/Mexico Border Counties Coalition, in 2000, county governments that share a border with Mexico incurred almost $190 million in costs for providing uncompensated care to unauthorized immigrants; that figure represented about one-quarter of all uncompensated health costs incurred by those governments in that year.38 [/b]
[b]However, the number of unauthorized immigrants in some state and local criminal justice systems adds significantly to law enforcement costs. [/b] For example, in 2001, the United States/Mexico Border Counties Coalition reported that law enforcement activities involving unauthorized immigrants in four states— California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas—cost some county governments that share a border with Mexico a combined total of more than $108 million in 1999.41 Of the counties included in the report, [b]San Diego County incurred the largest cost, spending over $50 million that year, or almost half of all estimated costs incurred by the border counties. That amount represented about 9 percent of San Diego County’s total spending ($541 million) for law enforcement activities that year. [/b]
Recent estimates indicate that annual costs for unauthorized immigrants in Colorado were between $217 million and $225 million for education, Medicaid, and corrections.42 By comparison, taxes collected from unauthorized immigrants at both the state and local levels amounted to an estimated $159 million to $194 million annually.43
The available estimates of the budgetary impact of unauthorized immigrants vary greatly in their timing and scope. [b]Most of the studies that include both revenues and costs for multiple programs show that state and local governments spend more on unauthorized immigrants than they collect in revenues from that population.[/b]
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The Real Wizard · Member since
Well, that's what happens when you have a giant border. People flock in if your country is slightly better than theirs.
All drops in the bucket compared to bailouts and the military industrial complex.
Saint Jiub · Member since
Another problem with undocumented immigrants ... Discrimination against African-Americans by temporary employment agencies ...
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The US is going to suck for a few decades, and the uneducated white people will die off, kind of like attrition in the workplace.
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If a certain POTUS (or his supporters) had said this or something similar, they would be called all kinda names.
The Real Wizard · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]ParisNair wrote:[/b]
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The US is going to suck for a few decades, and the uneducated white people will die off, kind of like attrition in the workplace.
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If a certain POTUS (or his supporters) had said this or something similar, they would be called all kinda names.[/QUOTE]
Good thing I'm just some guy on a forum, and not the president .. !
ParisNair · Member since
Man that's a poor attempt at justifying away your own double standards.
The Real Wizard · Member since
But I'm not wrong.
The American education system sucks. The climate is now one that sees 2/3 of its population living by third world standards. Mass ignorance and lack of political will to stand up to corporate and religious lobbyists have kept the US from adapting to the progress of the rest of the civilized world, and the result is tens of thousands of ghost towns in what used to be a strong working class nation. One in ten Americans still think the sun goes around the earth, and people maul over one another literally to death at Black Friday sales. The entire system is to blame.
If the US is going to be a world leader again, it will be because people from other countries show up to bring the innovation. It's not going to come from people with grade four educations whose only qualifications are to work in coal mines or factories that don't exist anymore. With the exception of Silicon Valley, the US is long past its expiry date in terms of participation in the 21st century. The rest of the civilized countries have surpassed them in one way or another.
If the president (or anyone) said this in the open, I'd be the first to applaud them, not malign them.
MisterCosmicc · Member since
It’s interesting to read this thread.
Trump... BIG FAIL. Shame on those who voted for him. M
