Rank the partial Queen downfall, especially in the states

during the 80's we saw a dip in their music, their creativity, their ilves and so forth. Rank some of these factors in importance to the downfall of the band.

Paul Prenter

Michael Jackson influence

Record deal with Capital records and the issues with the company

I want to Break Free video

Freddie caring about about partying and having just worrying about going out and having gay sex all the time and less interested in music which led to less creativity and not caring as much about the music he was makiing

His solo record Mr. Bad Guy. If you see in some bio's you hear that he really wanted a solo career and wated his record to sell more than Queen records and basically spit in the band's faces and say he was bigger than anyone buy when it failed he was embarrassed and realized that he failed.

This is my list. Feel free to rank or discuss or add to it.

OMG, another Newbie with a stupid post,

Whats your next question? When did Fred know that he had Aids?

"This is my list. Feel free to rank or discuss or add to it."

No. Shut up.

fuck you then. It is a legitimate question. If you don't want to discuss it then fuk off

Sorry to piss on your parade but don't ask the same question for the millionth time.....

Basically, they can blame the record company or whoever else but the point when Queen 'lost' America was Hot Space

They miscalculated the market and thought the funk stuff would sell, and it just might have had it been a decent well-written album produced by an authentic R and B producer

They lost fans there because most rock fans think the album was a turd and didn't trust Queen to make a better one next time

Pity....

I appreciate you taking the time to mention that Freddie was having gay sex, as opposed to healthy hetero sex.

Yeah. If only he hadn't been such a homo.

not mentioned, but for the umpteenth time x a thousand, and to answer for everyone else, here are the three main reasons

Hot Space
Hot Space
Hot Space

if only they'd labeled hot space properly

SIDE A: SNATCH

SIDE B: ASS


then it would have been a forerunner ahead of its time as a new type of concept album. After all, I believe that may have been the "hot space" they were referring to.

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(not a direct quote)

Stop being a dick, whoever's being a dick. The question is legit, and it's never quite been framed like this.

Mr Bad Guy was way later on, so that's unrelated. And Break Free probably wasn't a big deal either, as Queen likely weren't getting much airtime on MTV. Hair bands were.

It's unlikely that MJ had much more of an influence on them besides suggesting to release Dust as a single. And if we're measuring success in numbers, that's certainly not a bad thing !

Freddie's partying lifestyle got in the way of his creativity, but the rest of the band picked up the slack - all of their big hits between 80 and 86 (minus Under Pressure and One Vision, both collaborative) were written by the others.

The remaining categories can be divided into business and public, and really can't be easily measured since they have such different roles to play in a band's success.

It largely comes down to Hot Space. Side 1 of that album left a foul taste in most Queen fans' mouths in the US. People still would've come out to the shows had they toured for The Works, but Prenter severed most of their US relationships in a single blow, so it's one of those things we'll never know. The choices for singles certainly didn't help, either - Brian's distinctive guitar sound hadn't been heard on the radio since 1978, and by the time One Vision came out they were just so far off the radar. A good chunk of their fans were listening to Judas Priest and Iron Maiden by then.

So I'd say Hot Space and various business decisions are equally to blame.

[QUOTE] [b]Kuijpy wrote:[/b]

OMG, another Newbie with a stupid post,

Whats your next question? When did Fred know that he had Aids?[/QUOTE]

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Did Freddie had aids? Way no...


Where's John deacon? Used to see him at the local stripclub . Guess he ran out of money.

Another factor was bad luck with regard to the film projects they attached themselves to...both Flash Gordon & Highlander were pretty good films (IMO), but both were relative flops in the US...if they had been big ceinema hits this may well have brought a greater return for the band.

Yep. The Real Wizard brings some sense to this. Also a factor is the band was past their 10th anniversary... many bands tried to change to keep with the times. Queen didn't have a statewide hit and their INITIAL audience was 10 years older.

the attempt to catch on didn't work in 82, and pop fan bases and teenagers were discovering Prince, Michael Jackson (he never left), The Cure, goth stuff, DEPECHE MODE, whatever. .. so there was also a pitfall thing going on generation wise.

and just like the wizard says, rock crowds went on to (mostly) better things.

HIGHLANDER didn't catch on like it ought to have, so a tremendous song WWTLF didn't make much noise in the states. In fact a lot of critics derided it over here and said the story "made no sense"

so what Queen were likely left with were:

loyal fans that didn't have children by now
fans from 1982/The SNL show
emerging curiosity from Science Fiction fanboys (flash/highlander)
placement in a trending film fad (TOP GUN style movie: IRON EAGLE)


without a contemporary sound and without credible ROCKERS for the rock and roll audience - they kept straddling the pop fences as it were - in an international sense.

it got away, they floundered. Maybe if there had been some standard rock and roll on a few of the 80's albums they'd have had something.

only thing that refreshed the memory was IWIA in 1989.

Of course all this stuff is speculation.

Also: artistically, while others were writing songs of reflection on their current times, Queen were uncontroversial. The closest they got was Is This the World We Created. .?


so even Rush had subdivisions, Priest had Out in the Cold, Whitesnake had babes, hairspray and T&A and air presence, Crue had the same, only with younger sluttier fans, and the emerging Slayer, Megadeth, Metallica had a more aggressive, isolated and jock following.

my two cents say there wasn't much of an interest in grandiose love songs and retro girl group pop (pain is so close. .) etc


so the way I see it they lost the rock crowd, lost the loner crowd, lost the art rock crowd (that likes good music regardless) with hot space, lost radio and tv presence, didn't keep up with the times, didn't play rock and roll on new albums, and just lost the significance.


just cause these topics come up again doesn't mean people should be immediately spat on, ...it just tends to happen here.

It's a decent question, not sure why all the hate. I think the biggest factor was that the quality of their music just dropped. Hot Space was the epitome of all this.

Also it was hard for them to maintain the huge level of popularity they had previously. It's hard for all bands. But they bounced back, and even now they're still one of the best known bands in the world with some of the most loved songs.