Rank the partial Queen downfall, especially in the states

When I originally said all the gay sex, I meant he did more and more partying with always clubbing in Munich and NYC at the start of 81-82. All he cared about was picking up men and going out and thus less concentrated on the band.

[QUOTE] [b]goose44 wrote:[/b]

When I originally said all the gay sex, I meant he did more and more partying with always clubbing in Munich and NYC at the start of 81-82. All he cared about was picking up men and going out and thus less concentrated on the band.[/QUOTE]

Sure, but no need to highlight that the sex is gay. That's what seemed to offend people.

Gay marriage is now marriage in the civilized world, so gay sex should be sex. There should be no need to differentiate it.

That's right, sex is sex, no need to qualify it.

I notice Body Language is actually Queens fifth highest charting US single.

What happened . Only non Queen fans bought it and the real Queen fans went in the huff for 10 years ?

Hot Space of course! Yea, Body Language did well on the charts, but the song and the album drove rock fans away from the band. I was only 11 at the time, but I do remember Hot Space being talked about negatively. They were still popular at that point, then after Hot Space they were never mentioned again, though GA Ga did manage to hit the top 40 in 84. Priest went through this stage with Turbo, the album sold well because of the past classic album, but it drove away Metal fans. the next album and tour were a failure. Turbo almost ruined Priest , 2 albums later they put out the excellent Painkiller. The fans came back. Queen needed a classic album after HS, but instead came back with The Works And Then A Kind Of Magic. By the time Innuendo came out it was to late.

I don't think anyone should've been offended by the use of the term 'gay sex'.

Queen was the only band in early 80s, where they had cathed some of the forthcoming music directiond that took place in this decade.

The dance Rock of Michael Jackson, Queen did that with AOBTD and Damon Attack, Dancer, Back Chart etc,.

The power and cheesy Ballads...

The hard rock songs with synths like the hero, football fight.

So they had to make a choice but it was a mixed bag...

I agree that less guitar, Rock songs, and solid albums was one of the big factors for losing the States.

The other factors were bad PR, no tour policy and early 1984 record industry Payola.

The Works album is the best example of the bad PR, the record industry problem and no touring.
It was going higher every week on the charts, the same Radio Ga Ga, and the all the above along with banning Break Free from MTv, took place and Queen lost USA

I here ya Dysan.

it's going too far.



to add: suppose someone said the expression "sexual intercourse" .... well, that is still defined as penile insertion into a vaginal orifice. Namely because it originated in procreation of the species. I wish this PC thing would use discretion before it had gotten this silly.



the use was merely descriptive.

Having been a big fan way back when, my sense is that the downfall started with Jazz, it was the first album that started to feel formulaic and there was nothing groundbreaking, like there had been on all the previous releases.

Although The Game was huge in the US, it was with a totally new audience, the old rock fans were already going or gone. Add that to the fact that the homophobic population at the time were for some reason OK with androgyny, but when Freddie leathered up and sported a Village People mustache it was too much. I personally think Hot Space and the I Want to Break Free video, were both well after the core had already been lost.

[QUOTE] [b]rschoorl wrote:[/b]

Having been a big fan way back when, my sense is that the downfall started with Jazz, it was the first album that started to feel formulaic and there was nothing groundbreaking, like there had been on all the previous releases.

Although The Game was huge in the US, it was with a totally new audience, the old rock fans were already going or gone. Add that to the fact that the homophobic population at the time were for some reason OK with androgyny, but when Freddie leathered up and sported a Village People mustache it was too much. I personally think Hot Space and the I Want to Break Free video, were both well after the core had already been lost.[/QUOTE]

That pretty much sums it up! The old fans of the first 6 albums were mostly lost when they heard The Game, though they did make a lot of new fans. In all honesty I think The Game is one those albums that most of old fans enjoy today. Dragon Attack was never a hit, but pretty popular on rock radio in my area. Then Hot Space came out and they lost the new and old fans. At that point they needed to put out an updated version of their classic albums to regain their fans. The Works was ok, but far from a classic, it still could have had a 2nd top 40 hit and sold better if they toured and picked Hammer to Fall or Hard life as a single. I don't think the homophobia thing had an impact, that's the only thing I disagree with you on. Did you see Freddie in the 70's?

[QUOTE] [b]Dim wrote:[/b]

Queen was the only band in early 80s, where they had cathed some of the forthcoming music directiond that took place in this decade.

The dance Rock of Michael Jackson, Queen did that with AOBTD and Damon Attack, Dancer, Back Chart etc,.

The power and cheesy Ballads...

The hard rock songs with synths like the hero, football fight.

So they had to make a choice but it was a mixed bag...

I agree that less guitar, Rock songs, and solid albums was one of the big factors for losing the States.

The other factors were bad PR, no tour policy and early 1984 record industry Payola.

The Works album is the best example of the bad PR, the record industry problem and no touring.
It was going higher every week on the charts, the same Radio Ga Ga, and the all the above along with banning Break Free from MTv, took place and Queen lost USA
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I feel the Works should have been more successful In the States. Think a less popular version of The Game. Ga Ga was a minor hit without the benefit of a tour.

[QUOTE] [b]matt z wrote:[/b]

I here ya Dysan.

it's going too far.

to add: suppose someone said the expression "sexual intercourse" .... well, that is still defined as penile insertion into a vaginal orifice. Namely because it originated in procreation of the species. I wish this PC thing would use discretion before it had gotten this silly.

the use was merely descriptive.[/QUOTE]

Well I agree that PC may go too far in some cases but I do not agree that 'sexual intercourse' always means 'heterosexual sexual intercourse'. It could refer to 'homosexual sexual intercourse' depending on the context.

And not sure the expression 'sexual intercourse' is linked to procreation. The heterosexual sexual intercourse act certainly is. But the non specific expression??

In the same way that 'anal intercourse' doesn't have to be exclusively gay. Take a look at a straight porn web site

The point is that in the context of referring to FM during that period there was no need to put 'gay' before sex. We all know that, being a gay man, the sex he would be having was 'gay'. By highlighting it it almost sounds as if that makes his promiscuity worse than if he was shagging women.

The party scene did take something out of his creativity. Maybe early on he was able too party and get away with it, I like 7 of his 8 songs on Jazz and The Game, but like everything it catches up to you. Later on when he stopped Partying he was back again, and trying new things on Barcelona.

Is it true what Mack has said regarding Hot Space.... that if they waited a few months, better produce the album then it's reception would be really that different ?

Yea, would of been better. Listen to the live versions of these songs. Much better than the studio.