Dark-El
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4T2-NT8WwKI
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dysan
I think Chief Mouse has his work cut out with that one.
brians wig
It almost sucks to me of whoever uploaded it has purposefully degraded the first section for some reason.
That time counter has certainly been added on at a later point.
That time counter has certainly been added on at a later point.
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]brians wig wrote:[/b]
It almost sucks to me of whoever uploaded it has purposefully degraded the first section for some reason.
That time counter has certainly been added on at a later point.[/QUOTE]
Correct. That is not an old school analog counter.
And people wonder why there is so much hatred towards collectors - here is exhibit A.
It almost sucks to me of whoever uploaded it has purposefully degraded the first section for some reason.
That time counter has certainly been added on at a later point.[/QUOTE]
Correct. That is not an old school analog counter.
And people wonder why there is so much hatred towards collectors - here is exhibit A.
Barry Durex
You really think this has been PURPOSELY degraded?
Chinwonder2
I don't know about the black and white section of video but definitely the time counter has been added in after...
I just find it strange that all of a sudden the tape turns to colour and there isn't any tape error after that...
-Chin
I just find it strange that all of a sudden the tape turns to colour and there isn't any tape error after that...
-Chin
guild93
[QUOTE] [b]Barry Durex wrote:[/b]
You really think this has been PURPOSELY degraded?[/QUOTE]
No I don't, to me it's obvious there was a tape fault early in the song which is why they replaced that same section on the Days of Our Lives doco.
You really think this has been PURPOSELY degraded?[/QUOTE]
No I don't, to me it's obvious there was a tape fault early in the song which is why they replaced that same section on the Days of Our Lives doco.
Barry Durex
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]brians wig wrote:[/b]
It almost sucks to me of whoever uploaded it has purposefully degraded the first section for some reason.
That time counter has certainly been added on at a later point.[/QUOTE]
Correct. That is not an old school analog counter.
And people wonder why there is so much hatred towards collectors - here is exhibit A.
[/QUOTE]
Why would it be an old school counter? The TCR was generated by the edit machine used a few years back, it's not on the original tape itself! Although a TCR can be turned off during a transfer, in this case it was simply left on. I wouldn't say the guy who uploaded the clip is guilty of anything sinister, including purposely degrading it. What you are seeing is an unedited 4:3 dub, and all things being considered, pretty good it looks too.
[QUOTE] [b]brians wig wrote:[/b]
It almost sucks to me of whoever uploaded it has purposefully degraded the first section for some reason.
That time counter has certainly been added on at a later point.[/QUOTE]
Correct. That is not an old school analog counter.
And people wonder why there is so much hatred towards collectors - here is exhibit A.
[/QUOTE]
Why would it be an old school counter? The TCR was generated by the edit machine used a few years back, it's not on the original tape itself! Although a TCR can be turned off during a transfer, in this case it was simply left on. I wouldn't say the guy who uploaded the clip is guilty of anything sinister, including purposely degrading it. What you are seeing is an unedited 4:3 dub, and all things being considered, pretty good it looks too.
Barry Durex
A widescreen edit was used for the DOOL documentary so the TCR being there didn't matter anyway, it was simply cropped out.
pittrek
The timecode is 100% CG. The noise on first glance looks genuine, but why is it so blocky, which would suggest digital compression and ABOVE IT (on the z-axis, not sure what the correct term is) is some weird blurriness on the left and on the right.The the weird defects on 0:21 or 0:24, or even 0:42 - is it normal on video-sourced recording? I have seen similar problems with film based recording, but never personally on a video-sourced recording.
Anyway, it's great to have at least something! Does anybody have time to reduce the saturation of the red channel and do some channel alignment?
Anyway, it's great to have at least something! Does anybody have time to reduce the saturation of the red channel and do some channel alignment?
Barry Durex
[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote: [/b]The timecode is 100% CG. The noise on first glance looks genuine, but why is it so blocky, which would suggest digital compression [/QUOTE]
It's a TCR on a modern day professional studio editing machine. The youtube clip linked in the first post is only 640 x 480 and you don't expect some compression? The video and sound ''interference'' you see and hear at the start is somebody fine tuning the TV station into the VCR during the recording back in 1974. My guess is Mr. Emery didn't quite have BBC1 tuned in correctly. The manual analogue tuners on early VCR's had a habit of drifting slightly out of tune every so often, and may not of had a channel lock.
It's a TCR on a modern day professional studio editing machine. The youtube clip linked in the first post is only 640 x 480 and you don't expect some compression? The video and sound ''interference'' you see and hear at the start is somebody fine tuning the TV station into the VCR during the recording back in 1974. My guess is Mr. Emery didn't quite have BBC1 tuned in correctly. The manual analogue tuners on early VCR's had a habit of drifting slightly out of tune every so often, and may not of had a channel lock.
Barry Durex
This youtube clip was uploaded by a different user nearly a year ago, the TCR has been cropped out at this stage, but you can still see and hear the same ''interference'' at the start---
dysan
Tracking videos manually like that certainly didn't look like that in my day. Looks like a digital construct on this recording.
Barry Durex
[QUOTE] [b]dysan wrote: [/b]Tracking videos manually like that certainly didn't look like that in my day. Looks like a digital construct on this recording.[/QUOTE]
It's NOT ''tracking" that you see and hear, its the manual tuning of the TV station to the VCR. Fine tuning the channel (BBC1 in this case) in the VCR tuner can be done DURING the RECORDING process. The tracking adjustment of a TAPE is a different thing entirely, and is done during PLAY BACK. You lot will have me uploading a 1974 VCR manual next! Hopefully there is a version without a TCR burnt in, but I doubt we'll ever see it if the owner gets wind of this conspiracy thread...........exhibit A indeed.
It's NOT ''tracking" that you see and hear, its the manual tuning of the TV station to the VCR. Fine tuning the channel (BBC1 in this case) in the VCR tuner can be done DURING the RECORDING process. The tracking adjustment of a TAPE is a different thing entirely, and is done during PLAY BACK. You lot will have me uploading a 1974 VCR manual next! Hopefully there is a version without a TCR burnt in, but I doubt we'll ever see it if the owner gets wind of this conspiracy thread...........exhibit A indeed.
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]Barry Durex wrote:[/b]
Hopefully there is a version without a TCR burnt in, but I doubt we'll ever see it if the owner gets wind of this conspiracy thread...........exhibit A indeed.[/QUOTE]
Anyone remotely connected to the world of music collecting is well aware that there are countless cases of people (and not just bootleggers) purposely degrading the quality of audio and video so that they can keep a better copy for themselves.
If someone has a clean copy of this, this thread shouldn't somehow insult them - rather it's an opportunity to be one of the good guys who aren't doing that and simply offer something of value to people who will enjoy it, and no hard feelings.
Hopefully there is a version without a TCR burnt in, but I doubt we'll ever see it if the owner gets wind of this conspiracy thread...........exhibit A indeed.[/QUOTE]
Anyone remotely connected to the world of music collecting is well aware that there are countless cases of people (and not just bootleggers) purposely degrading the quality of audio and video so that they can keep a better copy for themselves.
If someone has a clean copy of this, this thread shouldn't somehow insult them - rather it's an opportunity to be one of the good guys who aren't doing that and simply offer something of value to people who will enjoy it, and no hard feelings.