MackMantilla
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Harry_queenrecordings
Thanks for sharing!
onedunpark
Thanks for sharing..
tassilo
Thank you very much.
gbmaster
Top sharing! :)
Rami
Download link doesn't work anymore, at least for me. Any chances for a re-upload? Many thanks in advance.
pittrek
Thanks for this one. It's a very interesting version, especially if you compare it to my "old" version (unknown source)
The old version is 1:27:41, the new version is 1:28:08. Not sure if it's just a tape speed difference but for example the older, SHORTER version has a few seconds of Bohemian Rhapsody more at the beginning - you can hear more of the piano before Freddie's "I see a little silhouetto".
The old version has clean sound on the first tracks, then the hiss levels get more prominent, The new version has a very annoying high pitched noise going through the first side, which slowly changes into hiss during the second half of the first
side, the second side seem to have a more constant hiss. Also there is something which sounds like bass distortion.
Very interesting, thanks. Would you mind if I would attempt to do something like "best of both worlds"? In other words merging both sources?
The old version is 1:27:41, the new version is 1:28:08. Not sure if it's just a tape speed difference but for example the older, SHORTER version has a few seconds of Bohemian Rhapsody more at the beginning - you can hear more of the piano before Freddie's "I see a little silhouetto".
The old version has clean sound on the first tracks, then the hiss levels get more prominent, The new version has a very annoying high pitched noise going through the first side, which slowly changes into hiss during the second half of the first
side, the second side seem to have a more constant hiss. Also there is something which sounds like bass distortion.
Very interesting, thanks. Would you mind if I would attempt to do something like "best of both worlds"? In other words merging both sources?
brians wig
[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
Would you mind if I would attempt to do something like "best of both worlds"? In other words merging both sources?[/QUOTE]
I should say it's a requirement, Pitters!
BIts get lost through generational copying to different length tapes and unwanted sounds can be added.
I've compared my tape to Kurgan's, and it's poor in comparison. (And shorter!)
Would you mind if I would attempt to do something like "best of both worlds"? In other words merging both sources?[/QUOTE]
I should say it's a requirement, Pitters!
BIts get lost through generational copying to different length tapes and unwanted sounds can be added.
I've compared my tape to Kurgan's, and it's poor in comparison. (And shorter!)
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
The old version is 1:27:41, the new version is 1:28:08. Not sure if it's just a tape speed difference but for example the older, SHORTER version has a few seconds of Bohemian Rhapsody more at the beginning - you can hear more of the piano before Freddie's "I see a little silhouetto".
The old version has clean sound on the first tracks, then the hiss levels get more prominent, The new version has a very annoying high pitched noise going through the first side, which slowly changes into hiss during the second half of the first
side, the second side seem to have a more constant hiss. Also there is something which sounds like bass distortion.[/QUOTE]
Good observations.
Indeed, the tapes just run at slightly different speeds, so that accounts for the 30 second difference. Kurgan's version also has an extra 6 seconds in The Prophet's Song, and a bit less tape before Big Spender and at the end of GSTQ.
Furthermore - Kurgan's version is mono, while the 1:27:41 version is in stereo. The latter is also one of those bad 90s CDRs where there is digital noise all throughout disc 1, but it becomes especially noticeable in Son and Daughter. Disc 2 has all kinds of digital clicks too, but the kind that can be painstakingly removed one at a time.
Kurgan's copy doesn't have that overloaded bottom end, but it has a lot more hiss.
Unfortunately there just is no optimal solution here.
The old version is 1:27:41, the new version is 1:28:08. Not sure if it's just a tape speed difference but for example the older, SHORTER version has a few seconds of Bohemian Rhapsody more at the beginning - you can hear more of the piano before Freddie's "I see a little silhouetto".
The old version has clean sound on the first tracks, then the hiss levels get more prominent, The new version has a very annoying high pitched noise going through the first side, which slowly changes into hiss during the second half of the first
side, the second side seem to have a more constant hiss. Also there is something which sounds like bass distortion.[/QUOTE]
Good observations.
Indeed, the tapes just run at slightly different speeds, so that accounts for the 30 second difference. Kurgan's version also has an extra 6 seconds in The Prophet's Song, and a bit less tape before Big Spender and at the end of GSTQ.
Furthermore - Kurgan's version is mono, while the 1:27:41 version is in stereo. The latter is also one of those bad 90s CDRs where there is digital noise all throughout disc 1, but it becomes especially noticeable in Son and Daughter. Disc 2 has all kinds of digital clicks too, but the kind that can be painstakingly removed one at a time.
Kurgan's copy doesn't have that overloaded bottom end, but it has a lot more hiss.
Unfortunately there just is no optimal solution here.
Gregsynth
Best solution I see is to clean up the common version and Kurgan's version - then frankenstein the two together.
Kurgan's copy is overall better - just cut down the hiss slightly and you're good to go! The hum can be reduced slightly as well!
If there's missing bits of songs - use the older version to patch in.
It's not optimal - but it's the best idea I can think of.
Kurgan's copy is overall better - just cut down the hiss slightly and you're good to go! The hum can be reduced slightly as well!
If there's missing bits of songs - use the older version to patch in.
It's not optimal - but it's the best idea I can think of.
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]Gregsynth wrote:[/b]
Kurgan's copy is overall better - just cut down the hiss slightly and you're good to go! The hum can be reduced slightly as well![/QUOTE]
That's a slippery slope. Then you start losing top end, and then you have digital artifacts. The recent Detroit 77 tape is a prime example.
What we should be doing is frequenting other places where people are in contact with tapers, trying to find the tapers of these shows instead of trying to splice together two high/unknown gen copies.
Queen collectors have not been an overly collaborative bunch on this front. There's a reason why Pink Floyd collectors regularly track down tapers of shows from 1970-71 while most Queen tapes from 1973-82 don't have any proper lineage. We really need to work on this.
Kurgan's copy is overall better - just cut down the hiss slightly and you're good to go! The hum can be reduced slightly as well![/QUOTE]
That's a slippery slope. Then you start losing top end, and then you have digital artifacts. The recent Detroit 77 tape is a prime example.
What we should be doing is frequenting other places where people are in contact with tapers, trying to find the tapers of these shows instead of trying to splice together two high/unknown gen copies.
Queen collectors have not been an overly collaborative bunch on this front. There's a reason why Pink Floyd collectors regularly track down tapers of shows from 1970-71 while most Queen tapes from 1973-82 don't have any proper lineage. We really need to work on this.
Gregsynth
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Gregsynth wrote:[/b]
Kurgan's copy is overall better - just cut down the hiss slightly and you're good to go! The hum can be reduced slightly as well![/QUOTE]
That's a slippery slope. Then you start losing top end, and then you have digital artifacts. The recent Detroit 77 tape is a prime example.
What we should be doing is frequenting other places where people are in contact with tapers, trying to find the tapers of these shows instead of trying to splice together two high/unknown gen copies.
Queen collectors have not been an overly collaborative bunch on this front. There's a reason why Pink Floyd collectors regularly track down tapers of shows from 1970-71 while most Queen tapes from 1973-82 don't have any proper lineage. We really need to work on this.
[/QUOTE]
I agree. But trying is better than not trying.
I attempted a little bit of work - nothing major. But is it worth it?
[QUOTE] [b]Gregsynth wrote:[/b]
Kurgan's copy is overall better - just cut down the hiss slightly and you're good to go! The hum can be reduced slightly as well![/QUOTE]
That's a slippery slope. Then you start losing top end, and then you have digital artifacts. The recent Detroit 77 tape is a prime example.
What we should be doing is frequenting other places where people are in contact with tapers, trying to find the tapers of these shows instead of trying to splice together two high/unknown gen copies.
Queen collectors have not been an overly collaborative bunch on this front. There's a reason why Pink Floyd collectors regularly track down tapers of shows from 1970-71 while most Queen tapes from 1973-82 don't have any proper lineage. We really need to work on this.
[/QUOTE]
I agree. But trying is better than not trying.
I attempted a little bit of work - nothing major. But is it worth it?
The Real Wizard
Good job ! There's a slight loss of top end, but the hum is way less prominent.
Gregsynth
Thanks. I was trying a few different ideas on the EQ program and I didn't want to lose the top end. I just wanted to get some of the hiss and hum out without killing the top end. It's not going to be magic or anything (no pun intended), but a .00001% improvement is still an improvement :)
I wish there was a clean copy of the show (without the speed fluctuations, cuts, and the hiss/hum problem), but if the only tools I have are two high gen copies, a computer, patience, a few bottles of Mt Dew, some Molson, headphones, and audio apps, I'm up for the challenge.
I wish there was a clean copy of the show (without the speed fluctuations, cuts, and the hiss/hum problem), but if the only tools I have are two high gen copies, a computer, patience, a few bottles of Mt Dew, some Molson, headphones, and audio apps, I'm up for the challenge.
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