clarification of Thor Arnold's role in Freddie's life

Hey Dustin,
I do not regret at all a lover type relations. Friendship was much better and much longer lasting, Besides I had my hands full with my other friends,
my career and my ailing parents. No way I would have relocated to another country.

I never had to front Freddie. Did you miss my answer to TRS-Romania's (question #4), it's right before yours. I match made for Freddie. While I knew him,
he never dated two guys at the same time. Peter would know for sure, not me.

"Bro's before ho's" is a good philosophy...LOL. That phrase always gives me a good laugh...thank you.

thundergod wrote:

6) Freddie said goodbye to us in June of 1991 and did it very gracefully. He did not call me after this and I left him alone as well. His
death could have been the next week or at the end of the year. He did not need our support anymore and as I was informed right here
on this thread, he was under palliative care at the end with pain medication.

Thor I'm really sorry about that, I mean saying goodbye to someone so important to you being conscious its a forever goodbye, must have been so horrible on the inside, I can only imagine.

Did he ever tell you any fear he had? I mean in NY or unrelated to the illness? He seemed to me a very vulnerable person on the inside so maybe he told you or confessed you some.

Dustin Zimmerman wrote:

Also Peter talked about a few times when he had to cover for Freddie in front of lovers. You know, he'd be involved with Bill and want to see Winnie at the same time so Peter had to keep quiet about it as to not rock the boat. He explained in his book about one guy Freddie had been after for months. I think his name was Paul. Well Freddie flew some guy he was dating to London to meet him but (as luck would have it) this was the same night that Paul finally decided to go home with Freddie. Peter was sent to tell the poor guy who just flew in that Freddie had an emergency meeting and sent him on a plane back home while Freddie and Paul waited for him to leave.

Lol Dustin, was this Eduardo "The Venezuelan"? I swear I was in tears with that story.

Lmao yes it was Eduardo and the guy he was after in the bar was Richard Dick and apparently he called him Dick-Dick. Oh Freddie!

Eduardo? Hahaha I don't know where the hell I got Paul from

Thanks Thor. You're right about friendship being worth more than a fleeting romance

captainjory wrote:

Lmao yes it was Eduardo and the guy he was after in the bar was Richard Dick and apparently he called him Dick-Dick. Oh Freddie!

I cracked up over 'Dick-Dick' too, lol, only Freddie!

Thor

Freddie must have trusted you guys. His illness was top secret and so many over here were trying to find out. He couldn't risk any 'leaking' out to the press. What a special friendship you had. It must have been awful not calling anymore, letting go, and knowing there was nothing you could do to make things any better. But you gave him friendship. And it sounds like you all handled this awful situation heroically.

Yeah from what I've read, a few people were completely frozen out of his life in 1990, so he obviously trusted you to let him into his last 6 months. I am assuming he just didn't want you to see his final decline.

Brave on both sides.

Hi RBoulain,
The only fear Freddie expressed to me privately during the '80's was that of perhaps never finding a life partner to love him completely.
He was sure of some of his true friends, but not so sure of finding someone who would love him for him and not just his wealth and fame.
I imagine this is why "stars" only seem to be involved with other "stars." However, since Freddie craved "real" people in his life, (well, Straker
seemed to be an exception) I am sure he finally found that in Jim Hutton.

Yes Smoky,
Freddie knew that we could be trusted with keeping his best interests always in mind. As I have said, if I were him in the '80's, I would have
concealed my sexuality too. It was SUCH an intolerant time, anyone under 40 (maybe even under 50) probably can not really understand.

Hey Spongey,
I completely agree with you.

Maybe some of the people Freddie "froze" out were ones in which he felt he had to be "Freddie the host", or "Freddie the entertainer", or "Freddie the life of the party" But the ones he let in were the people with whom he had the comfort level to just be Freddie the person.

thundergod wrote:

Yes Smoky,
Freddie knew that we could be trusted with keeping his best interests always in mind. As I have said, if I were him in the '80's, I would have
concealed my sexuality too. It was SUCH an intolerant time, anyone under 40 (maybe even under 50) probably can not really understand.

Hey Spongey,
I completely agree with you.

I've just posted another blank message. I'll try again lol. This forum doesn't like me.

LOL Darthritis1.

thundergod wrote:

As I have said, if I were him in the '80's, I would have
concealed my sexuality too. It was SUCH an intolerant time, anyone under 40 (maybe even under 50) probably can not really understand.

I totally get it, I've been aware of people younger than myself not really understanding. Not their fault, it's good things have changed, but you had to live in that culture to understand. I was only a teenager, but old enough to have understood some of it (maybe not all).

I had a really good relationship with my supervisor at work, he was like a second dad to me, yet he never told me he was gay. I only found out a few years later at a work party. People used to tell me my boss was enigmatic. He had a lot of charisma and people wanted to know more about him, but no one was allowed in. I knew why and kept my mouth shut. Those were the days.