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Thanks for the great information and nice words.
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Well, Villiers,
Another thanks goes to you for information I had no knowledge of.
Another thanks goes to you for information I had no knowledge of.
Welcome Cyborg,
I am glad that Adreme13 was able to answer your question because I did not
know the answer. I would always trust information handed down by Phoebe. He
has absolutely no reason to misrepresent Freddie
I am glad that Adreme13 was able to answer your question because I did not
know the answer. I would always trust information handed down by Phoebe. He
has absolutely no reason to misrepresent Freddie
"Uh-oh...I think I may have stepped over the line with Thor commenting on his current appearance.
LOL...he may think I'm a stalker! "
PrimeJive, sorry but I do not understand what you mean. You wrote your comment before I even
mentioned that I thought I looked heavy in the "Freddie's Loves" piece. ??????
LOL...he may think I'm a stalker! "
PrimeJive, sorry but I do not understand what you mean. You wrote your comment before I even
mentioned that I thought I looked heavy in the "Freddie's Loves" piece. ??????
Reluctant to make this thread about the whole AIDS timeline because it's morbid, but it's been discussed on here in depth a few times and people have deduced Freddie would have picked up the virus between 1979 - 1982.
But it must be noted that he was dating Tony Bastin between 1979-80. Tony died from AIDS in 1986. This is likely to mean Tony had the virus when he was with Freddie and consequently unknowingly infected him. It would make sense that Freddie realised something was up by late 1986, as it fits well with the HIV to AIDS development period.
Again, sorry to bring the AIDS thing into it, hope it's not to upsetting for Thor to think of his friends' deaths.
But it must be noted that he was dating Tony Bastin between 1979-80. Tony died from AIDS in 1986. This is likely to mean Tony had the virus when he was with Freddie and consequently unknowingly infected him. It would make sense that Freddie realised something was up by late 1986, as it fits well with the HIV to AIDS development period.
Again, sorry to bring the AIDS thing into it, hope it's not to upsetting for Thor to think of his friends' deaths.
@ captainjory. Welcome. You will find that this is a pretty friendly group of people who are just interested in any new information they can get about someone they love, admire, and miss. Everyone seems pretty respectful and we are most grateful for Thor's continued participation!
The AIDS timeline does fascinate many Freddie fans. It seems pretty much impossible to figure out who infected Freddie or in turn whom he might have infected. In terms of who infected him, narrowing the choices to only the people that Freddie dated precludes the possibility that it wasn't some "non-boyfriend" he spent a night with, as by his own admission."I was very promiscuous". It's heartbreaking that there were so many men doing something they had no idea could be dangerous until for many, the damage was already done and they were infected.
The AIDS timeline does fascinate many Freddie fans. It seems pretty much impossible to figure out who infected Freddie or in turn whom he might have infected. In terms of who infected him, narrowing the choices to only the people that Freddie dated precludes the possibility that it wasn't some "non-boyfriend" he spent a night with, as by his own admission."I was very promiscuous". It's heartbreaking that there were so many men doing something they had no idea could be dangerous until for many, the damage was already done and they were infected.
I think that's the saddest thing, that they did this without knowing and for a long time, they looked and felt healthy, unaware they were being destroyed on the inside.
I know Freddie didn't slow down when he should have, which wasn't his best life choice, but the reality is he probably had the virus before it was even known about, and most of the gay community probably wouldn't have been alarmed by the small New York Times column that first mentioned the 'Rare Cancer Seen in 41 Homosexuals' in 1981. It's horrifying.
I know it's impossible to narrow it down (Like the Somebody to Love book accusing Gaetan and John Murphy) but we know at least one person he was definitely in a relationship with had it. I wasn't pointing the blame solely on Tony, honest!
I know Freddie didn't slow down when he should have, which wasn't his best life choice, but the reality is he probably had the virus before it was even known about, and most of the gay community probably wouldn't have been alarmed by the small New York Times column that first mentioned the 'Rare Cancer Seen in 41 Homosexuals' in 1981. It's horrifying.
I know it's impossible to narrow it down (Like the Somebody to Love book accusing Gaetan and John Murphy) but we know at least one person he was definitely in a relationship with had it. I wasn't pointing the blame solely on Tony, honest!
Thanks to Adreme13 and Thor for answering my question about Freddie and Princess Diana.
Here's what Peter Freestone had to say about the matter: freddiemercury.com/en/ask-phoebe/blog-25
Here's what Peter Freestone had to say about the matter: freddiemercury.com/en/ask-phoebe/blog-25
I apologize for interrupting but I have to say this.
Is it so important who infected Freddie?That person probably didn't do it with that intention.Maybe Freddie even gave it to other people without knowing that he had HIV.It's life, sometimes it happens that is inevitable and no one is guilty.Sometimes we don't think about the consequences until something bad happens to us.
I think it's more important what person Freddie was, what his music was, and not that damned illness.
I don't mind that you ask many questions about this disease, I just say what I think.
Is it so important who infected Freddie?That person probably didn't do it with that intention.Maybe Freddie even gave it to other people without knowing that he had HIV.It's life, sometimes it happens that is inevitable and no one is guilty.Sometimes we don't think about the consequences until something bad happens to us.
I think it's more important what person Freddie was, what his music was, and not that damned illness.
I don't mind that you ask many questions about this disease, I just say what I think.
Nobody is saying it's important to know who infected him. There is no way of knowing who did for certain, anyway. They're just discussing the timeline. If you look at the facts of who he dated that had it (not even including the people he wasn't dating that may have given it to him), it's more likely that Freddie got it around 1980.
Freddie definitely gave it to other people without meaning to or knowing. It wasn't his fault. It wasn't anyone's fault. They didn't know. Nobody did it with intention.
But the original discussion was simply about the timeline in which he likely contracted it. In which case, captianjory is correct.
Like it or not, the illness was something he had to deal with. All books on him and documentaries discuss it because it's important. It's important because it was a disease that carried so much misinformation and fear for years. It's important because Freddie not only had it, but he handled it with great bravery and heart. It's a part of his story, so yes, it's worth discussing in a respectful manner in my opinion.
As a member of the LGBT community myself, I can tell you Freddie is a huge inspiration to us- not just because of his wonderful career, but because he was faced with that disease and handled it better than most ever could or did. He's one of our heroes for that, and many other reasons. His story connected with many of us. It made some see how important knowing your status is.
A book has recently claimed to know exactly who infected him (turns out he never even slept with the gentleman they blamed it on) and the day he was infected. Misinformation like that is why I believe it's fair to discuss the timeline. Its because the timeline has been discussed before that we even knew the book blamed the wrong person and more than likely got the year wrong as well. If for nothing else, then to avoid blaming the wrong people.
Freddie definitely gave it to other people without meaning to or knowing. It wasn't his fault. It wasn't anyone's fault. They didn't know. Nobody did it with intention.
But the original discussion was simply about the timeline in which he likely contracted it. In which case, captianjory is correct.
Like it or not, the illness was something he had to deal with. All books on him and documentaries discuss it because it's important. It's important because it was a disease that carried so much misinformation and fear for years. It's important because Freddie not only had it, but he handled it with great bravery and heart. It's a part of his story, so yes, it's worth discussing in a respectful manner in my opinion.
As a member of the LGBT community myself, I can tell you Freddie is a huge inspiration to us- not just because of his wonderful career, but because he was faced with that disease and handled it better than most ever could or did. He's one of our heroes for that, and many other reasons. His story connected with many of us. It made some see how important knowing your status is.
A book has recently claimed to know exactly who infected him (turns out he never even slept with the gentleman they blamed it on) and the day he was infected. Misinformation like that is why I believe it's fair to discuss the timeline. Its because the timeline has been discussed before that we even knew the book blamed the wrong person and more than likely got the year wrong as well. If for nothing else, then to avoid blaming the wrong people.
Hello to captainjory, Villiers, Rainbow61, InvisibleWoman and cyborg,
Thank you all for your lively discussion of a very sensitive and sad issue.
By reading your comments, I feel the disease was treated respectfully and
Freddie was treated fairly by all of you.Trying to pinpoint who exactly passed
the virus to him seems pointless. Those were different times and as far as
health was concerned; scary times. I would doubt if Freddie was infected
in 1980 but how would I or anybody else really know. As Rainbow61
implied just because we are aware of Tony's name, he should not
automatically be blamed. Both of them could have been infected by
a different person at two different times.
Thank you all for your lively discussion of a very sensitive and sad issue.
By reading your comments, I feel the disease was treated respectfully and
Freddie was treated fairly by all of you.Trying to pinpoint who exactly passed
the virus to him seems pointless. Those were different times and as far as
health was concerned; scary times. I would doubt if Freddie was infected
in 1980 but how would I or anybody else really know. As Rainbow61
implied just because we are aware of Tony's name, he should not
automatically be blamed. Both of them could have been infected by
a different person at two different times.
Speaking of the LGBT community- As I live near Houston TX, we've been stuck in our homes thanks to hurricane Harvey for the last few days. During that time, I've had little else to do but text with friends and I've sent all the guys and girls from Montrose a link to this thread. They've enjoyed reading it, and wanted to extend an invitation to drinks and good conversation on us if you ever find yourself here in Houston. There are some great people and lots of fun at places like Michael's Outpost and the Gauva Lamp. The community has really grown out here and it's found a nice balance of fun and relaxation. So if you're ever in the lone star state, consider dropping us a line!
Will do Villiers...sounds like fun. I can only handle Houston however, in the late fall
or early spring. I've been spoiled in San Diego with nearly perfect weather all year
long. My sweat glands have enjoyed resting and shrinking these last 32 years- LOL.
Thank you so much for the invitation. Good luck with the floods, I keep seeing the
horrors going on there on cable news.
or early spring. I've been spoiled in San Diego with nearly perfect weather all year
long. My sweat glands have enjoyed resting and shrinking these last 32 years- LOL.
Thank you so much for the invitation. Good luck with the floods, I keep seeing the
horrors going on there on cable news.
@Villers What a nightmare in Houston. Glad you seem to be doing okay.
I have so much admiration for Freddie for having the inner strength to continue making music during those final years, especially when the music sessions seemed to take a lot out of him physically. He did not seem to want or expect any sympathy/pity for his fate, but in those quieter moments when he was alone, it must have been overwhelming...and yet he persevered. Look at the all the wonderful music he left us with post-diagnosis because of that inner strength (although I find "These Are the Days Of Our Lives" almost too hard to watch)
Thor...Garden Lodge sounded like an absolutely beautiful home filled with elegant and beautiful things. Is there anything in particular that you remember about the place or something that Freddie seemed especially proud of?
I have so much admiration for Freddie for having the inner strength to continue making music during those final years, especially when the music sessions seemed to take a lot out of him physically. He did not seem to want or expect any sympathy/pity for his fate, but in those quieter moments when he was alone, it must have been overwhelming...and yet he persevered. Look at the all the wonderful music he left us with post-diagnosis because of that inner strength (although I find "These Are the Days Of Our Lives" almost too hard to watch)
Thor...Garden Lodge sounded like an absolutely beautiful home filled with elegant and beautiful things. Is there anything in particular that you remember about the place or something that Freddie seemed especially proud of?
Villiers wrote:
Nobody is saying it's important to know who infected him. There is no way of knowing who did for certain, anyway. They're just discussing the timeline. If you look at the facts of who he dated that had it (not even including the people he wasn't dating that may have given it to him), it's more likely that Freddie got it around 1980.
Freddie definitely gave it to other people without meaning to or knowing. It wasn't his fault. It wasn't anyone's fault. They didn't know. Nobody did it with intention.
But the original discussion was simply about the timeline in which he likely contracted it. In which case, captianjory is correct.
Like it or not, the illness was something he had to deal with. All books on him and documentaries discuss it because it's important. It's important because it was a disease that carried so much misinformation and fear for years. It's important because Freddie not only had it, but he handled it with great bravery and heart. It's a part of his story, so yes, it's worth discussing in a respectful manner in my opinion.
As a member of the LGBT community myself, I can tell you Freddie is a huge inspiration to us- not just because of his wonderful career, but because he was faced with that disease and handled it better than most ever could or did. He's one of our heroes for that, and many other reasons. His story connected with many of us. It made some see how important knowing your status is.
A book has recently claimed to know exactly who infected him (turns out he never even slept with the gentleman they blamed it on) and the day he was infected. Misinformation like that is why I believe it's fair to discuss the timeline. Its because the timeline has been discussed before that we even knew the book blamed the wrong person and more than likely got the year wrong as well. If for nothing else, then to avoid blaming the wrong people.
I agree and couldn't say it better myself, Villers. I think it's human nature to try to make some sort of sense of it all, and try to guess when he was infected, even though we will never know for certain. And yes, unfortunately and sadly, AIDS was a part of Freddie's life.