clarification of Thor Arnold's role in Freddie's life

"A brief fling"? Really? Amazing. Now I'm totally convinced how silly is that book!
That lady had some nerve.

captainjory wrote:

RBoulain wrote:

Yes, for what I've could read about people reviewing that book (I havent read it myself because I consider it a waste of time), almost everything written there was bolloks. They mentioned she also "ignored" some of Freddie's first gay relationships making an effort to "show him" as bisexual. According to Jim's book, one of the personal details he gave was that whenever they were gonna be intimate, Freddie told him to get the cats out of the room as he wanted total intimacy, so the "watching" thing is pretty weird as you well said.

You've got a point there about the cats! Never thought about that before!
Yes she left out David Minns who was pretty significant considering that's who he was seeing when he first came out as gay, the man he left Mary for...
Lesley Ann Jones used quotes from his co-writer friend David Evans in her book, so she definitely read it but for some reason decided that whole pivotal relationship wasn't worth mentioning. And she calls Minns 'a brief fling'. Yeah...they were involved for 3 years.

Sorry for the random blank messages y'all.
Carry on!

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"Yeaa...it's unconventional. On the other hand, I don't think having a female in bed would make them bi. Just as two straight guys having sex with one girl at the same time, doesnt make tham gay or bi."

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Hmm.. As an actual bisexual, I can assure you that it comes down to sexual attraction. 2 gay men are not going to have a threesome with a female. You would have to have a sexual attraction to women to be in a threesome with one if the other 2 people involved are men. Winnie was gay and so was Freddie. If they wanted a threesome, they'd ask another male. Just his sleeping next to her is believable but having sex? Lol no.

captainjory wrote:

Shvili wrote:

If I remember correctly from one of those documentaries about Freddie, it was pointed out that Barbara was sort of a matchmaker, or a go between for gay dudes in Munich. Allegedly, she'd also participate with these guys, if you know what I mean. Seriously doubt that Freddie had any romantic feelings for her.

I can understand her being a matchmaker, but how many gay men would want some big sag-titted woman in the bed with them?

LOL...that has to be one of the funniest questions ever posed on this board! Indeed.

captainjory wrote:

Shvili wrote:

If I remember correctly from one of those documentaries about Freddie, it was pointed out that Barbara was sort of a matchmaker, or a go between for gay dudes in Munich. Allegedly, she'd also participate with these guys, if you know what I mean. Seriously doubt that Freddie had any romantic feelings for her.

I can understand her being a matchmaker, but how many gay men would want some big sag-titted woman in the bed with them? In the bad John Blunt docu-drama it implied she was in bed with Freddie and Winnie.

To believe this, you'd have to accept that not only Freddie was bi, but also Winnie. And that gay men would be okay with her watching. It's just TOO WEIRD.

Lesley Ann Jones has a lot to answer for. And Babs V.

I don't give a shit about Valentine, she's a side show. But who can say for sure that Fred didn't get absolutely off his chest rug and indulge in some casual sex with both genders? Doesn't mean he wasn't gay, it means he was high as a kite. It was a very dark and hedonistic time for him remember. Equally some straights guys have sucked a cock or had their cocks sucked by men, it happens sometimes.

That said I will take Thor's word for it that it was very very unlikely.

I wouldn't worry too much about people bi-bleaching him or whatever. Doesn't really matter does it?

LOTV wrote:

captainjory wrote:

Shvili wrote:

If I remember correctly from one of those documentaries about Freddie, it was pointed out that Barbara was sort of a matchmaker, or a go between for gay dudes in Munich. Allegedly, she'd also participate with these guys, if you know what I mean. Seriously doubt that Freddie had any romantic feelings for her.

I can understand her being a matchmaker, but how many gay men would want some big sag-titted woman in the bed with them? In the bad John Blunt docu-drama it implied she was in bed with Freddie and Winnie.

To believe this, you'd have to accept that not only Freddie was bi, but also Winnie. And that gay men would be okay with her watching. It's just TOO WEIRD.

Lesley Ann Jones has a lot to answer for. And Babs V.

I don't give a shit about Valentine, she's a side show. But who can say for sure that Fred didn't get absolutely off his chest rug and indulge in some casual sex with both genders? Doesn't mean he wasn't gay, it means he was high as a kite. It was a very dark and hedonistic time for him remember. Equally some straights guys have sucked a cock or had their cocks sucked by men, it happens sometimes.

That said I will take Thor's word for it that it was very very unlikely.

I wouldn't worry too much about people bi-bleaching him or whatever. Doesn't really matter does it?

Considering it's part of his story and who he was... Yes, it does matter. Sorry but again, even with coke galore, a gay man is not going to do that. And as for who knows for sure that he didn't.... Freddie lol. He told both Chris Taylor and Jim that it never happened. So... Ill take Freddie's word for it.

Villiers wrote:

LOTV wrote:

captainjory wrote:

Shvili wrote:

If I remember correctly from one of those documentaries about Freddie, it was pointed out that Barbara was sort of a matchmaker, or a go between for gay dudes in Munich. Allegedly, she'd also participate with these guys, if you know what I mean. Seriously doubt that Freddie had any romantic feelings for her.

I can understand her being a matchmaker, but how many gay men would want some big sag-titted woman in the bed with them? In the bad John Blunt docu-drama it implied she was in bed with Freddie and Winnie.

To believe this, you'd have to accept that not only Freddie was bi, but also Winnie. And that gay men would be okay with her watching. It's just TOO WEIRD.

Lesley Ann Jones has a lot to answer for. And Babs V.

I don't give a shit about Valentine, she's a side show. But who can say for sure that Fred didn't get absolutely off his chest rug and indulge in some casual sex with both genders? Doesn't mean he wasn't gay, it means he was high as a kite. It was a very dark and hedonistic time for him remember. Equally some straights guys have sucked a cock or had their cocks sucked by men, it happens sometimes.

That said I will take Thor's word for it that it was very very unlikely.

I wouldn't worry too much about people bi-bleaching him or whatever. Doesn't really matter does it?

Considering it's part of his story and who he was... Yes, it does matter. Sorry but again, even with coke galore, a gay man is not going to do that. And as for who knows for sure that he didn't.... Freddie lol. He told both Chris Taylor and Jim that it never happened. So... Ill take Freddie's word for it.

I too would be surprised if he dipped his wick in that loathsome bat, but maybe he didn't remember? His mind shut it out for the sake of his sanity ;-)

I appreciate for some it's important as part of who he was but personally I've never really been bothered. I've always considered him gay if I've thought about it at all.

I'm sure you're right regarding desires and large quantities of drugs but I'm not sure it's always that set in stone. I'm an old fart now and happily married so my days of debauchery are well over however back in the day, being honest if I was off my nut enough to lose my inhibitions and if I fancied a girl enough I'm nit sure whether I may have indulged to some extent to please her. I was/am pretty open minded without ever having found a real man sexually attractive (well apart from Jonny Depp but that's different ).

Does cocaine just suddenly make people change sexual orientation? No. Also Freddie was open about who he was shagging but neglected to mention he'd banged her. Funny.

It does matter because false information needs to be stopped. This sexuality debate ONLY EXISTS because of that woman.

My uncle Travis did more booger sugar than anyone I know of. He had to be taken to the hospital a few times thanks to his "habit" and never once did it ever change the gender he was attracted to. Nor did it allow him to slip a different gendered individual under his sheets.

Just sayin.

Dustin Zimmerman wrote:

My uncle Travis did more booger sugar than anyone I know of. He had to be taken to the hospital a few times thanks to his "habit" and never once did it ever change the gender he was attracted to. Nor did it allow him to slip a different gendered individual under his sheets.

Just sayin.

Good on your Uncle. That's a good name for an album too - My Uncle Travis.
I'm not saying that coke can make one decide "enough with willies what I want is to get me some rancid twat" but drugs do affect one's judgement and remove inhibitions, often leading to regret. Let us not forget that our hero wasn't only having a sniff in Munich he was also into E and god knows what else.

I'm speaking in general terms though, I believe he didn't put his microphone stand in that particular holder. If those who knew him well say he didn't sleep with a woman after Mary (if he even bumped uglies with her) then I'm happy to take that as read.

Just saying it wouldn't have been an absolute impossibility for the time and wouldn't necessarily have made him bi. Mate of mine went with a bloke to try it, and he's straight as a die.

LOTV wrote:

Dustin Zimmerman wrote:

My uncle Travis did more booger sugar than anyone I know of. He had to be taken to the hospital a few times thanks to his "habit" and never once did it ever change the gender he was attracted to. Nor did it allow him to slip a different gendered individual under his sheets.

Just sayin.

Good on your Uncle. That's a good name for an album too - My Uncle Travis.
I'm not saying that coke can make one decide "enough with willies what I want is to get me some rancid twat" but drugs do affect one's judgement and remove inhibitions, often leading to regret. Let us not forget that our hero wasn't only having a sniff in Munich he was also into E and god knows what else.

I'm speaking in general terms though, I believe he didn't put his microphone stand in that particular holder. If those who knew him well say he didn't sleep with a woman after Mary (if he even bumped uglies with her) then I'm happy to take that as read.

Just saying it wouldn't have been an absolute impossibility for the time and wouldn't necessarily have made him bi. Mate of mine went with a bloke to try it, and he's straight as a die.

I get what you're saying but it just doesn't matter. Not that your opinion doesn't matter but that this has nothing to do with Freddie Mercury. He said he didn't screw her, so he didn't. Is it possible for gay people to screw the opposite gender under heavy drugs? Sure, I guess but it didn't happen with him so it doesn't really weigh in at all here. You know what I mean?

Villiers wrote:

Day dop wrote:

The Squirrelly One wrote:The insight from those who don't know the band personally is truly amazing. And yes, that was sarcasm.

As opposed to you who knew Freddie personally, as well as Roger, Brian, Peter Freestone and the Bulsara's? Truly amazing indeed.
(Sarcasm's great, huh?)

I think he said he did know them personally a while back, dude.


Guys, CHILLLLLLLLL.


Do you guys really need to jump on a dude who already left the forum? How about we all focus on THOR.


Although I do wanna see the current picture of Thor that Squirrelly had lol

i don't think bumping into Roger and Brian equates to knowing them personally.

Also where did you hear that he did E? Freestone said the only drug he would take was coke. I know someone slipped him something at his munich party (big surprise) but according to Jim he was really freaked out about it and had some sort of panic attack.