99jaystang
Oh I forgot they included a Bootleg Cassette (yes a Cassette) in the set. The last show of Cliff Burton night before he died. LIve in Sweden 1986. Just a perfect boxset.
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aristide1
King Crimson just released a massive 27-disc box set, Sailors’ Tales, including remasters, live albums, and concert films (from just 3 years of recordings).
"The set includes new stereo remasters of the band’s three LPs from that time: In the Wake of Poseidon, Lizard, and Islands. There’s also a ton of live material, including an expanded version of 1972’s Earthbound, six CDs of Islands-era concerts from 1971 in Germany and the UK, and nine CDS of live recordings from a ’72 US tour (many never before released). Three other CDs include two previously unreleased and unidentified concerts from ’72, as well as recordings of the Islands band auditions. You’ll also get four Blu-rays and two DVDS, each featuring a number of live shows and hi-res audio of the CD material. The 12-inch box comes with a booklet; reproduced memorabilia; new liner notes from; and yet another downloadable concert."
Priced at $190 and released November 3rd 2017 (www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ni4AbYZnRY)
Crimson King takes White Queen.
"The set includes new stereo remasters of the band’s three LPs from that time: In the Wake of Poseidon, Lizard, and Islands. There’s also a ton of live material, including an expanded version of 1972’s Earthbound, six CDs of Islands-era concerts from 1971 in Germany and the UK, and nine CDS of live recordings from a ’72 US tour (many never before released). Three other CDs include two previously unreleased and unidentified concerts from ’72, as well as recordings of the Islands band auditions. You’ll also get four Blu-rays and two DVDS, each featuring a number of live shows and hi-res audio of the CD material. The 12-inch box comes with a booklet; reproduced memorabilia; new liner notes from; and yet another downloadable concert."
Priced at $190 and released November 3rd 2017 (www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ni4AbYZnRY)
Crimson King takes White Queen.
Rick
Lots of disappointing people here and yet they still buy the frickin' box. Don't. Just don't.
Why isn't the thing on Spotify btw?
Why isn't the thing on Spotify btw?
Biggus Dickus
[QUOTE] [b]aristide1 wrote:[/b]
King Crimson just released a massive 27-disc box set, Sailors’ Tales, including remasters, live albums, and concert films (from just 3 years of recordings).
"The set includes new stereo remasters of the band’s three LPs from that time: In the Wake of Poseidon, Lizard, and Islands. There’s also a ton of live material, including an expanded version of 1972’s Earthbound, six CDs of Islands-era concerts from 1971 in Germany and the UK, and nine CDS of live recordings from a ’72 US tour (many never before released). Three other CDs include two previously unreleased and unidentified concerts from ’72, as well as recordings of the Islands band auditions. You’ll also get four Blu-rays and two DVDS, each featuring a number of live shows and hi-res audio of the CD material. The 12-inch box comes with a booklet; reproduced memorabilia; new liner notes from; and yet another downloadable concert."
Priced at $190 and released November 3rd 2017. Crimson King takes White Queen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ni4AbYZnRY
[/QUOTE]
I own this box set and those studio albums are actually remixes, not remasters, which is even better of course as Steven Wilson does a great job remixing all those old albums. There are flat transfers of the original mixes included in the box set of course. It's an awesome box and cost about 20€ more than the NOTW box. That's something to think about.
King Crimson just released a massive 27-disc box set, Sailors’ Tales, including remasters, live albums, and concert films (from just 3 years of recordings).
"The set includes new stereo remasters of the band’s three LPs from that time: In the Wake of Poseidon, Lizard, and Islands. There’s also a ton of live material, including an expanded version of 1972’s Earthbound, six CDs of Islands-era concerts from 1971 in Germany and the UK, and nine CDS of live recordings from a ’72 US tour (many never before released). Three other CDs include two previously unreleased and unidentified concerts from ’72, as well as recordings of the Islands band auditions. You’ll also get four Blu-rays and two DVDS, each featuring a number of live shows and hi-res audio of the CD material. The 12-inch box comes with a booklet; reproduced memorabilia; new liner notes from; and yet another downloadable concert."
Priced at $190 and released November 3rd 2017. Crimson King takes White Queen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ni4AbYZnRY
[/QUOTE]
I own this box set and those studio albums are actually remixes, not remasters, which is even better of course as Steven Wilson does a great job remixing all those old albums. There are flat transfers of the original mixes included in the box set of course. It's an awesome box and cost about 20€ more than the NOTW box. That's something to think about.
Biggus Dickus
[QUOTE] [b]Rick wrote:[/b]
Lots of disappointing people here and yet they still buy the frickin' box. Don't. Just don't.
Why isn't the thing on Spotify btw?[/QUOTE]
Because of greed?
Lots of disappointing people here and yet they still buy the frickin' box. Don't. Just don't.
Why isn't the thing on Spotify btw?[/QUOTE]
Because of greed?
aristide1
King Crimson released box sets before Queen knew what a box set is.
I bought the 4 CD "The Great Deceiver" in 1992, mainly as a Wetton fan, and with the secret hope that this will become the trend of the next years, and Queen will eventually jump on the train. Still waiting.
You're involuntary right about disappointing people here Rick, but there are not a lot, mostly are disappointed.
I bought the 4 CD "The Great Deceiver" in 1992, mainly as a Wetton fan, and with the secret hope that this will become the trend of the next years, and Queen will eventually jump on the train. Still waiting.
You're involuntary right about disappointing people here Rick, but there are not a lot, mostly are disappointed.
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]GinjaNinja wrote:[/b]
The piano intro for Spread Your Wings is the same as the coda heard on this convention recording of All Dead All Dead:
https://youtu.be/WDcr753ru-8?t=3m22s
[/QUOTE]
Nice catch !
And because it fades out at that exact moment, we can't know if it was actually an intro to Spread Your Wings or if it's flown in from another session or something. The joys of things not being labelled properly and being comped from various takes.
But the disc is still amazing and revealing on so many levels. My favourite track is Get Down Make Love because it's the furthest of all the songs from the final version. The basic song idea is there, but that's all they've got - the octave bass riff isn't even there yet, never mind the middle section. And over time they realized the double shots would be more effective if used more sparingly.
It's this insight into the songwriting process that is the most fascinating part of the disc. We can only wonder how much more of this stuff they have, after years of various sources close to the band trying to minimize how much is in their vault. We now know there are hundreds of hours of audio and video gems from this period alone, never mind all the others.
Other highlights are the piano in It's Late, Mercury singing All Dead All Dead, and the live SOTS. And as interesting as all of these things are for us to listen to now, they reveal that every single creative decision they made in this period was the right one. For the albums they chose all the right vocal takes and made all the right choices in mixing and arrangement. And live they kept what worked and turfed what didn't.
The piano intro for Spread Your Wings is the same as the coda heard on this convention recording of All Dead All Dead:
https://youtu.be/WDcr753ru-8?t=3m22s
[/QUOTE]
Nice catch !
And because it fades out at that exact moment, we can't know if it was actually an intro to Spread Your Wings or if it's flown in from another session or something. The joys of things not being labelled properly and being comped from various takes.
But the disc is still amazing and revealing on so many levels. My favourite track is Get Down Make Love because it's the furthest of all the songs from the final version. The basic song idea is there, but that's all they've got - the octave bass riff isn't even there yet, never mind the middle section. And over time they realized the double shots would be more effective if used more sparingly.
It's this insight into the songwriting process that is the most fascinating part of the disc. We can only wonder how much more of this stuff they have, after years of various sources close to the band trying to minimize how much is in their vault. We now know there are hundreds of hours of audio and video gems from this period alone, never mind all the others.
Other highlights are the piano in It's Late, Mercury singing All Dead All Dead, and the live SOTS. And as interesting as all of these things are for us to listen to now, they reveal that every single creative decision they made in this period was the right one. For the albums they chose all the right vocal takes and made all the right choices in mixing and arrangement. And live they kept what worked and turfed what didn't.
jozef
So I finally opened it today and, as you can see, in mine it's OK ... :-)
aristide1
I know what you mean, but 40 years it's enough time to validate any creative decision embedded in the album, only because it's the original one.
If SOTS would have been with Freddie, i bet you will consider that version as the right choice, and the one with Brian just a step in the process.
If SOTS would have been with Freddie, i bet you will consider that version as the right choice, and the one with Brian just a step in the process.
Sebastian
^ Agreed.
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]aristide1 wrote:[/b]
I know what you mean, but 40 years it's enough time to validate any creative decision embedded in the album, only because it's the original one.
If SOTS would have been with Freddie, i bet you will consider that version as the right choice, and the one with Brian just a step in the process.[/QUOTE]
Maybe so.
But when I heard George Harrison's demo of It Don't Come Easy, I immediately thought it was better than Ringo's.
And when I heard Jon Anderson doing Does It Really Happen, I thought it was better than Trevor Horn's.
You're right, repetition and reinforcement are good motivators, but sometimes a new version of a song really is better than the one you've heard a million times.
But in the case of Queen, there isn't a single unreleased version of a song that's better than the final version (and I've hoards of them) - with the exception of the BBC version of Spread Your Wings.
I know what you mean, but 40 years it's enough time to validate any creative decision embedded in the album, only because it's the original one.
If SOTS would have been with Freddie, i bet you will consider that version as the right choice, and the one with Brian just a step in the process.[/QUOTE]
Maybe so.
But when I heard George Harrison's demo of It Don't Come Easy, I immediately thought it was better than Ringo's.
And when I heard Jon Anderson doing Does It Really Happen, I thought it was better than Trevor Horn's.
You're right, repetition and reinforcement are good motivators, but sometimes a new version of a song really is better than the one you've heard a million times.
But in the case of Queen, there isn't a single unreleased version of a song that's better than the final version (and I've hoards of them) - with the exception of the BBC version of Spread Your Wings.
Queenman!!
Long lost guitar version of KYA??
TheAdmiester
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]GinjaNinja wrote:[/b]
The piano intro for Spread Your Wings is the same as the coda heard on this convention recording of All Dead All Dead:
https://youtu.be/WDcr753ru-8?t=3m22s
[/QUOTE]
Nice catch !
And because it fades out at that exact moment, we can't know if it was actually an intro to Spread Your Wings or if it's flown in from another session or something. The joys of things not being labelled properly and being comped from various takes.[/QUOTE]
IMO it's definitely the start of Spread Your Wings, mainly because it sounds extremely similar, if not identical, to how the piano changes during the opening "Sammy was low..."
This a cover, but check out 0:09 for reference: https://youtu.be/7BNtCjMoc8Q?t=9
The bit from the raw sessions/convention tape sounds like it's immediately going to segue into the bit I'm referring to.
I agree with the rest, though, I really really *really* hope that some day we see a big archive release of some Innuendo tapes.
[QUOTE] [b]GinjaNinja wrote:[/b]
The piano intro for Spread Your Wings is the same as the coda heard on this convention recording of All Dead All Dead:
https://youtu.be/WDcr753ru-8?t=3m22s
[/QUOTE]
Nice catch !
And because it fades out at that exact moment, we can't know if it was actually an intro to Spread Your Wings or if it's flown in from another session or something. The joys of things not being labelled properly and being comped from various takes.[/QUOTE]
IMO it's definitely the start of Spread Your Wings, mainly because it sounds extremely similar, if not identical, to how the piano changes during the opening "Sammy was low..."
This a cover, but check out 0:09 for reference: https://youtu.be/7BNtCjMoc8Q?t=9
The bit from the raw sessions/convention tape sounds like it's immediately going to segue into the bit I'm referring to.
I agree with the rest, though, I really really *really* hope that some day we see a big archive release of some Innuendo tapes.
user1
[QUOTE] It's this insight into the songwriting process that is the most fascinating part of the disc. [/QUOTE]
This is exactly what we do not get. There are no annotiations in the book regarding the recording process and we have no idea of how many different sources and takes the so called "raw" versions are cobbled together.
What we get is a faked insight, crafted 40 years later. That's basically trying to rewrite history and counterfeit recordings that never existed back in the days. It's really a shame what QP delivers and the term "raw sessions" is just a big lie.
I'd prefer having no "alternative" versions and waiting 40 more years for original historic recordings to this scam.
This is exactly what we do not get. There are no annotiations in the book regarding the recording process and we have no idea of how many different sources and takes the so called "raw" versions are cobbled together.
What we get is a faked insight, crafted 40 years later. That's basically trying to rewrite history and counterfeit recordings that never existed back in the days. It's really a shame what QP delivers and the term "raw sessions" is just a big lie.
I'd prefer having no "alternative" versions and waiting 40 more years for original historic recordings to this scam.
aristide1
The insight you are talking about is not a piece of information, you have to figure it out for yourself. Anyway, except from some sparse notes on the tape covers i don't think they have too much info to share.
Initially i had the same doubts about the "raw" attribute, but after listening i changed my mind. They are as raw as you can get, and this "cobbled" mix presents them in a decent way.
Initially i had the same doubts about the "raw" attribute, but after listening i changed my mind. They are as raw as you can get, and this "cobbled" mix presents them in a decent way.