Innuendo BTT experience

"Those unreleased outtakes of Innuendo from last saturday will not be released. Deal with it, live with it and accept it"

It's a non-issue - the outtakes don't really exist in my world! A buncha people with disposable income went into a room on the other side of the planet and listened to some stuff that sounds interesting me as a Queen fan and a musician, but that's all - there's nothing to 'deal with' here.

That being said, it would not bother me one bit if someone did a smash and grab on the Queen vaults and leaked the whole lot, frankly. QPL obviously don't want my money, so what difference does it really make?
We were never meant to get the Bohemian Rhapsody 24-track, but we did, and it's a fantastic listen! That's my only point, anyway - I can live quite happily without anything interesting ever being officially released from the Queen vaults ever again, but anything that floats out the back door of a studio on a thumb drive is an unexpected bonus to me, and I'll take it with a big smile on my dumb face.

Regarding further releases of unfinished tracks

There is a school of thought that the NOTW box set is a 'test the water' product to see if there is a market for future releases of this nature. QP seem unable to grasp that other bands do this and as mentioned here Justin seems to be unaware of how it 'could ' be marketed to people.

Well folks if you want unreleased unheard unfinished tracks out there you'd better buy the box set... if that fails to attract much of a market you can bet your bottom dollar no other similar product will see the light... just saying....

[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
. QP seem unable to grasp that other bands do this and as mentioned here Justin seems to be unaware of how it 'could ' be marketed to people.

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To be fair to Justin, he's an engineer/producer, and I wouldn't expect him to be involved too much on how to sell the stuff, anymore than I'd expect a marketing guy be able to mix and master a track!

It has been said before though that if Greg finds something in the vaults he goes to Justin with it and he seems to act as a 'middle man' and actually make a 'cull' before going to the band and Jim with suggestions based on what he THINKS they will approve. Perhaps he needs to be more open minded and throw pretty much everything relating to a project at them in the hope that more sticks.

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[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
. QP seem unable to grasp that other bands do this and as mentioned here Justin seems to be unaware of how it 'could ' be marketed to people.

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It has been said before though that if Greg finds something in the vaults he goes to Justin with it and he seems to act as a 'middle man' and actually make a 'cull' before going to the band and Jim with suggestions based on what he THINKS they will approve. Perhaps he needs to be more open minded and throw pretty much everything relating to a project at them in the hope that more sticks.[/QUOTE]



If that's the case, and I'm not disputing it for one minute, it does raise the question do Brian and Roger really know what's on the archive shelves. . .

Togg's mention of the NOTW box being a testing of the water, I've heard this too, but that being the case the choice of some of the live material and DVD length are probably not the best way to ensure huge interest from the core of people who would be interested in such products.

Vocal harmony, re:

>Togg's mention of the NOTW box being a testing of the water, I've heard this too, but that being the case the choice of some of the live material and DVD length are probably not the best way to ensure huge interest from the core of people who would be interested in such products

"I know", said Jim, "We'll test the water."
"What with?" said Brian, "Stereo photographs?"
"No, you curly haired prat. With a set of archive recordings that everyone wants to hear."
"Thank fucking CHRIST for that!" said John. "Those bastards have been after this for years and every time I go down the road to pick up my copy of The Sun, at least eighteen people ask me when Queen are going to release a box set of rare studio recordings. Personally, I've always been in favour of it as these are the things that people are really interested in and show how we all worked in the studio to achieve greatness. The business model works really well as has been shown by sets released by the likes of The Who and could really generate a huge amount of interest in the back catalogue again. I'm sure this must be up for a re-mastering soon, right?"

Jim, Brian and Roger all look at each other askance.

"Fucking hell John." said Roger. "I didn't even know you were here!"
"Yep - every meeting since we released No One But You, same seat, same coffee cup."

Jim slams down his gold fountain pen and ink splatters over the table.

"I fucking SAID to keep this bloke away from here! He's never got anything positive to contribute. Who is he again?"
"Played bass int he original band. Give him a chance, Jim" said Roger. "He's got a really good point there."
"No he hasn't. We'll test the water with something that COULD be really good, but isn't quite fulfilling what they KNOW it could be. They can moan like buggery amongst themselves and then it'll all fizzle out. Then, when we look at sales figures, we can point to them as not having bought the set and there being no real interest in rarities and never have to anything like this again."
"Jim, you're a bell end." Said John. Freddie would hate thinking like this and you weren't even his favourite manager."
"Dangle the carrott and laugh like sailors at their disappointed little faces!"

Movement in the corner distracts Jim, Roger and Brian at the table.

"Brian, stop dribbling and sit still like a good boy." said Roger. "Anita's on her way over with your porridge and a bag of sweets for you."
"Can I keep listening to Kerry's album though?"
"No, remember Anita hates the fact that you're always looking at her poster on the bedroom ceiling, Brian!"
"La la la......."

"Anyway, there's a recording session lined up with Adam in January so we'll all have moved on by then." said Jim, removing the pricetag from the sole of his new, Italian leather shoes.
"£300 they cost me, John"

John looks at Jim in horror. "Told you Roger - he's a greedy bastard and hasn't done the Queen brand any favours at all since Fred died."

"John," said Roger "that's the most I've ever heard you say........."

It’s probably for the best I didn’t go - I’d have only asked why the snare drum on ‘Live at The Bowl’ sounds like a packet of crisps being burst open on a soggy cardboard box.

@dudeofqueen Best fanfic ever. 9.9/10

I think we should forget about this rarities' bullshit and start making fictional stories. That would be the best for our health.

[QUOTE] [b]Vocal harmony wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]cmsdrums wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
. QP seem unable to grasp that other bands do this and as mentioned here Justin seems to be unaware of how it 'could ' be marketed to people.

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It has been said before though that if Greg finds something in the vaults he goes to Justin with it and he seems to act as a 'middle man' and actually make a 'cull' before going to the band and Jim with suggestions based on what he THINKS they will approve. Perhaps he needs to be more open minded and throw pretty much everything relating to a project at them in the hope that more sticks.[/QUOTE]



If that's the case, and I'm not disputing it for one minute, it does raise the question do Brian and Roger really know what's on the archive shelves. . .

Togg's mention of the NOTW box being a testing of the water, I've heard this too, but that being the case the choice of some of the live material and DVD length are probably not the best way to ensure huge interest from the core of people who would be interested in such products.
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I'm not really having a pop at Justin, although I'm surprised if he hadn't seen what bands like th Beatles etc had done in similar situations given he is directly involved with similar projects, you're right it's not his role as such, but it struck me as a strange comment from him.

I can only assume the NOTW box set is a bit of a half way house, some rarer items and a healthy chunk of more popular appeal to the masses stuff.

I planned on going but then never got round to buying the tickets, if they do it again ill be there in a heart beat if this is the only way we get to hear more about the studio practices, I'd probably ask waaaaay too many snare drum questions.....

Would have been great to be there and reply to Justin regarding his 'Unreleased tracks quip', with 'Oh you mean 'Self Made Man', 'Robbery' and the countless others which are 'unreleased'?'

Also morally, i'm not sure pricing the majority of Queen fans out of an event like this is the right way to go. I think there's better ways to raise money for charity if needed.

It wasn't for the majority of Queen fans, it was 50 people, and a great way to raise money IMO, if they'd of offered 500 people the same experience at £10 each they still wouldn't have made the same money and they'd have had to deal with dozens of numpties asking when Freddie caught Aids...

An event like this could never cater to the masses. It is exclusive and that's fine, but wouldn't it be better and maybe even more interesting if it was part of or in tandem with a physical CD or DVD release. It would have made much more sense to focus on NOTW this time. . .

Togg, nothing wrong with snare drum questions. I would have been asking about Brian signal path on various solos and rhythm parts. It really is a great chance to get inside the sessions and find out how things were done.

[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]

Regarding further releases of unfinished tracks

There is a school of thought that the NOTW box set is a 'test the water' product to see if there is a market for future releases of this nature. QP seem unable to grasp that other bands do this and as mentioned here Justin seems to be unaware of how it 'could ' be marketed to people.

Well folks if you want unreleased unheard unfinished tracks out there you'd better buy the box set... if that fails to attract much of a market you can bet your bottom dollar no other similar product will see the light... just saying....[/QUOTE]

Wow. Just wow. That's some serious Stockholm-syndrome there.

Ha... maybe but trust me when I say that 'thought process' is out there...

Like any 'brand' Queen test the water with every new release, if it works they do more.... why do you think we got so many Greatest hits packages?? because GH 1 was number one for the average lifetime of a cart horse...

Seriously you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that they just do whatever seems to sell, therefore if this product sells out quickly and needs multiple re-ordering they will do others, and they may eventually take this type of thing a bit more seriously, lets face it the only reason thsi type of product has been rejected so far is they 'believe' it wont sell and has limited appeal

Just sayin....

On the other hand, if it DOESN'T sell, they might actually realize that people don't want to pay too much for too little substance. If they're smart enough to look at their own sales, they're smart enough to compare their own sales with those of earlier releases (and other artists).

I'm not going to pay a large figure for one disc I like and a bunch of crap I don't like. I did pay for the Rainbow box, because that was a good release. If your logic applies, I've let them know what kind of release I want. Buying this big box of crap would mess that up.

Well said and totally agree with you thomasquinn 32989.
Buying it would mean more expensive future releases with minimal material(such as this one, NOTW).
I think they all need to test their brains because it's malfunctioning, or never did work.