ABBA vs Queen

[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]

Fred.....wrote most of their top 10 hits in the 1970s, . [/QUOTE]


Yes he did...but then again he wrote the minority of their top 10 hits after the 70s, so I'm not sure what point that proves?

Very true. His song writing decreased in quality in some respects when outside factors became more important to him. But without his early songwriting, and especially his hits, Queen would have failed. He wrote Bohemian Rhapsody. That on its own should end the discussion about how important he was to the band's success. In saying that, I'm not criticising Brian. I love most of his songs from the 1970s.

Tom63....Just pointing out a better way for Queen to end their Journey than Playing the old hits with Adam.. That's all....Holly, I do think Freddie had a slight edge on Brian in Impact and is my personal favorite. I Feel Brian is Fred's equal overall. On the same level. Brian wasn't beneath anybody in Rock. I agree with every word you said....this is why I think Vocal Harmony likes causing trouble...and why I'm not a fan. Freddie wrote all those early great songs on those first 5 albums that put Queen on the Map (Not only the hits) Without his voice, writing (underrated as a songwriter) artwork, the Name of the band...his overall vision there would be no Queen. Just give the man his props and move on. Of course Brian with his writing and style did as well, but to say Roger or John had the same Impact as Mercury is Just playing dumb. They were Important and underrated but not on the level of Mercury/May.

[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]

Ridiculous. There are elements of Queen in Smile -- how could there not be given Brian and Roger are part of both -- but Fred took a failed band and two musicians going nowhere and created Queen. Fred provided the fantastic lead vocals, wrote most of their top 10 hits in the 1970s, designed the logo, suggested the name, and was the driving force behind their stage identity and how they approached live work. He also wrote Bo Rap, the single song that has come to be identified with the band. Fred wasn't Queen on his own but he was the special ingredient that made Queen work compared to Smile's failure. Without Fred's vision, musical talent, and most importantly, his ability to write hits, Queen would never have existed. [/QUOTE]

Holly: Thanks at last someone on here who talks sense over Vocal Harmony.
Without Freddie Queen would not be a household name.
Freddie wrote the greatest song ever in Bohemian Rhapsody and is considered the greatest rock male vocalist ever.
Freddie also stole Live Aid in 1985. I rest my case.

How is this even debatable? Both Brian And Roger both said they were about to give up then came Freddie with these great and crazy ideas and decided to give it more shot. Not giving Mercury credit for Queen is like A Beatles fan not giving Lennon credit.

Mike, aha I see what your aiming for and I think you're right.

Tom

And without the success of Rye and Especially Killer Queen there might not even be a BO RHap.....without those 3 songs=no Queen. Brian even said it.

It's called greediness.
Make as much money as you can while you can, people who think otherwise are being fooled. Keeping the queen name/legend/music alive is just an
excuse, there are many other ways you can do that without this craziness going on now. As musicians over the last 20 years it's been shameful........

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[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]

Fred.....wrote most of their top 10 hits in the 1970s, . [/QUOTE]


Yes he did...but then again he wrote the minority of their top 10 hits after the 70s, so I'm not sure what point that proves?[/QUOTE]

Are you trying too say I Want To Break Free and those 80's hits had anything to with Queens greatness? The point is there would be no Queen without Seven seas Of Rye, Killer Queen and course their biggest song and one of the best of all time...those 3 songs are what made Queen. Then he kept the ball rolling with Somebody to love and Champions. By the time 80's came around they only needed the occasional big hit to stay relevant. The hits are what got them big, but doesn't tell the whole story of course. Speak with the die hard fans, and their favorites are Queen, Queen 2, SHA, Opera/Races And NOTW. How many songs did Freddie write in that time period? Over 25 songs in their golden era....most were excellent....how many did Roger write? John? Even Brian wrote less. Then you have the nerve to say what's point that Freddie wrote most of the 70's hits! It's his writing and stage presense, the Art work. All the amazing songs he wrote, hits or not.

[QUOTE] [b]happystar wrote:[/b]

Holly: Thanks at last someone on here who talks sense over Vocal Harmony.
Without Freddie Queen would not be a household name.
Freddie wrote the greatest song ever in Bohemian Rhapsody and is considered the greatest rock male vocalist ever.
Freddie also stole Live Aid in 1985. I rest my case.
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Gerry, do you masturbate before, during, or after all of your rants? Left hand or right hand while you type?

You do work yourself into such a lather. Does Momma yell down to you in the basement to keep it down while you b*tch and moan and try to type?

A shame that as an old time fan you can never bring anything new or worthwhile to this forum.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

Mike Hunt: Great post and straight to the point. You are spot on. Many consider themselves Queen fans on here but are a joke because they never defend what they are supposed to love i.e Freddie who is the most beloved member of Queen.
Many accept the crap of today that May & Taylor offer with tongue in cheek and because they get away with it they take the p*ss out of there fans even more by employing an american berk who thinks he is it! Short changed Queen fans swallow the crap and encourage May & Taylor to dish out even more sh*t.

Mike, even the die-hards fans raised an eyebrow or two on songs as Body Language, Delilah, Pain is Close, or the less effort Freddie has put into Mr.Badguy, I see myself as die-hard, old school, since I follow the band from Seven Seas. But believe me, Freddie is amazing, in many ways and aspects, but he isn't flawless. I don't care for the Adam thing either, but as Sebastian has put it down nicely, is also my view on Adam and Queen, nothing less or more.

Tom

Of course he lost the plot at times...I don't like every song or album he did, but I also don't diminish his Importance to the band. I already stated they all had their part and were great. My comments are directed at a few who try and diminish what he meant to Queen, so I remind them of the facts. That's all. No more going around In circles with this discussion...If you think Mercury had little Impact on the sound of Queen and then claim Queen 2 and ANATO are your favorite albums you look like a fool. He wrote most the stuff on them. Along with Brian of course.

So I'm a fool now? I think I stepped on somebody's toes then.


Tom