ABBA vs Queen

You know what I meant Tom.....I said a person looks like a fool Or just playing dumb (Not saying they are dumb) If they try and say the voice and most prolific writer in the group didn't have a huge Impact on the group....I have no problem with you. Not that you care, but my favorite and most level headed posters on here are you, Sebastian and Holly. Most others have their own agenda.

Freddie was just a blossoming seed in the very early days, who needed Roger and Brian as fertilizer to grow.

I think the criticism of Freddie is a counter-reaction to the Gerryatric that holds Freddie as the perfect God incarnate.

Freddie was the primary driver of the band's success, but he would likely not have succeeded as a musician without Queen. No Brian, No Roger ... NO Queen.

Even Freddie said he was not the leader of the band, but was only one of four equal parts

[QUOTE] [b]Panchgani wrote:[/b]

Freddie was just a blossoming seed in the very early days, who needed Roger and Brian as fertilizer to grow.

I think the criticism of Freddie is a counter-reaction to the Gerryatric that holds Freddie as the perfect God incarnate.

Freddie was the primary driver of the band's success, but he would likely not have succeeded as a musician without Queen. No Brian, No Roger ... NO Queen.

Even Freddie said he was not the leader of the band, but was only one of four equal parts [/QUOTE]

How about all four members were great....Freddie was the driving force for their success is actually my only point. Good post because without each other I think none of them make it. Why? They weren't 19 years old. They were all getting on in years. Freddie was almost 27 when Queen was released, which was getting up there in those days. Brian and Roger were ready to call it a day, but Freddie convinced them to give it one more shot. 4 smart guys had other options. The Question Is, what would have happened if they never found the right Bass player? No John=No Queen....

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[QUOTE] [b]happystar wrote:[/b]

Holly: Thanks at last someone on here who talks sense over Vocal Harmony.
Without Freddie Queen would not be a household name.
Freddie wrote the greatest song ever in Bohemian Rhapsody and is considered the greatest rock male vocalist ever.
Freddie also stole Live Aid in 1985. I rest my case.
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Gerry, do you masturbate before, during, or after all of your rants? Left hand or right hand while you type?

You do work yourself into such a lather. Does Momma yell down to you in the basement to keep it down while you b*tch and moan and try to type?

A shame that as an old time fan you can never bring anything new or worthwhile to this forum.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

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I've tried masturbating with my left hand while typing many times and every time I get blisters.

Hmmm ... maybe the nth time's a charm.

In fact I am doing it right now while watching this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1p8vXqEN-Y

Shit I need to go to the emergency room right away. I hope Wally can be saved.

Great video....fred was crazy in his day.

Panchgani : You are a stupid twat, and shows how infantile your comments really are.
if any ones a wanker on here its you mate. i bet you have not got a cock to wank cos your a cunt.

[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]

Ridiculous. There are elements of Queen in Smile -- how could there not be given Brian and Roger are part of both -- but Fred took a failed band and two musicians going nowhere and created Queen. . . . [/QUOTE]

I wasn't disputing that Freddie's input and impact was huge. I was making the point the Brian was Freddie's equal.

Having members of on band becoming part of another doesn't mean that the framework of the first bands sound will be part of the later. Listen to what Freddie did Pre Queen then compare it to Smile and tell me which sounds more like 70's Queen.

By the same token, members of a band can change style sound and image completely thus making your point about Smile and Queen slightly off the pace, go and listen to Very early Status Quo, the sound , the image and then compare it to mid 70's Quo song like Rain. It's pretty obvious that having the same people in a band doesn't mean that a certain sound will be carried forward.

Freddie was a brilliant song writer and singer, but he used ( or the band used) Brian's input, guitar sounds and his ideas about three part harmonies, to give all there songs a certain sound, obviously Freddie ran with the idea and created some amazing parts but the Genisis of the Queen sound was in Smile.

Was Freddie a superior song writer than Brian, no. Was Brian better than Freddie, no. Just because Freddie was responsible for a lot of their 70's singles doesn't mean that he was a better writer, in fact the only single from their 70's period that was clearly the best song on its album was Bo Rhap.

Singles and there chart positions don't reflect on song writing prowess, if it did Stock Aitken and Waterman piss all over Freddie!

Vocal Harmony, well written, as with you previous post, I reckon that May have written absolute top notch songs, and of course some hick ups, Dancer for example. For me as an outsider, I believe that Freddie brought out the best in Brian, which of course works the other way also. They needed each other, there were a band with a capital B.

Tom

TomP63 thank you. It is just a view, there'll be some who don't see it like that.

That's what I been saying from the beginning....I would never say Freddie was Queen. I have heard people say that and it pisses me off. The one thing I'll say is Mercury had a style all is own and sounded nothing like smile. Smile were blues Rock. Nothing like Queen. Even if some of the harmonies were there. He was a genius, even though he wrote some crap. I would say Brian was/is as well...so basically we agree on this stuff, but we're still arguing for some reason. I Just don't see Roger and John on that level...they were a step behind, but still very good.

Mike, you are right, the topic was ABBA vs Queen, somehow, somewhere the plot thickens, and nobody spend another word on ABBA, I geuss ABBA found their new Waterloo on the Queen forum ;-)
And yes you have stated that Freddie is or for that matter was Queen.


Tom

VH: You said "singles and there chart positions do not reflect on there prowess well i disagree with you there.
The singles chart did reflect which songs were popular and sold the most in the 70s and Freddie had more top 3 hits than any other band member. We are the champions (no2) "Somebody to Love" (no2)
"Bohemian Rhapsody" (no 1) "Killer Queen" (no2) "Crazy little thing called love" (no2) Which Puts Freddie as king songwriter in Queen by miles.

@Mike: And yes you have stated that Freddie is or for that matter was Queen. Correction: You have NOT stated that Freddie is soley Queen.

Thanks for correcting that! That would started this whole argument again.lol....I'm actually fan of all four members. The problem is some people (I'm actually guilty of this) is when they try and make a point they diminish what the other members have done. So if It's a Freddie vs Brian debate I might find faults and exploit Brian's faults If I side with Freddie... Making me sound like a Freddie only fan. Others it might be the other way around. Even if That's far from the truth. I'm actually a huge May fan...his songs are classic.

Yes all 4 members are awesome as Queen as that was the winning formula, anything after that is really like putting a skoda engine in a rolls royce!
Freddie was the engine for Queen.