QAL Europe/UK Tour — 2018

snifflese wrote:

Maybe you could both come to a truce and let bygones be bygones and just start over. The only thing I will dispute with you is that you feel no one has been critical of Adam on QOL and I have mentioned several times that I don't agree with that. There has not been anything much for the last year or so, but some long time posters made some couched homophobic remarks that left me scratching my head saying to myself,"Wasn't Freddie gay?" Fairy Dandy was the worst one, but I do feel there were inappropriate remarks made over the years. Just like here I don't think it is nice what Runner and Happy Star say referring to his transvestite image and calling him Lady.... To me those are veiled homophobic remarks, but on QOL, it was much more obvious.

I really do feel Adam was stigmatized for his "gayness" in the beginning. I think his trajectory would have been totally different if not for those unfortunate AMA's. He got hammered for his orientation and I am not sure others would have weathered it so well. It has certainly not been smooth sailing like it has been for our mutual buddy Sam Smith. I don't know why one gets a pass and the other doesn't. I guess Sam is less in your face, although some of his pics have been more Adamlike recently (more power to him!). I do believe some of the problems Adam has had have been a result of his sexuality, particularly early on. He has mentioned it more lately and I don't feel he is one to lie or make up stories. I think Caroline is right about that.

I think it would be very hard for her to let bygones be bygones. Especially when she cannot admit to being wrong, even when the truth is out there. If she admitted she was wrong, that would be a good place to start.
I have admitted I've been harsh, I can and I will admit to any shortcomings. I still get told to STFU, compared to Trump, that I should see a shrink, that I'm a trouble maker, a stalker and much more besides. Not once have the person behind that has ever said sorry. Maybe she thought by offering me tickets was some sort of olive branch. Her reasoning in offering was because she was sick of me never having seen the show. That's one of her biggest complaints about me. Even after I have explained why I couldn't go to Q+AL shows. I have bigger worries than to go to Q +AL concerts.
I know people have been critical about AL. I have been that way myself. Then again, I have been critical about Freddie and Queen about some things in their history. Sun City, Put Out The Fire, for example. I think the Pepsi advery Brian and Roger did with Britney, Pink and Beyonce was the worst of Q+.
I think what Freddie and AL went through, can't really be compared. What Freddie went through on his deathbed is worse than anything AL ever went through. It's not easy for anyone in the music business, right now I think it's tougher than it has been in years, because music is being streamed instead of physical copies. As much as I do stream ( and I am over my data to prove it ) I'd rather have something in my hands to play.
I have admitted that I like Sam Smith more than AL. That's a black mark against me in someone's eyes. Sam Smith's recent single didn't do all that well, and you couldn't find me running around blaming homophobia for it. Or any excuse in the book.
As for homophobia...I know what it can do. I've been through it, I know what it's about. Nothing said on QOL about AL was ever homophobic, even though there was plenty of claims about it. A person saying they don't like AL's vocals, is not homophobic. Nor is not liking how AL dresses, is not homophobic. Brian calls AL madam at times, I wonder if that is considered homophobic by Glamberts? I know of them some don't like it. Sweetcaroline has used the homophobia excuse way too often for far too long regarding AL. I can't help but wonder if she really knows what homophobia is.
AL seems to be very open about his sexuality these days. I'm sure that will help some people. But I know Sam Smith has helped people out too. I think there enough room for both of them in today's world. Good for them both for being so open.

Icy, I am not in any way comparing homophobia back in Freddie's time and now. There is absolutely no comparison. It must have been awful and I cannot even imagine. I do think great strides have been made since 2009. No one would even blink about the AMA's now. I have seen things on TV I would never have anticipated years ago. I think great strides have been made but 10 years ago it was quite different than now.
We will have to respectfully disagree about homophobia on QOL. I see it quite differently, but that is OK! I don't think too many Glamberts are upset about Madam. It is actually kind of cute and it isn't things like that which I am referring to. I am glad that things are getting out in the world and people are free to be who they want to be. I do think it would be in Adam's best interests not to share quite so many pics and things, as not everyone is as liberal as others. But I am sure he would not care to have those people for fans! I guess artists just have to be their best selves and that is all they can do!

One would never know what thread they're in, in this section of the forum. Just pick one and it devolves into the same shit.

Caroline you do know favors for Adam, and your obsession is kinda cringe-worthy. I'm convinced you truly believe there isn't room for both of them (Sam and Adam) in today's world. There are others that could fill in nicely on this tour, and that's not a slight to Adam. Marc Martel would pleasantly fit in, and I believe he would lend to a more "rock" set list. He could pull off some of the earlier stuff, like Liar, White Queen (great song for a Brian solo showcase such as in Live at the Rainbow), and I think he'd be a good fit for Innuendo, more so than Adam. Adam is a better fit for the ballads, but it would be an interesting trade off for the show. And this may be an unpopular opinion, but I think Marc's got a better stage presence for Queen. Adam has great stage presence for his other live performances (Whole Lotta Love Gridlock performance comes to mind, even with the Jazz hands), but the Queen stuff seems a bit contrived. That being said, I don't believe Marc Martel is a better or more technically skilled singer than Adam. Adam is an extremely skilled singer. Now, if only Dimash could speak English . . . well, he'd slay the Queen catalogue . . .

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just rewatched the gridlock performance. Very good, Powerful. His "rock voice" is more suited for Zeppelin or GNR. Not Queen.

This is one heck of a performance for Adam:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS38hz5PERU

Brancelli after seeing this abomination Robert Plant and Jimmy Page can be relieved hat there is noch Led Zed plus AL. THis is absolutely atrocious seeing him yodeling thru WLL. The guy is a bloody insult to music. And his looks make me vomit,.

Andno I dont care if he f**** guys or sheep. I just hate him for trying to make music. He is utter garbage. The worst example for casting show freaks ever.

Hey Runner, thanks! I was looking forward to your response the most, despite it being the most predictable. My first and last response to you though, as your comments are pretty much ignorable. I can see not liking his voice and thinking it to be not very palatable, but it's difficult to deny the man can sing. the last 3 or 4 minutes of that video capture an undeniable vocal talent.

If you think that yodeling scales which is totally unnecessary is good singing then I pity you. The guy is an abomination and cannot sing to save his life.

ok, I lied. I guess I will respond once more to you, even though it's not gonna be productive. I'm very knowledgeable in terms of vocal skill, and have listened to a plethora of singers (I have 30,000 songs on my itunes). I don't limit myself like Caroline to one person and am a music lover. The skill of Adam Lambert is not subjective. You may not like how his voice sounds which I can understand, but you are showing your ignorance here when you say "The guy is an abomination and cannot sing to save his life". That's just being a troll, and I'm not sure why anyone even acknowledges any of your responses. I'll continue to ignore you after this, and it would be wise for everyone else to do the same.

Brancelli wrote:

just rewatched the gridlock performance. Very good, Powerful. His "rock voice" is more suited for Zeppelin or GNR. Not Queen.

This is one heck of a performance for Adam:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS38hz5PERU

Don't hate me, or call me negative, but I don't like him covering WLL at all. I know it's held up as some sort of example that he can sing rock, but there are better harder rock songs he has done. TYMD at one show in particular was pretty damn good, I wish that version was still up on YouTube.
He has improved, I will give hm that, but songs like Stone Cold Crazy isn't his strongest point, IMO. Things like Save Me suit him better than I thought possible.
So that is that.

snifflese wrote:

Icy, I am not in any way comparing homophobia back in Freddie's time and now. There is absolutely no comparison. It must have been awful and I cannot even imagine. I do think great strides have been made since 2009. No one would even blink about the AMA's now. I have seen things on TV I would never have anticipated years ago. I think great strides have been made but 10 years ago it was quite different than now.
We will have to respectfully disagree about homophobia on QOL. I see it quite differently, but that is OK! I don't think too many Glamberts are upset about Madam. It is actually kind of cute and it isn't things like that which I am referring to. I am glad that things are getting out in the world and people are free to be who they want to be. I do think it would be in Adam's best interests not to share quite so many pics and things, as not everyone is as liberal as others. But I am sure he would not care to have those people for fans! I guess artists just have to be their best selves and that is all they can do!

Thanks for being reasonable. I can't forget what Freddie went through with the tabloids back then, no one deserved that. That is one thing I will defend Freddie for, that he deserved his privacy. Every one does.
I think people like Freddie, Bowie and even Elton John paved the way for AL, GaGa and many more. And I'm glad they did, otherwise like it or not, the music world would be boring if people copied what came before.
The only homophobia comment and content I ever saw on QOL was a person blasting Freddie because that poster did not think Freddie was open enough about his sexuality and illness. Holy crap, snifflese, it made things said by runner, Happy's and myself look tame in comparison.
How I look at it is this. Freddie never hid who he was, and nor was or is he known more for his orientation than his music. Some people think that about him, and it's another wrong assumption. If I saw anyone be homophobic on QOL, no matter who it was...well you say at times I'm like a dog with a bone, and yes I have been and would be if I saw that. It's just so wrong for anyone to say 100's of people on QOL don't accept AL because he is gay. That's so messed up to me. Do I think there have been strong and even heated discussions about AL? Of course, I have been there almost throughout it all. But no homophobia, I promise. Just a question if I may ask you. Would you think a comment like this " ** sings like a girl" homophobic? I'd genuinely would like your POV about it.

I agree his rock voice would be very suited to Gun's, Zep or Aerosmith maybe. I don't personally think the gridlock one is the best example of WLL, from a technical vocal pov I prefer Moscow, far more controlled but it doesn't help that the gridlock one still isn't a great recording even after being improved.

As to not suiting Queen, voice and especially stage presence wise, I disagree, and especially this tour, people are absolutely loving him. Queen were theatrical but I'm sure if they'd gone with a singer more straightforward rock initially, that would have worked great as well, but after seeing Adam's take on it, it just works. Granted if he wasn't an amazing singer he wouldn't get away with all the other stuff, or more to the point it wouldn't make up for not being able to sing, but the two things together work great IMO.

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SweetCaroline wrote:
So Inu what didn’t they like about “Caroline” — that she is too positive and they prefer negative nellies like Icy, happystar and running 70?

That's your problem: What YOU mistake for being "too positive," people actually said you "go overboard," are "annoying," "super mental." More was said, but these are words I recall were directly uttered, and I'm not making shit up here. They also said you contribute to making this website look bad, and to reference what you said above, believe me, other were people WERE mentioned and not just you alone, but the fact of the matter is, you were probably THE one most mentioned very negatively out of all the negative nasties.

But you probably won't care, because you seem to have a real mental problem that ties in with a severely stubborn inability to accept fault or take responsibility for how your actions really DO reflect on the site to other users AND casual outsider visitors to the site. You can think all you want that I'm being an asshole saying all this to you, and that's fine by me because I don't care if you do, I'm only telling you the facts on my part anyway, and I don't argue with the facts.