Iron Butterfly
Obviously I don't know Brian or Roger so can only go off my perspective of what their reasons might be for giving him so much freedom, based on interviews and things I've heard them say and how I think they mean them.
Anyone who's followed Adam knows he's not good at being told what to do, it's the main reason he wanted to leave the theater world and be a recording artist, he needs freedom of expression and I suspect Brian & Roger are well aware of that especially the longer they've worked with him. I do believe him when he says "If Brian & Roger had said stand here, sing like this, act like that etc" he would have done it, but not for six years, it just wouldn't have worked for him. They have said he's very respectful towards Freddie and them and is always looking for the right way to do things, nothings ever too much trouble and that they trust his judgement. Roger also said "he's very musical and we certainly take anything he say's very seriously." I don't know what they thought of the way he acts onstage initially but they had to have known what he's like after watching the Glamnation tour so they knew exactly what they getting and it clearly didn't put them off. If the feedback had been negative after the shows I'm sure they would have asked him to tone things down but people take to him very easily and the feedback is mostly positive so they probably think if it isn't broke why fix it. It may seem like he's just messing around but he puts a lot of thought into what he does, he likes making the show thematic (his word). Obviously it won't be everyone's taste but it seems to work for most people. Judging from Brian & Rogers reactions to things he does onstage I get the feeling they find him funny, there's lots of clips where they're laughing at him alongside the audience. I can't see the coronet disappearing anytime soon he's had it since the early shows and since barely no one ever mentions it in comments to them they probably don't even think about it. Adam actually took it off and gave it to Brian at an early show and Brian stuck it back on his head so I would say he's onboard with it.
As to WLL, he's done that many different versions of that song at his shows, I like some and not others. One of the things I love about him with Queen is that it's a chance to hear him really sing. I'm not a fan of pop and especially EDM so I love him doing Queen songs and the other covers he does on his solo shows. I agree he needs to leave the EDM/pop behind and hopefully he will with album four. In his latest interview he said he's doing this album for himself and hopefully people will connect with it so I guess we'll see.
A typical rock fan, who loves the raw, unpolished voices, loud instruments and the often typical male machos presenting a straight forward show will always have a problem with Queen. That’s true now and it had been true 40 years ago. Because Queen has never been that. They always challenged the audiences and pushed the boundaries. A reason, why back in the days they got a lot of hate and bad reviews.
Now Freddie has been put on a pedestal, so high, that he himself would laugh about it. The guy, who had been criticized for his over-the-top stage persona, is now considered a God by some of his fans. (Yes, he was great, but a human being with flaws as well. )
The same fans often criticize Lambert for his over-The-top performance style. Yes, he’s different, but not completely. Queen is again playing their great songs and taking the audiences on a ride, for some a really challenging ride, that they might not like.
That’s great!
Unfortunately some Freddie purists can’t see these similarities and became the hardest critiques of Queen + Lambert.
By saying, that QAL are not a „real rock band“, they put their own reasoning completely ad absurdum.
Icy, I do have one thing to comment on. You said in the above post, , "It's just so wrong for anyone to say100's of people on QOL don't accept AL because he is gay". I am assuming you meant me and I can see you saying that Sniffleses said this...... about people on QOL. That is what I mean about twisting things people say. I said there were some people (FD in particular) and some others who made dicey remarks. This is a handful over time. I am not sure there have ever been 100's or posters on QOL since I have been reading there. There are not a whole lot of people actually! Please don't repeat the statement about the 100's, because that was not said or meant.
I agree totally with what Sea Lion says. There is a world of difference between a raw male oriented rock group and Queen. Queen music is over the top (Fat Bottom Girls anyone/) and they require an over the top singer who has the vocal range of the music. There are not many people who fit the bill. Yes, I suppose Adam could be a little more natural, but I think concerts are more scripted now and if it works, let's keep it in. That said for me, Marc Martel is not very dynamic. I probably wouldn't go to see Queen with him singing. He reminds me of Paul Rogers somewhat (not the voice) but having little charisma. I also don't like the tone of his voice on some of the ballads and more whimsical material. I have seen quite a few youtubes where he sounds pretty bad and his fans always say it is the end of the tour! Doesn't seem that his voice is as reliable as Adam. That is one of Adam's greatest strengths actually.
I saw Marc and Jeff Scott Soto and Jennifer Espinoza and 3 others the first year (2012) they toured as QE and I thought they were quite good. I don’t know how Marc would be as the soloist/front man with Brian and Roger. I remember panicking about how in the world Adam was going to sing all of the songs these 6 people were performing. So I was thrilled when the Kiev show came off so well!
[QUOTE] [b]snifflese wrote:[/b]
Icy, I do have one thing to comment on. You said in the above post, , "It's just so wrong for anyone to say100's of people on QOL don't accept AL because he is gay". I am assuming you meant me and I can see you saying that Sniffleses said this...... about people on QOL. That is what I mean about twisting things people say. I said there were some people (FD in particular) and some others who made dicey remarks. This is a handful over time. I am not sure there have ever been 100's or posters on QOL since I have been reading there. There are not a whole lot of people actually! Please don't repeat the statement about the 100's, because that was not said or meant.
I agree totally with what Sea Lion says. There is a world of difference between a raw male oriented rock group and Queen. Queen music is over the top (Fat Bottom Girls anyone/) and they require an over the top singer who has the vocal range of the music. There are not many people who fit the bill. Yes, I suppose Adam could be a little more natural, but I think concerts are more scripted now and if it works, let's keep it in. That said for me, Marc Martel is not very dynamic. I probably wouldn't go to see Queen with him singing. He reminds me of Paul Rogers somewhat (not the voice) but having little charisma. I also don't like the tone of his voice on some of the ballads and more whimsical material. I have seen quite a few youtubes where he sounds pretty bad and his fans always say it is the end of the tour! Doesn't seem that his voice is as reliable as Adam. That is one of Adam's greatest strengths actually. [/QUOTE]
No, I didn't mean you. Homophobia has been claimed by sweetcaroline for everything about AL not being accepted by Queen fans, to the reason AL's music never sold as much as others, when it wasn't played etc. A bit like the boy who cried wolf, considering what she has blamed homophobia in regard AL's career.
QE has dug deeper into the Queen back catalogue than Q+AL ever has. Based on that alone, I appreciate that, because some Queen songs are very hard to pull off, but QE did just that. Plus, no gimmcks so that's a bonus for me. I've come to respect QE, that said the new guy just doesn't do a thing for me from what I've seen so far. It's like he is trying too hard to be perfect and that's not what music is about for me.
Yup all of these guys, QAL, QE, new QE are planning their shows with the express goal of pleasing and giving a “bonus” to Icy up in Canada because SHE is the most devoted Queen fan who ever walked this earth! God help us!
The new QE guy - while miles apart from Martel is still better than Lame-Bert
[QUOTE] [b]SweetCaroline wrote:[/b]
Yup all of these guys, QAL, QE, new QE are planning their shows with the express goal of pleasing and giving a “bonus” to Icy up in Canada because SHE is the most devoted Queen fan who ever walked this earth! God help us!
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You prove my point. You don't want anything but praise. I said it was a bonus for me that QE doesn't have gimmicks in their shows, a very valid point actually.
I'm a Queen fan, but far from the most devoted. But at least I can discuss the band. You rarely do, and when you do Freddie on Supermans shoulders make you go OMG that was awful!!
God help you indeed, because I think you need it.
Both the new QE guy and Martel are miles apart from Adam, who is second only to Freddie!
[QUOTE] [b]SweetCaroline wrote:[/b]
Both the new QE guy and Martel are miles apart from Adam, who is second only to Freddie!
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Such a shocker you would say that *sarcasm*
I bet you have watched and listened to more of AL than you ever did about Freddie and Queen, and not as if you listen to or watch much else than AL anyways. So it's no shocker at all you think AL is second only to Freddie. Spoken like a true stepford.
Icy, why can't Caroline have that opinion? It wasn't as easy to watch Queen before the internet and youtubes. I have only been watching videos on-line since 2009 and that is because of Adam. From the moment I saw him on Idol, I got a lap top and started watching youtubes. I thought I was in 7th heaven. All I had ever heard before were Queen albums and CD's and I am sure that is the case with Caroline. There is something about watching a person on youtube or listening on a stream. I was amazed that you could do that and it is a richer experience than a just listening to a CD. I liked Adam because of the voice and he reminded me of Elvis whom I loved. I have seen Elvis in concert and Adam has that same "Watch Me" effect that Elvis did. I think I have heard Carloline say the same and also many Glamberts. For us Adam was a big reminder of Elvis, just a different kind of voice. I have certainly seen way more of Adam and QAL than Queen with Freddie just because of the new technology (to me anyway!) a nd the fact that I was retired. I also like Adam second to Freddie and I think that is allowed. I don't know why it bothers you so much that some of us really love QAL. It is the way it is. No one currently comes close to Adam singing the Queen repetoire, IMO. That isn't promoting or bigging up. It is just our preference. I do think Soto comes the closest for me after Adam, but he doesn't have the really high range, but I like his sound. Maybe it is just because I have heard Adam sing with them so many times over the years that it sounds natural to me, like that is the way it is supposed to be and the others don't sound right. Just like you love Freddie, some of us love Adam in the same way, since Freddie is not here to sing anymore.
[QUOTE] [b]snifflese wrote:[/b]
Icy, why can't Caroline have that opinion? It wasn't as easy to watch Queen before the internet and youtubes. I have only been watching videos on-line since 2009 and that is because of Adam. From the moment I saw him on Idol, I got a lap top and started watching youtubes. I thought I was in 7th heaven. All I had ever heard before were Queen albums and CD's and I am sure that is the case with Caroline. There is something about watching a person on youtube or listening on a stream. I was amazed that you could do that and it is a richer experience than a just listening to a CD. I liked Adam because of the voice and he reminded me of Elvis whom I loved. I have seen Elvis in concert and Adam has that same "Watch Me" effect that Elvis did. I think I have heard Carloline say the same and also many Glamberts. For us Adam was a big reminder of Elvis, just a different kind of voice. I have certainly seen way more of Adam and QAL than Queen with Freddie just because of the new technology (to me anyway!) a nd the fact that I was retired. I also like Adam second to Freddie and I think that is allowed. I don't know why it bothers you so much that some of us really love QAL. It is the way it is. No one currently comes close to Adam singing the Queen repetoire, IMO. That isn't promoting or bigging up. It is just our preference. I do think Soto comes the closest for me after Adam, but he doesn't have the really high range, but I like his sound. Maybe it is just because I have heard Adam sing with them so many times over the years that it sounds natural to me, like that is the way it is supposed to be and the others don't sound right. Just like you love Freddie, some of us love Adam in the same way, since Freddie is not here to sing anymore.
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She can have that opinion, sure. But I will say it's bullshit considering she doesn't like many other artists and their music than AL's...I think it's fair to say that.
Why was it hard for you to watch Queen at that point? For a few years the music was everywhere, so much so, it was hard to escape it. Queen had a resurgence after Freddie died, and Hollywood Records did a very good job of getting the music out there. If not for Hollywood Records the music would have been so much harder to find and have.
You probably know I can't go to many concerts. So I stream and watch YouTube as well. So many artists and concerts, I will never have time to watch it all. I get bitches because I couldn't go to Q+AL shows.
As for AL, when I watched him on Idol, I never thought of him resembling Elvis. In a way, I think it's a shame how some people compare AL to Elvis. I don't quite mean you here, because I don't think you did before.
The respect and admiration I have for Freddie cannot be compared to whatever it is that sweetcaroline has for AL. I have my own reasons for feeling how I do about Freddie, even now, while I think sweetcaroline put too much stock into how she thinks AL looks. I don't think I behave like a preteen swoonng over how Freddie looked. She has swooned and fangirled about AL even on Queen boards. Whatever I do feel about Freddie, it's miles apart than how she thinks and behaves about AL.
Not meaning to start anything by what I'm about to say, but for me, it will never be natural having AL sing Queen songs. There was only one Queen singer for me, and that was Freddie. No one is comes close, let alone being second only to the legend himself.
Lamefart reminds me you of Elvis in his "fat" phase. But without the screeching and his Custumes lookinf like a retarded Clown in dope. And as far as I know Elvis did not butcher any queen Songs like the annoying tool does.
rockchick, I completely agree with something you wrote on the previous page. Unfortunately I'm not adept at responding to a particular post. I've never heard the WLL from Russia, but if that's the same place he sang an incredible version of Sleepwalker then I bet is was very good, he seemed to be in good form for that particular song. Will look for it now.
And Caroline, the fact that you "panicked" because someone else was successful singing Queen songs is all I really need to know. You have a disease, and need help.
