[QUOTE] [b]dysan wrote:[/b]
They made the recording of Mr Bad Guy looks really bad. The abysmal music (what WAS that??), keytar and the Hoxton version of what a naff 80s band would look like.[/QUOTE]
That abysmal music was an outtake of Mr. Bad Guy (the song). The orchestra part, if I remember correctly.
So, I am wondering, were all the instruments replicas? Were all the costumes replicas? Did anything original appear (such as the real Red Special or real locations/costumes/pieces of paper with lyrics, set lists, etc.)?
I’m certain some of the eagle eyed experts here would know, or maybe someone has heard this answered elsewhere.
OK, there were prop Red Specials used - I just was reading about. Silly question on my part, because of change in appearance of the Red Special at different times.
The rest of the band had such a minimal screen time its ridiculous, their characters had no development at all no story behind them, all to make more space for Freddie's drama.
I think BM and RT showed a large dose of altruism.
The scene in the limo where Freddie says he is not betraying his "family" and throws out manager Reid, that was a load of rubbish invented just to make Freddie look good.
But if you are a Freddie fanboy you miss these kind of details...
Saw it yesterday.
If I were to venture a guess as to who shaped the story I would point to Jim Beach rather than Brian. He looks so nice and honorable and is even given the Trip Khalaf role at Live Aid.
What I did miss were Freddie's friends from the party-era. No-one gets a mention as if he had no real friends there. Not even a Phoebe scene. Just Paul fucking Prenter.
But, its a crowd pleaser. Packed house is if it were a superhero movie. Nice to see the young people. I am hoping they get the same revaluation that many of us had at their age and understand the fact that this band made all those great songs.
Hi to all,
I hope I do not break any rules by joining the discussion right on. I am a newbie here, but I'm a hardcore Queen fan from Russia for more than 20 years (since my teens). I've read all books available, seen plenty of interviews, watched all the documentary and concert footage I could grab my hands on and all my friends are Queen fans. I can say that Queen shaped my life the way it is.
I am not a Freddie fangirl. I've always argued with people who take Queen superficially telling them that they should listen to Back to the light or Happiness. Actually my favourite one is John Deacon.
I am certainly NOT ANTI-MAYLOR (I've read the thread from the start). I love WWRY, I've been to Queen + Paul Rodgers and I used to have huge respect for what they do with Queen legacy.
Until two days ago at the Bo Phap opening night in my town in Russia.
So... my hopes were high for the movie. I watched it in English so I was getting ready to take in the great Queen spirit once again.
Then I started noticing mistakes in timing... Fat Bottomed Girls in 1976? Ok... Where are Sheffield brothers and a wonderful story of Death on two legs? Ok then...
WWRY in 1980? What are they leading to?
Jim Beach leaving because of Mr Bad Guy in early 1980s (not in 1978)? Paul Prenter selling Freddie to a press in 1985 (it was 187 in real life).
Freddie telling about AIDS to other band members in 1985? Nonsense... Jim Beach said that he was the first to know in 1989-90 and had to keep it secret before Freddie told the others.
When the movie got to an apologizing before Live Aid scene, I was feeling betrayed. I could not take it in at once, I couldn't imagine that Brian and Roger being the producers of the film should be so shallow to show Freddie like that. I thought it humiliating. Why won't they apologize for that "We got you out of Heathrow airport?" Why their private life is not discussed or frowned upon in the movie? Why all the lines in the movie lead to a humiliated (not humble) lost embarassed Freddie with AIDS who is asking to join the band?
Ok, I was hoping that this is not a climax of the movie. Then Live Aid sequence was re-produced. Personally I saw no point in that. Some things were added in fact, it is not reproduced immaculately. A kiss to a mom and Freddie playing with a camera man - this isn't in the actual footage. We can always watch Live Aid. Why wasting screen time?
And then the movie ends. Like nothing happened to Freddie ever since. No Barcelona album, no Innuendo or The Show Must Go On. Not the struggle to sing on the last albums.
When I left the cinema, I was crying. Not because of sadness or joy. My feeling was for Freddie and "Why they did it to him???" He cannot retort with one of his witty remarks.
Personally I think they are tryng to re-write Queen history and it is really awful that they do it now. Even if this conversation DID happen, it should better be left where it is. Freddie did not let out any personal details about the band inner deals and conversations and doing it with him now feels like a blow in the back. And if it is fiction and "artistic licence", this is a crime.
Just needed to let it out hoping somebody feels the same.
Thank you for all your thoughts on the movie and for this forum.
[QUOTE] [b]A05 wrote:[/b]
... and Freddie playing with a camera man - this isn't in the actual footage. [/QUOTE]
Actually a fact. Just watch it again.
https://youtu.be/A22oy8dFjqc?t=506>Actually a fact. Just watch it again.
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https://youtu.be/A22oy8dFjqc?t=506
I watched it yesterday. Just to make sure. In the actual Live Aid Freddie circled around the camera man because he was stuck in a cable. A technician helped him. He winked at the camera man and AFTER the end of Hammer to fall he came up to the technician an half-hugged him as a thank you (or apology).
In the movie "Freddie" is pinching the cameraman's ass. I have nothing against it, but I think it makes a difference. And the message is different ("look at me I can pinch asses and the whole world will see"). I think real Freddie on stage was more discreet and respectful towards others.
Well, watched it last saturday. I won´t say I hated it, but almost.
I understand there´s a lot of people loving the film. It´s been written & shot to be loved mainly by that average public who likes Queen and Freddie but don´t know their story in detail as most of us here do.
What did I like the most? the production design (except Roger´s never-changing hairstyle) and, yeah, Rami Malek. The guy delivers a good job portraying Freddie, despite not looking like him, despite those giant eyes (Freddie had a special intensity in his eyes and the way he looked at people), but overall he does a good job.
I also loved the initial scene: Freddie dressing in his bedroom, getting to Wembley, walking on stage... it gave me chills, really.
But then the story began and it got worse and worse.
What I hated the most: every single historical innacuracy (or made up facts). There are so many throughout the movie that it is painful to list them all. But of all those, the scene where Freddie announces he goes solo and "breaks the family" was the point when I thought it was enough. (hey Mr. Starfleet, hey Mr. Fun In a Strange Frontier, let me show you my middle finger. Hope you enjoy it.)
They´ve made Freddie look like a total ass with zero personality. His musical talent is never highlighted in the movie. Never. What a wasted opportunity. And then we have Mother Brian May, who´s portrayed always like a Saint, when we all know he was not precisely the easiest-going Queen member in the studio.
Not even a mention of Montreaux was sad, too.
A major let down. When I compare this to other celebrated musical biopics, I see Bohemian Rhapsody as a superficial "based on true facts" sunday afternoon TV film.
And I´m very curious to watch the upcoming Elton John movie. I suspect it will be far superior than this Mr. May & Taylor´s tool to rewrite history.
There was a Red Special on a stand on John's side of the stage. Poor dat.
[QUOTE] [b]A05 wrote:[/b]
I watched it yesterday. Just to make sure. In the actual Live Aid Freddie circled around the camera man because he was stuck in a cable. A technician helped him. He winked at the camera man and AFTER the end of Hammer to fall he came up to the technician an half-hugged him as a thank you (or apology).
In the movie "Freddie" is pinching the cameraman's ass. I have nothing against it, but I think it makes a difference. And the message is different ("look at me I can pinch asses and the whole world will see"). I think real Freddie on stage was more discreet and respectful towards others.[/QUOTE]
I noticed it too, in real life Freddie's hands were nowhere near the guys ass, one held his mic the other was on the camera man's shoulder, they both turn around, while they step over the wires the guy in blue tries to untangle.
You can then see the big mess of wires in the next shot and the techie.
I suspect the choreographer for the film couldn't quite work out what was going on in the spinning shot.
What's up with them having Freddie pinching everyone's ass in the film? Is that something Bryan Singer likes doing to other guys?
>>What's up with them having Freddie pinching everyone's ass in the film?
Maybe that is how the producers/directors understand the inner freedom of Freddie's character... but I think they are missing the point.
[QUOTE] [b]A05 wrote:[/b]
Hi to all,
I hope I do not break any rules by joining the discussion right on. I am a newbie here, but I'm a hardcore Queen fan from Russia for more than 20 years (since my teens). I've read all books available, seen plenty of interviews, watched all the documentary and concert footage I could grab my hands on and all my friends are Queen fans. I can say that Queen shaped my life the way it is.
I am not a Freddie fangirl. I've always argued with people who take Queen superficially telling them that they should listen to Back to the light or Happiness. Actually my favourite one is John Deacon.
I am certainly NOT ANTI-MAYLOR (I've read the thread from the start). I love WWRY, I've been to Queen + Paul Rodgers and I used to have huge respect for what they do with Queen legacy.
Until two days ago at the Bo Phap opening night in my town in Russia.
So... my hopes were high for the movie. I watched it in English so I was getting ready to take in the great Queen spirit once again.
Then I started noticing mistakes in timing... Fat Bottomed Girls in 1976? Ok... Where are Sheffield brothers and a wonderful story of Death on two legs? Ok then...
WWRY in 1980? What are they leading to?
Jim Beach leaving because of Mr Bad Guy in early 1980s (not in 1978)? Paul Prenter selling Freddie to a press in 1985 (it was 187 in real life).
Freddie telling about AIDS to other band members in 1985? Nonsense... Jim Beach said that he was the first to know in 1989-90 and had to keep it secret before Freddie told the others.
When the movie got to an apologizing before Live Aid scene, I was feeling betrayed. I could not take it in at once, I couldn't imagine that Brian and Roger being the producers of the film should be so shallow to show Freddie like that. I thought it humiliating. Why won't they apologize for that "We got you out of Heathrow airport?" Why their private life is not discussed or frowned upon in the movie? Why all the lines in the movie lead to a humiliated (not humble) lost embarassed Freddie with AIDS who is asking to join the band?
Ok, I was hoping that this is not a climax of the movie. Then Live Aid sequence was re-produced. Personally I saw no point in that. Some things were added in fact, it is not reproduced immaculately. A kiss to a mom and Freddie playing with a camera man - this isn't in the actual footage. We can always watch Live Aid. Why wasting screen time?
And then the movie ends. Like nothing happened to Freddie ever since. No Barcelona album, no Innuendo or The Show Must Go On. Not the struggle to sing on the last albums.
When I left the cinema, I was crying. Not because of sadness or joy. My feeling was for Freddie and "Why they did it to him???" He cannot retort with one of his witty remarks.
Personally I think they are tryng to re-write Queen history and it is really awful that they do it now. Even if this conversation DID happen, it should better be left where it is. Freddie did not let out any personal details about the band inner deals and conversations and doing it with him now feels like a blow in the back. And if it is fiction and "artistic licence", this is a crime.
Just needed to let it out hoping somebody feels the same.
Thank you for all your thoughts on the movie and for this forum.[/QUOTE]
HEy A05 - awesome review (apart from The Live Aid Thing- he indeed palyed with the camera man-watch it again) It was done almost 1:1. But what is the point when I can watch it in its original form? Kinda strange. I dont wanna watch actors playing Queens live Aid. Your points are valid. This film is mainly an insult in the second half.
