Adam was not “manufactured” by American Idol. He was already a great singer/stage performer since age 10. Michael Orland and the music director (can’t think of his name right now) have both said how Adam was constantly e-mailing them with his ideas and adaptations for the songs he was performing each week.
Iron Butterfly · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]SweetCaroline wrote:[/b]
I wish we could stand Adam and Freddie side by side to measure the length of their legs. Adam’s 6 ft. 3 in. frame is mostly legs!
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Why would you want to compare that of all things?!
You put to much stock in physical appearances.
Iron Butterfly · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]rockchic65 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
I can't see him doing a full rock album, or have a full rock band.
I'd be interested if that did happen. It just that he changes his mind about his sound and genre. Remember the blusey feel he said he was going for? [/QUOTE]
He's said from day one that genre doesn't matter and he likes so many different styles of music that he seems to want to put them all on one album. Maybe that's one of the problems, he's not just one thing, you can't put a label on him and say he's pop or rock or blues or funk because he mixes it all together. He sounds like he's more sure what he wants to do on this album but even recent comments sound as if it's still gonna be a mix of genre's, whether that will work is anyone's guess. He's still taking blues, soul, glam rock but with a more modern feel, whatever he means by that. The consistent thing is he's said it's all gonna be real instruments not electronic EDM type stuff and he's mentioned getting back to the influences that first inspired him to get into it, so Queen, Bowie, Prince and George Michael.
It was Mister Cosmicc calling him obese in an earlier reply to me.
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I still think of AL as a pop artist to be honest.
Gosh knows what his next music will be like just because he changes his mind so often. If I can be honest, I don't expect much to change, genre wise.
Iron Butterfly · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]SweetCaroline wrote:[/b]
I think they both are/were very special performers.
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They're not equals.
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Yep. Worlds apart, truth be told.
Iron Butterfly · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]SweetCaroline wrote:[/b]
I wish we could stand Adam and Freddie side by side to measure the length of their legs. Adam’s 6 ft. 3 in. frame is mostly legs!
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Adam is taller than Fred vs. Fred wrote Bohemian Rhapsody.
I wonder in the years to come which of those facts will be most celebrated.
:D :D :D [/QUOTE]
Depends on the fan base ;-)
MisterCosmicc · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]rockchic65 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]MisterCosmicc wrote:[/b]
I imagine the songs are recorded before Adam is aware they exist, and then he reviews which ones he likes.[/QUOTE]
The ones he was given to record that were already written by other people would have been like WWFM which was written by Pink and Max Martin and quite a few others but the one's he's had input with likely weren't, especially the one's he works on with friends. He wrote one with one of the judges on Idol which they worked on together and on his last album he spent three months in Stockholm doing nothing but go into the studio with a team and come up with songs and then record them. He went to writing workshop in France between tour legs last year, he clearly likes to have input even if he doesn't write the whole thing.
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WWFM? What the fuck is that? Can we do away with the initials and learn to type shit out? You're fully capable of typing out a huge paragraph but can't write out the title of a song?
Sealion · Member since
About AL being“manufactured“:
I found it surprising to learn, that American Idol worked completely different from X-factor or The Voice.
The contestants chose their songs out of about 100 provided ones each week all by themselves.
They learnt and rehearsed them all by themselves, with a little help by a few behind the scenes crew and musicians. No mentors were involved in how they staged their songs or presented themselves.
The judges were only there for the castings and live shows. They weren’t allowed to talk to them, other than in the show. The judges had no possibility to influence the results of a show. Only the audience decided in the live shows.
After the show ended, Simon Cowell didn’t manage anyone of them. That would happen on X-factor.
I learnt all that, after my surprise, that Adam once said, that he hadn’t been in contact with Cowell since idol. That was about 2 years ago or so.
I wouldn’t call any artist coming from that show manufactured.
Iron Butterfly · Member since
AL is still in contact with Cowell these days. I wish All would leave those type of shows behind, and move on from it.
PS..I don't need or want to see links or pics of AL and Cowell together, sweetcaroline.
Sealion · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
AL is still in contact with Cowell these days. I wish All would leave those type of shows behind, and move on from it.
PS..I don't need or want to see links or pics of AL and Cowell together, sweetcaroline.[/QUOTE]
Those must be new. I was looking for a connection about two-three years ago. There was none. Nothing in the whole WWW since idol.
Wasn’t he a judge on one of his shows not long ago? Maybe the connection got renewed.
rockchic65 · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]MisterCosmicc wrote:[/b]
WWFM? What the fuck is that? Can we do away with the initials and learn to type shit out? You're fully capable of typing out a huge paragraph but can't write out the title of a song? [/QUOTE]
Sorry you appeared to be familiar with some of his songs so I assumed you would know that one being the most well known - it's Whataya Want From Me, the second single of his first album.
rockchic65 · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Sealion wrote:[/b]
About AL being“manufactured“:
I found it surprising to learn, that American Idol worked completely different from X-factor or The Voice.
The contestants chose their songs out of about 100 provided ones each week all by themselves.
They learnt and rehearsed them all by themselves, with a little help by a few behind the scenes crew and musicians. No mentors were involved in how they staged their songs or presented themselves.
The judges were only there for the castings and live shows. They weren’t allowed to talk to them, other than in the show. The judges had no possibility to influence the results of a show. Only the audience decided in the live shows.
After the show ended, Simon Cowell didn’t manage anyone of them. That would happen on X-factor.
I learnt all that, after my surprise, that Adam once said, that he hadn’t been in contact with Cowell since idol. That was about 2 years ago or so.
I wouldn’t call any artist coming from that show manufactured. [/QUOTE]
Yeah X Factor is completely different, it's Simon's own show and the judges all mentor the contestants, choose the songs or at least have input into it etc. Idol was created by Simon Fuller and Cowell was only a judge, he didn't have any sway over it and his record company weren't involved, nineteen was the label they got signed to from Idol, part of RCA.
rockchic65 · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
AL is still in contact with Cowell these days. I wish All would leave those type of shows behind, and move on from it.
PS..I don't need or want to see links or pics of AL and Cowell together, sweetcaroline.[/QUOTE]
He always get's introduced as from Idol so it's pointless to try to cut ties with it and like Cowell or not he has a lot of influence and X Factor is seen by millions every week. They have guest artists on every week and most have no connection to the show so if Adam get's asked to perform or guest judge he'd be daft to turn it down, it's all publicity at the end of the day.
rockchic65 · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Sealion wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
AL is still in contact with Cowell these days. I wish All would leave those type of shows behind, and move on from it.
PS..I don't need or want to see links or pics of AL and Cowell together, sweetcaroline.[/QUOTE]
Those must be new. I was looking for a connection about two-three years ago. There was none. Nothing in the whole WWW since idol.
Wasn’t he a judge on one of his shows not long ago? Maybe the connection got renewed.[/QUOTE]
He was one of the people invited when Simon got his Hollywood walk of fame star, he was at his after party and then appeared as a guest judge at the judges houses in LA.
I forgot to say he was an actual judge on the Australian X factor in 2016 so the connection was still there then.
thomasquinn 32989 · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]rockchic65 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]
Writing lyrics is not the same as writing songs. If you can't play any instrument, it's extremely unlikely that you're capable of writing songs. That is quite aside from quality, whether or not you can write *good* songs. It means you don't have the tools or the specialist knowledge.
To put it in a metaphor: no matter how good you are at playing the guitar, it says nothing about your skill at building a guitar.[/QUOTE]
I take your point I just think if you have technical knowledge of singing and by that I mean you have the knowledge of what key and note etc you're singing then you could theoretically come up with a melody line in your head and sing it to someone who plays an instrument the same way someone can just play something by ear on a piano for example. I know Adam changes the arrangement of a lot of his songs when touring solo or works with the band to come up with arrangements of covers he decides to do last minute. He obviously needs them to play what he's thinking but between them they can work it out so the same in theory can apply when writing new music. Not saying he does, just that he could.
At the end of the day though it doesn't really matter, like you said lots of singers never write music and it doesn't hold them back. They can't all be multi skilled.
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It's theoretically possible, but not very likely. There's a lot more to writing a song than meets the ear: harmonies, part-writing and the likes can be extremely demanding, unless you're happy to end up with a string of musical cliches.
The scenario you describe reminds me of Irving Berlin. A great lyricist, to be sure, who gets shared credit for the music on his songs - Berlin came up with wonderful melodies, but did not have the know-how to turn them into songs. So, he used the services of others to set his pieces to music. And, remember, Irving Berlin is probably the absolute best-case-scenario in the real world of someone without much technical knowledge of an instrumentalist of some kind in writing songs.
Sealion · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]rockchic65 wrote:[/b]
Yeah X Factor is completely different, it's Simon's own show and the judges all mentor the contestants, choose the songs or at least have input into it etc. Idol was created by Simon Fuller and Cowell was only a judge, he didn't have any sway over it and his record company weren't involved, nineteen was the label they got signed to from Idol, part of RCA.
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I found it especially interesting, because I always felt, that the judges or mentors have too much influence after the contestants made the show. They can’t really decide on anything. They got pushed into a genre and an image. And I think, that‘s what people here mean with“manufactured“. At least that’s what I understand by it. ;-)
BUT that didn’t really happen on the show, that AL was on. The performances were his. The song choices as well. The clothes and most other things as well.
If I had been an artist, I would have gone to that show. The others only exist to promote the judges and make money for the producer, who gets a fresh, young artist in the end. One that he has certainly pushed behind the scenes. And who will fade away after a year or two. Because that artist just fitted a bill, but didn’t necessarily have enough talent.
