Adam's song writing...

rockchic65 wrote:

I don't recall George playing instruments live on stage, not the stuff I've seen, he used to use backing bands/orchestra's which is only the same thing Adam does. I don't think Adam's as lacking in musical knowledge as people seem to think, he knows how to put an idea he has across to a musician who can then interpret what he wants, he's always rearranged songs when doing them live, sometimes pretty last minute with his backing bands.

Why are you solely focused on live stuff? I don't give a shit about Adam's live performances, he's terrible.

I'm talking about making music... not reproducing it on stage. Adam needs a band if he wants to get further ahead. He has no control over his releases or anything. The only thing he has control of is the poor way he struts on stage like an obese man.

If he wants to further his talent, he needs to form a great band.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

I have often thought about how AL would do with a band. I do think he needs better music before anything else. I say that as someone who likes some of his music.

Having listened to all his solo albums I'd say apart from WWFM and Ghost Town they didn't pick the best songs to release as singles. Some of it was his label, I know they insisted on BTIKM and NCOE, not sure about the others but there were some better songs on his albums than the one's that got released IMO. Many people will never have heard most of his stuff if they only listen to what's played on radio. But then the one's I would have preferred might have been crap to everyone else so who knows, music is very subjective.

That's because Adam has absolutely no control! If there were four or five people in the band, the record company would be more lenient. Enough of the stupid bubblegum pop. Adam will be 40 in a couple years, time to release some music to entertain adults, not little boys.

MisterCosmicc wrote:

That's because Adam has absolutely no control! If there were four or five people in the band, the record company would be more lenient. Enough of the stupid bubblegum pop. Adam will be 40 in a couple years, time to release some music to entertain adults, not little boys.

Do you actually believe that a band has more control, because they are more people? That’s bullshit, sorry.

It’s true, that artists don’t have much control on the music though. They are in their label‘s hands. All of them.
A reason, why more and more artists more often change labels or try more independent ways. From what I‘ve heard Lambert is someone, who at least tries to stand up and defends his opinions. A reason, why he left his first label. He didn’t want to do, what they suggested.

Sealion wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote:

That's because Adam has absolutely no control! If there were four or five people in the band, the record company would be more lenient. Enough of the stupid bubblegum pop. Adam will be 40 in a couple years, time to release some music to entertain adults, not little boys.

Do you actually believe that a band has more control, because they are more people? That’s bullshit, sorry.

It’s true, that artists don’t have much control on the music though. They are in their label‘s hands. All of them.
A reason, why more and more artists more often change labels or try more independent ways. From what I‘ve heard Lambert is someone, who at least tries to stand up and defends his opinions. A reason, why he left his first label. He didn’t want to do, what they suggested.

What was suggested back then?

Sealion wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote:

That's because Adam has absolutely no control! If there were four or five people in the band, the record company would be more lenient. Enough of the stupid bubblegum pop. Adam will be 40 in a couple years, time to release some music to entertain adults, not little boys.

Do you actually believe that a band has more control, because they are more people? That’s bullshit, sorry.

It’s true, that artists don’t have much control on the music though. They are in their label‘s hands. All of them.
A reason, why more and more artists more often change labels or try more independent ways. From what I‘ve heard Lambert is someone, who at least tries to stand up and defends his opinions. A reason, why he left his first label. He didn’t want to do, what they suggested.

It depends on the band. Is it something like One Direction? Of course they don't have control. Bubblegum pop folks aren't in control.

Adam, from what I've heard, has had label issues from day one, and probably had a poor contract.

Nearly everything Adam has done was manipulated by record companies, from the song writing to the releases. He's got a contract that puts others in control of his music. He only sings, so that's all that matters to record companies in terms of him. Rock bands have more say than a bubblegum pop artist does. Except for bands like Smash Mouth, and that's understandable.

MisterCosmicc wrote:

It depends on the band. Is it something like One Direction? Of course they don't have control. Bubblegum pop folks aren't in control.

Adam, from what I've heard, has had label issues from day one, and probably had a poor contract.

Nearly everything Adam has done was manipulated by record companies, from the song writing to the releases. He's got a contract that puts others in control of his music. He only sings, so that's all that matters to record companies in terms of him. Rock bands have more say than a bubblegum pop artist does. Except for bands like Smash Mouth, and that's understandable.

Of course he had a bad contract, coming from a talent show. And that record companies screwed a lot of his work up to this day is true as well. Let’s see, what he will come up with next.
Maybe Roger (and maybe Brian) even gave him some helpful tips? They know, how to deal with record companies...

Yeah, if he got rid of those stupid publishing deals with other song writers maybe he could get some where. Record companies love it when people work with them, it's a form of manipulation.

As for Brian and Roger? They can't even get good record deals anymore.

Unless Adam Lambert gets rid of the bubblegum pop, he'll stay just where he is. In a few years, he'll be in his 40's and little boys won't find him so interesting anymore. He better hurry up!

I'm still wondering what his record company suggested that he didn't want to do. What is a new sound, look or something?

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Yeah, if he got rid of those stupid publishing deals with other song writers maybe he could get some where. Record companies love it when people work with them, it's a form of manipulation.

As for Brian and Roger? They can't even get good record deals anymore.

Unless Adam Lambert gets rid of the bubblegum pop, he'll stay just where he is. In a few years, he'll be in his 40's and little boys won't find him so interesting anymore. He better hurry up!

I wouldn't say his music is bubblegum pop. Pop and EDM with a few ballady type music.
I'd love it if AL went in a new direction. He has changed his mind more than once about what his upcoming music will sound like.

Maybe he wanted to do his own music instead of another Max Martin produced album with songs, that he apparently didn’t have too much input in?

Sealion wrote:

Maybe he wanted to do his own music instead of another Max Martin produced album with songs, that he apparently didn’t have too much input in?

Maybe. But at the time I don't think he had the chance to say no about that, and where would he be now if he said no and went and did things his way? Who knows of course.

I have just dug a little bit. Apparently, AL didn't want to do an 80s cover album. Which I find strange since he has been touring with Brian and Roger for years now...singing cover songs.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

I have just dug a little bit. Apparently, AL didn't want to do an 80s cover album. Which I find strange since he has been touring with Brian and Roger for years now...singing cover songs.

Wasn’t that some time ago? I think, that was long before his last album and hasn’t anything to do with his current situation. Could be wrong, though.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

I have just dug a little bit. Apparently, AL didn't want to do an 80s cover album. Which I find strange since he has been touring with Brian and Roger for years now...singing cover songs.

That's from 2013. In 2015, he signed to Warner Brothers... but brought along Max Martin... which isn't good. Max Martin has done some nice production (Bryan Adam's Cloud #9 for instance) but usually he's writing songs to impress 12 year olds.

Adam needs a band of men his age.