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It sounds like AL would be best placed in a band.
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Iron Butterfly
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Why should I find excuses for Lambert? I don’t care enough about his solo career, sorry.
If it’s not true: Tell me just one worldwide mainstream male artist from the US, who lives or lived his life openly, loud and proud as a gay artist. Then I stand corrected.
I don’t think, AL‘s collaboration with B&R holds his solo career back. It started mainly after he had released 2 albums, right? I think, had he not collaborated with them, his career might have been over by now.
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Why must a gay, proud gay artist be from the US?
Troye Sivan checks almost all your boxes, except he wasn't born in the States. Frank Ocean is bisexual although not gay.
It bothers me alot when I read some say that because AL is gay is the reason his career the way it is.
I agree with you...if not for touring with Brian and Roger, his career might be very well over by now. They gave him the biggest break and boost in the last few years than anything else.[/QUOTE]
He should have better NOT been from the US in order to become a star.
That‘s fact. I don’t know, why that bothers you. I‘m not from the US, but it’s known and very visible, that gay artists are not widely supported by the American music industry. And ten years ago, when Lambert‘s career started, it has been even worse. They simply didn’t exist. At least not officially.
Frank Ocean might be bisexual, but he isn’t in-the-face gay like AL. He didn’t come out immediately. And he was later than Lambert.
Troye was already successful, when he came to the US AND came on the scene much later. Both of them aren’t big international stars. Ocean more than Sivan though.
Things are changing for the better. Although the current US president and his followers are unfortunately moving backwards. The USA are not close to be as accepting of queer people as many European countries are. I agree with you, that being gay shouldn’t be a matter, when becoming a successful artist (or anything else for that matter.)
But all evidence proves the contrary for US artists. If you don’t see that, I‘m sorry for you.
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Quick post, because I gotta run soon.
Elton John has often talked about how accepted he is in the US. And that he is, and he has done so much for so many.
Many artists have paved the way for people like AL. I think that gets forgotten by some Glamberts because they are too busy bigging AL up. Not saying you are one of them, and thank you for that.
Yes times are changing and for the better. I absolutely agree with you. I don't want to discuss Trump and his followers, because it's very likely I will end up being compared to it again.
[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Sealion wrote:[/b]
Why should I find excuses for Lambert? I don’t care enough about his solo career, sorry.
If it’s not true: Tell me just one worldwide mainstream male artist from the US, who lives or lived his life openly, loud and proud as a gay artist. Then I stand corrected.
I don’t think, AL‘s collaboration with B&R holds his solo career back. It started mainly after he had released 2 albums, right? I think, had he not collaborated with them, his career might have been over by now.
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Why must a gay, proud gay artist be from the US?
Troye Sivan checks almost all your boxes, except he wasn't born in the States. Frank Ocean is bisexual although not gay.
It bothers me alot when I read some say that because AL is gay is the reason his career the way it is.
I agree with you...if not for touring with Brian and Roger, his career might be very well over by now. They gave him the biggest break and boost in the last few years than anything else.[/QUOTE]
He should have better NOT been from the US in order to become a star.
That‘s fact. I don’t know, why that bothers you. I‘m not from the US, but it’s known and very visible, that gay artists are not widely supported by the American music industry. And ten years ago, when Lambert‘s career started, it has been even worse. They simply didn’t exist. At least not officially.
Frank Ocean might be bisexual, but he isn’t in-the-face gay like AL. He didn’t come out immediately. And he was later than Lambert.
Troye was already successful, when he came to the US AND came on the scene much later. Both of them aren’t big international stars. Ocean more than Sivan though.
Things are changing for the better. Although the current US president and his followers are unfortunately moving backwards. The USA are not close to be as accepting of queer people as many European countries are. I agree with you, that being gay shouldn’t be a matter, when becoming a successful artist (or anything else for that matter.)
But all evidence proves the contrary for US artists. If you don’t see that, I‘m sorry for you.
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Quick post, because I gotta run soon.
Elton John has often talked about how accepted he is in the US. And that he is, and he has done so much for so many.
Many artists have paved the way for people like AL. I think that gets forgotten by some Glamberts because they are too busy bigging AL up. Not saying you are one of them, and thank you for that.
Yes times are changing and for the better. I absolutely agree with you. I don't want to discuss Trump and his followers, because it's very likely I will end up being compared to it again.
Sealion
@IronButterfly
That’s my last post on that topic, because if you don’t want to see it, you will never see it.
Elton is British. He became successful in Britain. The American music industry has no problem with queer artists from other countries. Never had. I don’t know why, but they were and are always welcome. They are hip, because they are already stars in another country.
But beware it’s one of their own... queer American artist usually didn’t even get the chance of a record deal.
That’s my last post on that topic, because if you don’t want to see it, you will never see it.
Elton is British. He became successful in Britain. The American music industry has no problem with queer artists from other countries. Never had. I don’t know why, but they were and are always welcome. They are hip, because they are already stars in another country.
But beware it’s one of their own... queer American artist usually didn’t even get the chance of a record deal.
Iron Butterfly
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@IronButterfly
That’s my last post on that topic, because if you don’t want to see it, you will never see it.
Elton is British. He became successful in Britain. The American music industry has no problem with queer artists from other countries. Never had. I don’t know why, but they were and are always welcome. They are hip, because they are already stars in another country.
But beware it’s one of their own... queer American artist usually didn’t even get the chance of a record deal. [/QUOTE]
I don't see it for AL as much as some of his fans have claimed about homophobia. That's what I'm saying.
Do I see homophobia? Sure, especially outside of the entertainment business. I'm not blind to it by the way.
@IronButterfly
That’s my last post on that topic, because if you don’t want to see it, you will never see it.
Elton is British. He became successful in Britain. The American music industry has no problem with queer artists from other countries. Never had. I don’t know why, but they were and are always welcome. They are hip, because they are already stars in another country.
But beware it’s one of their own... queer American artist usually didn’t even get the chance of a record deal. [/QUOTE]
I don't see it for AL as much as some of his fans have claimed about homophobia. That's what I'm saying.
Do I see homophobia? Sure, especially outside of the entertainment business. I'm not blind to it by the way.
Sealion
[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Sealion wrote:[/b]
@IronButterfly
That’s my last post on that topic, because if you don’t want to see it, you will never see it.
Elton is British. He became successful in Britain. The American music industry has no problem with queer artists from other countries. Never had. I don’t know why, but they were and are always welcome. They are hip, because they are already stars in another country.
But beware it’s one of their own... queer American artist usually didn’t even get the chance of a record deal. [/QUOTE]
I don't see it for AL as much as some of his fans have claimed about homophobia. That's what I'm saying.
Do I see homophobia? Sure, especially outside of the entertainment business. I'm not blind to it by the way.[/QUOTE]
What I said goes for all American singers, not only Lambert. He’s just the one, this topic is about.
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@IronButterfly
That’s my last post on that topic, because if you don’t want to see it, you will never see it.
Elton is British. He became successful in Britain. The American music industry has no problem with queer artists from other countries. Never had. I don’t know why, but they were and are always welcome. They are hip, because they are already stars in another country.
But beware it’s one of their own... queer American artist usually didn’t even get the chance of a record deal. [/QUOTE]
I don't see it for AL as much as some of his fans have claimed about homophobia. That's what I'm saying.
Do I see homophobia? Sure, especially outside of the entertainment business. I'm not blind to it by the way.[/QUOTE]
What I said goes for all American singers, not only Lambert. He’s just the one, this topic is about.
Iron Butterfly
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[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Sealion wrote:[/b]
@IronButterfly
That’s my last post on that topic, because if you don’t want to see it, you will never see it.
Elton is British. He became successful in Britain. The American music industry has no problem with queer artists from other countries. Never had. I don’t know why, but they were and are always welcome. They are hip, because they are already stars in another country.
But beware it’s one of their own... queer American artist usually didn’t even get the chance of a record deal. [/QUOTE]
I don't see it for AL as much as some of his fans have claimed about homophobia. That's what I'm saying.
Do I see homophobia? Sure, especially outside of the entertainment business. I'm not blind to it by the way.[/QUOTE]
What I said goes for all American singers, not only Lambert. He’s just the one, this topic is about.
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Yes, but you did ask about other artists.
I'm not denying it exists. I know it does, but not to the extent some claim.
[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Sealion wrote:[/b]
@IronButterfly
That’s my last post on that topic, because if you don’t want to see it, you will never see it.
Elton is British. He became successful in Britain. The American music industry has no problem with queer artists from other countries. Never had. I don’t know why, but they were and are always welcome. They are hip, because they are already stars in another country.
But beware it’s one of their own... queer American artist usually didn’t even get the chance of a record deal. [/QUOTE]
I don't see it for AL as much as some of his fans have claimed about homophobia. That's what I'm saying.
Do I see homophobia? Sure, especially outside of the entertainment business. I'm not blind to it by the way.[/QUOTE]
What I said goes for all American singers, not only Lambert. He’s just the one, this topic is about.
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Yes, but you did ask about other artists.
I'm not denying it exists. I know it does, but not to the extent some claim.
MisterCosmicc
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@anadamfan
It sounds like AL would be best placed in a band. [/QUOTE]
You got that right! Adam needs to be in a damn band! He can't play an instrument or write songs... he likes working with people apparently, a band would be great for him. He's not George Michael or even comparable... George Michael is a multi-instrumentalist and a great song writer.
Adam needs a fucking band!
@anadamfan
It sounds like AL would be best placed in a band. [/QUOTE]
You got that right! Adam needs to be in a damn band! He can't play an instrument or write songs... he likes working with people apparently, a band would be great for him. He's not George Michael or even comparable... George Michael is a multi-instrumentalist and a great song writer.
Adam needs a fucking band!
SweetCaroline
I thought Two FUX was adorable when he performed it live with B and R in 2017, but it would never have been played on the radio.
Adam has had some Adele/Sam type songs that could have been hits: Can’t Let You Go, Broken Open and Runnin’ to name a few.
I still think if he had blown the roof off with “Time For Miracles,” his career would have started in a different direction and Liberty University would have loved him instead of wanting him banned for kissing his guitar player.
Now the hypocrites support a womanizer and Russian puppet in the White House.
Adam has had some Adele/Sam type songs that could have been hits: Can’t Let You Go, Broken Open and Runnin’ to name a few.
I still think if he had blown the roof off with “Time For Miracles,” his career would have started in a different direction and Liberty University would have loved him instead of wanting him banned for kissing his guitar player.
Now the hypocrites support a womanizer and Russian puppet in the White House.
Iron Butterfly
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@anadamfan
It sounds like AL would be best placed in a band. [/QUOTE]
You got that right! Adam needs to be in a damn band! He can't play an instrument or write songs... he likes working with people apparently, a band would be great for him. He's not George Michael or even comparable... George Michael is a multi-instrumentalist and a great song writer.
Adam needs a fucking band![/QUOTE]
I have often thought about how AL would do with a band. I do think he needs better music before anything else. I say that as someone who likes some of his music.
[QUOTE] [b]Sealion wrote:[/b]
@anadamfan
It sounds like AL would be best placed in a band. [/QUOTE]
You got that right! Adam needs to be in a damn band! He can't play an instrument or write songs... he likes working with people apparently, a band would be great for him. He's not George Michael or even comparable... George Michael is a multi-instrumentalist and a great song writer.
Adam needs a fucking band![/QUOTE]
I have often thought about how AL would do with a band. I do think he needs better music before anything else. I say that as someone who likes some of his music.
rockchic65
[QUOTE] [b]MisterCosmicc wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Sealion wrote:[/b]
@anadamfan
It sounds like AL would be best placed in a band. [/QUOTE]
You got that right! Adam needs to be in a damn band! He can't play an instrument or write songs... he likes working with people apparently, a band would be great for him. He's not George Michael or even comparable... George Michael is a multi-instrumentalist and a great song writer.
Adam needs a fucking band![/QUOTE]
He'd probably do great with a band and he does love collaborating but I also think he only loves it if he's mainly the one in charge of things as well. The dynamic in a band started together is like Queen were, everyone having their say and making decisions and that leads to conflict. As a solo artist with a hired backing band he can have control and say how he wants things done to a certain extent.
I don't recall George playing instruments live on stage, not the stuff I've seen, he used to use backing bands/orchestra's which is only the same thing Adam does. I don't think Adam's as lacking in musical knowledge as people seem to think, he knows how to put an idea he has across to a musician who can then interpret what he wants, he's always rearranged songs when doing them live, sometimes pretty last minute with his backing bands.
[QUOTE] [b]Sealion wrote:[/b]
@anadamfan
It sounds like AL would be best placed in a band. [/QUOTE]
You got that right! Adam needs to be in a damn band! He can't play an instrument or write songs... he likes working with people apparently, a band would be great for him. He's not George Michael or even comparable... George Michael is a multi-instrumentalist and a great song writer.
Adam needs a fucking band![/QUOTE]
He'd probably do great with a band and he does love collaborating but I also think he only loves it if he's mainly the one in charge of things as well. The dynamic in a band started together is like Queen were, everyone having their say and making decisions and that leads to conflict. As a solo artist with a hired backing band he can have control and say how he wants things done to a certain extent.
I don't recall George playing instruments live on stage, not the stuff I've seen, he used to use backing bands/orchestra's which is only the same thing Adam does. I don't think Adam's as lacking in musical knowledge as people seem to think, he knows how to put an idea he has across to a musician who can then interpret what he wants, he's always rearranged songs when doing them live, sometimes pretty last minute with his backing bands.
rockchic65
[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
I have often thought about how AL would do with a band. I do think he needs better music before anything else. I say that as someone who likes some of his music.
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Having listened to all his solo albums I'd say apart from WWFM and Ghost Town they didn't pick the best songs to release as singles. Some of it was his label, I know they insisted on BTIKM and NCOE, not sure about the others but there were some better songs on his albums than the one's that got released IMO. Many people will never have heard most of his stuff if they only listen to what's played on radio. But then the one's I would have preferred might have been crap to everyone else so who knows, music is very subjective.
I have often thought about how AL would do with a band. I do think he needs better music before anything else. I say that as someone who likes some of his music.
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Having listened to all his solo albums I'd say apart from WWFM and Ghost Town they didn't pick the best songs to release as singles. Some of it was his label, I know they insisted on BTIKM and NCOE, not sure about the others but there were some better songs on his albums than the one's that got released IMO. Many people will never have heard most of his stuff if they only listen to what's played on radio. But then the one's I would have preferred might have been crap to everyone else so who knows, music is very subjective.
Iron Butterfly
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[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
I have often thought about how AL would do with a band. I do think he needs better music before anything else. I say that as someone who likes some of his music.
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Having listened to all his solo albums I'd say apart from WWFM and Ghost Town they didn't pick the best songs to release as singles. Some of it was his label, I know they insisted on BTIKM and NCOE, not sure about the others but there were some better songs on his albums than the one's that got released IMO. Many people will never have heard most of his stuff if they only listen to what's played on radio. But then the one's I would have preferred might have been crap to everyone else so who knows, music is very subjective.
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Do you know if AL had any say in what singles ended up being released? Don't know if he had or has enough pull to say?
I still freaking love WYFM. I actually identify with that song quite a bit.
[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
I have often thought about how AL would do with a band. I do think he needs better music before anything else. I say that as someone who likes some of his music.
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Having listened to all his solo albums I'd say apart from WWFM and Ghost Town they didn't pick the best songs to release as singles. Some of it was his label, I know they insisted on BTIKM and NCOE, not sure about the others but there were some better songs on his albums than the one's that got released IMO. Many people will never have heard most of his stuff if they only listen to what's played on radio. But then the one's I would have preferred might have been crap to everyone else so who knows, music is very subjective.
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Do you know if AL had any say in what singles ended up being released? Don't know if he had or has enough pull to say?
I still freaking love WYFM. I actually identify with that song quite a bit.
MisterCosmicc
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[QUOTE] [b]MisterCosmicc wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Sealion wrote:[/b]
@anadamfan
It sounds like AL would be best placed in a band. [/QUOTE]
You got that right! Adam needs to be in a damn band! He can't play an instrument or write songs... he likes working with people apparently, a band would be great for him. He's not George Michael or even comparable... George Michael is a multi-instrumentalist and a great song writer.
Adam needs a fucking band![/QUOTE]
He'd probably do great with a band and he does love collaborating but I also think he only loves it if he's mainly the one in charge of things as well. The dynamic in a band started together is like Queen were, everyone having their say and making decisions and that leads to conflict. As a solo artist with a hired backing band he can have control and say how he wants things done to a certain extent.
I don't recall George playing instruments live on stage, not the stuff I've seen, he used to use backing bands/orchestra's which is only the same thing Adam does. I don't think Adam's as lacking in musical knowledge as people seem to think, he knows how to put an idea he has across to a musician who can then interpret what he wants, he's always rearranged songs when doing them live, sometimes pretty last minute with his backing bands.[/QUOTE]
He is no where near in charge as a solo artist. He has no control over his releases or music he creates.
[QUOTE] [b]MisterCosmicc wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Sealion wrote:[/b]
@anadamfan
It sounds like AL would be best placed in a band. [/QUOTE]
You got that right! Adam needs to be in a damn band! He can't play an instrument or write songs... he likes working with people apparently, a band would be great for him. He's not George Michael or even comparable... George Michael is a multi-instrumentalist and a great song writer.
Adam needs a fucking band![/QUOTE]
He'd probably do great with a band and he does love collaborating but I also think he only loves it if he's mainly the one in charge of things as well. The dynamic in a band started together is like Queen were, everyone having their say and making decisions and that leads to conflict. As a solo artist with a hired backing band he can have control and say how he wants things done to a certain extent.
I don't recall George playing instruments live on stage, not the stuff I've seen, he used to use backing bands/orchestra's which is only the same thing Adam does. I don't think Adam's as lacking in musical knowledge as people seem to think, he knows how to put an idea he has across to a musician who can then interpret what he wants, he's always rearranged songs when doing them live, sometimes pretty last minute with his backing bands.[/QUOTE]
He is no where near in charge as a solo artist. He has no control over his releases or music he creates.
MisterCosmicc
[QUOTE] [b]rockchic65 wrote:[/b]
I don't recall George playing instruments live on stage, not the stuff I've seen, he used to use backing bands/orchestra's which is only the same thing Adam does. I don't think Adam's as lacking in musical knowledge as people seem to think, he knows how to put an idea he has across to a musician who can then interpret what he wants, he's always rearranged songs when doing them live, sometimes pretty last minute with his backing bands.[/QUOTE]
Why are you solely focused on live stuff? I don't give a shit about Adam's live performances, he's terrible.
I'm talking about making music... not reproducing it on stage. Adam needs a band if he wants to get further ahead. He has no control over his releases or anything. The only thing he has control of is the poor way he struts on stage like an obese man.
If he wants to further his talent, he needs to form a great band.
I don't recall George playing instruments live on stage, not the stuff I've seen, he used to use backing bands/orchestra's which is only the same thing Adam does. I don't think Adam's as lacking in musical knowledge as people seem to think, he knows how to put an idea he has across to a musician who can then interpret what he wants, he's always rearranged songs when doing them live, sometimes pretty last minute with his backing bands.[/QUOTE]
Why are you solely focused on live stuff? I don't give a shit about Adam's live performances, he's terrible.
I'm talking about making music... not reproducing it on stage. Adam needs a band if he wants to get further ahead. He has no control over his releases or anything. The only thing he has control of is the poor way he struts on stage like an obese man.
If he wants to further his talent, he needs to form a great band.
MisterCosmicc
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[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
I have often thought about how AL would do with a band. I do think he needs better music before anything else. I say that as someone who likes some of his music.
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Having listened to all his solo albums I'd say apart from WWFM and Ghost Town they didn't pick the best songs to release as singles. Some of it was his label, I know they insisted on BTIKM and NCOE, not sure about the others but there were some better songs on his albums than the one's that got released IMO. Many people will never have heard most of his stuff if they only listen to what's played on radio. But then the one's I would have preferred might have been crap to everyone else so who knows, music is very subjective.
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That's because Adam has absolutely no control! If there were four or five people in the band, the record company would be more lenient. Enough of the stupid bubblegum pop. Adam will be 40 in a couple years, time to release some music to entertain adults, not little boys.
[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
I have often thought about how AL would do with a band. I do think he needs better music before anything else. I say that as someone who likes some of his music.
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Having listened to all his solo albums I'd say apart from WWFM and Ghost Town they didn't pick the best songs to release as singles. Some of it was his label, I know they insisted on BTIKM and NCOE, not sure about the others but there were some better songs on his albums than the one's that got released IMO. Many people will never have heard most of his stuff if they only listen to what's played on radio. But then the one's I would have preferred might have been crap to everyone else so who knows, music is very subjective.
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That's because Adam has absolutely no control! If there were four or five people in the band, the record company would be more lenient. Enough of the stupid bubblegum pop. Adam will be 40 in a couple years, time to release some music to entertain adults, not little boys.