Which two band members argued or fell out with each other the most and why?
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Nathan H · Member since
Now having read a lot more Queen books, seen/read more interviews (old and new) and seen the biopic recently, I've started realising that they 'hated' each other at times. They had bad relationships in the 80s which led to (as Brian as put it) to leave the band for a couple of days. For example, John kept disappearing as he took random holidays without telling anyone and he got quite depressed (he also took lots of drugs in this period and according to Brian never fully recovered).
Most of the bitching with each other because of musical differences or attitudes to certain issues. Live Aid brought them back together but that didn't stop the bickering. Freddie and John who were very close to each other fell out badly towards the end of the Magic Tour and that affected one show they played. Was it when Freddie said that he doesn't think he can tour again?
It was nowhere near as bad by The Miracle because they shared songwriting credits. This is their biggest mistake as they should've done it on their first album. It might've stopped their worst arguing and even improve songs. What do we think?
MisterCosmicc · Member since
Most likely Roger and Brian had the most fallouts. A second would probably be Freddie and Brian. John wasn’t close to Freddie as in, “so close, they needed to see each other frequently.”
I have never read that John dida lot of drugs, but I’ve read he did lot of drinking, and he also got a DWI. He has a big beer belly now.
paulprenter · Member since
Apparently Brian and John didn’t get along very well.
bucsateflon · Member since
No one here knows for sure, all you will see written here about this subject matter is pure speculation....
emrabt · Member since
Totally speculative but Brian and Freddie probably had quite a few heated arguments, I fully believe they had made up any differences by the time they recorded the miracle too.
If you watch behind the scene videos from the works era Freddie and Brian don't interact a whole lot, where as Freddie and Roger were always giggling and prating about, by the time we get to the miracle and innuendo all the band seem to be having fun again.
Golden Salmon · Member since
Freddie and Brian had a huge argument once (not sure when), and as an apology Freddie made some kind of mix of various Brian guitar solos and then showed him the result, saying that his work always sounded like a symphony of sorts to him, and that was what it was always like in his head. Brian really appreciated it, I believe he told this anecdote at his site.
bucsateflon · Member since
In the making of One Vision footage there is a discussion between Freddie, Roger and John and Freddie is saying that someone else will make things that much harder "you'll see" and John in agreement while Roger is ignoring them. I speculate they were talking about Brian.
spiralstatic · Member since
From the few clips we have, I get the impression Roger and Brian.... Here's one...
https://youtu.be/vayg9bDYxqc
But clearly they all argued. I have heard people say Freddie was in fact more often the peacemaker (than the others at least!)
I get the impression that contrary to his usual kind and patient demeanour, in the studio Brian may have been the most difficult? I extrapolate this idea from clips like this, from stories of how long Brian took recording solos and from the idea that (I've read) the only time Freddie wasn't at the sound desk at least in the early years was during Brian's solos and from the way I've found in interesting that when you heard the band talk about specific songs and songwriting in interviews, the other band members will often say things including other band members in their creations such as "Oh well we all contribute to every song" and "X person added this to my song" I have noticed that Brian will often say "Oh well I wrote this part on that song" when talking about a song that isn't his. His desire to (musically) take credit I think may give a clue to him in the studio.
With Roger, I get the impression he can be pretty impulsive so I can imagine him starting many an argument, but maybe getting over it.
Freddie could have a right temper, so I am sure he was the head of his fair share of arguments too. Though my impression of him in the studio is more often one of coercion - coercing the other members into doing what he wanted. Some people have that skill, and I think Freddie did, just enough for Queen. Obviously he didn't get his way all the time and Queen are all the better that he didn't.
I'm sure there were their fair share of Freddie-Brian arguments too. Both in the early years when they were the two main songwriters and since they were both perfectionists who like to be in control! And in the later years when they wanted different things musically.
We can of course only surmise. I think it is pointless to suggest certain band members were close and others not. I think none of them really socialised outside of the band, and in another sense they all knew each other for 25 years and a band is a kind of family, so they were all very close.
I think it is interesting to wonder though!
emrabt · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]spiralstatic wrote:[/b]
I think none of them really socialised outside of the band.[/QUOTE]
Roger and Freddie worked together and I'm pretty sure, if I remember correctly, were flatmates pre-queen.
spiralstatic · Member since
Yes, I meant more by the end. Before they became Queen I think they were all very close. Well, other than John, as he arrived later. But I don't think they spent a lot of their free time together anymore outside of work (work would include solo projects) by the 80's?
Sebastian · Member since
Roger did travel a lot with John in the 80's. According to Frederick's driver, Roger and Frederick would also go out to have supper, and Roger would be the only one Frederick would socialise with.
kirkpatrickuk · Member since
kirkpatrickuk · Member since
I get the impression that they all despaired of Brian a lot. If you watch live footage of the band there’s never any interaction between Brian and John. Watch the 1997 performance with Elton. Nobody looks particularly happy to be there.
Martin Packer · Member since
"Nobody looks particularly happy to be there" might be more the occasion than anything else.