Michael Jackson - New allegations in documentary: Leaving Neverland

As one of the world’s most celebrated icons, Michael Jackson represents many things to many people—a pop star, a humanitarian, a beloved idol. When allegations of sexual abuse by Jackson involving young boys surfaced in 1993, many found it hard to believe that the King of Pop could be guilty of such unspeakable acts. In separate but parallel stories that echo one another, two boys were each befriended by Jackson, who invited them into his singular and wondrous world. Seduced by the singer’s fairy-tale existence and enthralled by their relationship with him, both boys' families were blind to the manipulation and abuse that he would ultimately subject them to. Through gut-wrenching interviews with the now-adult men and their families, Leaving Neverland crafts a portrait of sustained exploitation and deception, documenting the power of celebrity that allowed a revered figure to infiltrate the lives of starstruck children and their parents.

Wow. Thank you for posting. I’m old enough to remember MJ’s hits with the J5.

This is old news.

Credibility is lacking here but MJJ was a weird one.

Short version:

Party 1: Wade Robeson testified crucial info FOR THE DEFENSE under oath FOR Michael in 03. The accusers then were extremely full of shit and the mother was a hustler. Even mj hater Jay Lenos testimony painted a picture of a woman who coached her kids on what to say. Fraudulent stories etc previous scams.

As such. WADE is now lying which means he'd perjured himself in 03.

Robeson is embittered and broke and feels that MJJ estate should've given him the work on the MJJ ONE and Cirque du soleil stuff. Instead it went to another choreographer. Now he needs money. Any involvement here would TYPICALLY be met with an insurance payout to keep them from burdening an image while mj was alive.
Conveniently "remembered" when dismissed from MJJ ESTATE projects.

Although he claims he was not paid for one sided "doc" (which offers no refuting matters) he's after an estate payout or subsequent book deals after harming estate


Changes story, sues

Party 2: wade Robeson was repeatedly groomed and molested and only remembered recently because he had children. Sues estate "only because can't bring charges on dead man"/statute of limitations

Mj ruined his life. Although he defended him in court.


Second bit : supposedly story taken from book alleging crimes by Jackson. Mj sued the guy in the 90's and won multi-million dollar settlement.
Guy never paid.

Now Safechuck is uSing same story from book in order to get a big pay day.

OR:

Once again. Mjj groomed him and parents with gifts and serially molested boy for a decade. And we're only hearing about both in these last 10 years when m Michael died and perhaps stopped assisting their lives


Me? I think they're fraudulent claims but mjj put enough smoke for fire around himself with questionable behavior.

You decide for yourself.

However i don't believe it's even handed so it shouldn't be called a documentary

Thanks for your thoughts Matt. This is what I was wondering last night. There’s so much money involved, we’ll never get at the truth. I really don’t need to get emotionally involved in this so I won’t watch it.

One has to wonder what troubled MJ so much that he needed propofol to sleep.

I have not seen the damn thing but will watch it like any person attentive to the stories that circulate around the dude.

QUEEN, Prince, Stevie Wonder, Gil Scott Heron, Black Sabbath, The Who, Eurythmics and MJJ....the longer it goes the fewer there will be


That's a short list of people I'll check up on often because of my love and admiration for them. I always check things out pretty much, ...an attempt to be objective. But yeah in this scenario. ... who really knows?

:-/

Haven't heard from Emmanuel Lewis yet. Who knows man. Hard to find objectivity.
Hundreds if not thousands of kids passed through that place on visits but he never took ALL those kids under his wing.

Sean Lennon, Macaulay, Feldman. .. they've given their voice at different times. The guys life will Be dissected forever it seems.

With a small amount of research, these claims are easily debunked. I wonder less and less as time goes on why both MJ and FM said, "I don't have any real friends".

Ultimitely their parents took large amounts of cash to shut up. They are the real scumbags here.

Has someone else seen the documentary?

Not yet. I did watch the CBS videos on youtube. Sadly to me this has the ring of truth to it. What I meant above was I hate getting emotionally involved in these things when one can never get the truth.

Mooghead—that’s my impression of the parents too. They say they were “groomed”. Get serious. It’s the parents’ job to protect.

Anyway, I’m in the US but don’t currently have a subscription to HBO. There’s something else I want to watch, so when the mood strikes, I’ll reactivate and do plan to check out Leaving Neverland.

There hardly seems any point raking all this stuff up again unless it's for money.

It’s for money. I think they’re appealing a court decision against them due to statute of limitations. I hope I haven’t mixed this up with something else. So I guess they’re trying to win in the court of public opinion.

Jackson was a paedo. When he paid millions to that kid's family for his silence pretty much confirmed it.

Lots of ignorance on this thread. Well done on judging before you'd even seen it, folks.

Anyway, as you were...

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Lots of ignorance on this thread. Well done on judging before you'd even seen it, folks.

Anyway, as you were...[/QUOTE]

U know. I've seen all but the first 8 minutes of it. Watched the second part yesterday which interviews the family of both and wife of Robeson.
Framed into the context presented here, some of the recorded statements (*telephone calls which they recorded of Mj...odd considering this was the early 80's....) could sound like infatuation. ....but in thinking about it, they were likely coached when Michael says "i really like hanging with YOU (full name of kid)" meaning they were goaded on "say my full name so my friends will believe it) sorta stuff.

THAT could go either way. Here it's presented as sickly infatuation. (Though they went right along with it if it was)

Then the only other stuff that seems lurid is communications and then hearsay by the accusers here. They narrate abuse and Michaels supposed wounded misunderstood man talk as being there to sympathize with.
How he allegedly taught him how to masturbate, then "masturbated him" and oral, and concealed doors (*which every rich person has in California) and that mj would have him bend over and jerk to him etc.

Things very lurid and anger provoking. Yet things that haven't been substantiated by a credible witness yet. Only a former maid/servant who was FIRED then sold a similar story of mj with his hands IN Macaulays pants while playing a game.... people who had been fired (not let go) going forth with stories to generate a quick 10-20K


Then a narrated abuse thing in detail which would get at peoples heart strings and match with anger.

However, and this isn't victim blaming/shaming.... there's still more to this whole mess than is led on here.

The alleged "doc" is very one sided and dodges Robeson's pleading to be part of MJ ONE/CIRQUE SU SOLEIL thing.

When he was turned down by the estate these allegations came out.

Also failed to mention are a string of high profile gigs which he'd burnt his bridges on; the narrative of the film is that he had never forgot and that he's had a mental breakdown and has had difficulties working and it's implied that he's damaged and can't work anymore owing to Michael's alleged abuse

Supposedly he's the guy that f**ed Britney and broke up Britney and Justin Timberlake.... he'd also shagged Mayte Garcia (Prince's possibly THEN wife...i don't know the time frame on that one . Just off work a little digging will turn it up) and his professional career has taken a dump because of such things as fucking with your bosses significant other.

He'd burned a lot of bridges and lost favor by his own means several times.

I believe the guy feels entitled to his position and others who grew up with him (a Jackson niece who says he was get bf for 7 years) say that he's got issues and will stop at nothing to get his money/way... so there's a significant issue there.

The guy is broke and has auctioned off his real items from MJJ in the past. (*he had a dispute with the consignment company: he wanted to remain anonymous, but they insisted on putting his name with it)

I'm not a curator but it's said that the stuff he burns in the film are not the original items. Infamous or not i don't see someone simply burning that stuff


He's also started a "charitable organization" of significantly a class and type that does not have to file earnings reports, so in spite of his claims to have not been paid for the film. ... the lawsuit that was thrown out was for $1.5 BILLION dollars in damages.

As of now, it's been suggested that Robeson owes back money and fees for that legal work.

Under his Hawaiian charitable group he can acquire funds and not report nor pay.

Yet another issue.

Also the three or four other folks mentioned as being other victims including Macaulay, Emanuel Lewis, Corey Feldman, and the other guy who's name escapes me has just gone on Twitter to post something along the lines of "when your time comes you won't be thinking about the money etc etc " ....something about HE WILL pass with a clear conscience through this life. ...implying the opposite for these two.

So. ... it is what it is. Overall it brings up old shit and hasn't swayed me more either way. I still will probably never know until one of these guys is dying or something. ...but having changed this story multiple times i still won't know until that Chandler guy comes forth or that arvizo guy.

About two years back that Arvizo guy got married and some reporter tracked it down. The dj played an MJJ tune at the ceremonies

Dunno if that means anything.

Also. These stories either corroborate or show direct plagiarism from the book written by a NAMBLA supporter (**)correction) *VICTOR Gutierrez who was sued by mj while alive in the 90's and lost a huge legal settlement before filling bankruptcy and leaving the country. The original case Michael Jackson vs. Paramount pictures was in regards to this book: [currently available on amazon for a hefty price, since obviously it was retracted in the frivolous lawsuit and was shit to begin with]

http://www.amazon.com/Michael-Jackson-Was-My-Lover/dp/9562723054

The story is the same. Right down to an alleged wedding ceremony to the boy.

Incredulous? Disgusting? Who knows man.

I simply don't know. My suspicion is big on this. I knew mj was crazy as shit and possibly a one off. Just not certain about any of this v without remaining a skeptic