Jake12
Sorry if it’s been talked about before but have we ever talked about this photo before? If so what’s the reason on the delay of a official Hyde Park release?
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thomasquinn 32989
1) The existence of a recording doesn't mean it was meant to be released, simply that they wanted the *option* to release it.
2) There is no telling how good (or bad) the recording actually is based on a picture of the tape box. Maybe it was simply deemed insufficiently good.
3) It may well have been scrapped in favor of Live Killers. The format of Live Killers suggests that Queen didn't want a single full concert but a 'best of'-tour document.
4) There were notable problems (like the angry audience and some disturbances) that might be awkward on a release, likewise the somewhat odd setlist could have been an issue for the band and the management.
2) There is no telling how good (or bad) the recording actually is based on a picture of the tape box. Maybe it was simply deemed insufficiently good.
3) It may well have been scrapped in favor of Live Killers. The format of Live Killers suggests that Queen didn't want a single full concert but a 'best of'-tour document.
4) There were notable problems (like the angry audience and some disturbances) that might be awkward on a release, likewise the somewhat odd setlist could have been an issue for the band and the management.
dysan
Its certainly an interesting show - but perhaps they know that always having it, like Earls Court, there for bonus material and doc clips is greater than a full release.
The difference between those and say the DVDs of Rainbow / Milton Keynes / Hammersmith is that they were broadcast or released so already out there and essentially reissues.
The difference between those and say the DVDs of Rainbow / Milton Keynes / Hammersmith is that they were broadcast or released so already out there and essentially reissues.
aristide1
The video and multitrack audio recordings clearly show the intention of release. They were not meant for personal collection or for British Library Archive.
The real problem with Hyde Park and Earls Court is not a technical one.
It's about the flamboyant homosexuality displayed by the lead vocalist, who was considered awkward then and apparently it still is now (by the people who legally own the item from the picture above).
Are you affiliated in some way with QP thomasquinn? Because you speak for them in a very Jim Beach tone.
The real problem with Hyde Park and Earls Court is not a technical one.
It's about the flamboyant homosexuality displayed by the lead vocalist, who was considered awkward then and apparently it still is now (by the people who legally own the item from the picture above).
Are you affiliated in some way with QP thomasquinn? Because you speak for them in a very Jim Beach tone.
Holly2003
[QUOTE] [b]aristide1 wrote:[/b]
The real problem with Hyde Park and Earls Court is not a technical one.
It's about the flamboyant homosexuality displayed by the lead vocalist, who was considered awkward then and apparently it still is now (by the people who legally own the item from the picture above).
[/QUOTE]
Let's file that one under 'bullshit.'
The real problem with Hyde Park and Earls Court is not a technical one.
It's about the flamboyant homosexuality displayed by the lead vocalist, who was considered awkward then and apparently it still is now (by the people who legally own the item from the picture above).
[/QUOTE]
Let's file that one under 'bullshit.'
aristide1
You're right Holly, Earls Court remains unreleased because of the missing 20 sec of audio and some other minor technical issues.
The fact that a fruitcake in a bodysuit and with a boner is all over the stage has nothing to do with that.
The fact that a fruitcake in a bodysuit and with a boner is all over the stage has nothing to do with that.
pittrek
I honestly can't imagine who is a Queen fan and at the same time has a serious problem with Freddie's sexuality. I didn't like how he looked like in the 1973-1977 era, and I still bought every single DVD with footage from that era, not to mention all the non-official stuff I have. I seriously doubt that it could be a reason for NOT releasing the footage, aristide1. I mean he looked even more gay in Rainbow and Hammersmith, and still the releases sold well.
Holly2003
So Aristide, you think Fred's sexuality remains problematic? Have you been in a darkened cave for the last 3 decades?
aristide1
[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
I honestly can't imagine who is a Queen fan and at the same time has a serious problem with Freddie's sexuality. I didn't like how he looked like in the 1973-1977 era, and I still bought every single DVD with footage from that era, not to mention all the non-official stuff I have. I seriously doubt that it could be a reason for NOT releasing the footage, aristide1. I mean he looked even more gay in Rainbow and Hammersmith, and still the releases sold well.[/QUOTE]
Brian maybe? I think he has a problem with Freddie's sexuality, but I'm not totally sure he is a Queen fan.
As for me, I am just trying to find a reasonable explanation for the missing of Earls Court from Queen catalogue.
Let's try again with quotation marks: The fact that "a fruitcake in a bodysuit and with a boner" is all over the stage has nothing to do with that. Better now?
I don't know if someone ever said that but certainly someone thought that at some point.
Otherwise you will find Earls Court DVD or Bluray in a shop near you (Bratislava?) and don't have to do any remastered edition.
I honestly can't imagine who is a Queen fan and at the same time has a serious problem with Freddie's sexuality. I didn't like how he looked like in the 1973-1977 era, and I still bought every single DVD with footage from that era, not to mention all the non-official stuff I have. I seriously doubt that it could be a reason for NOT releasing the footage, aristide1. I mean he looked even more gay in Rainbow and Hammersmith, and still the releases sold well.[/QUOTE]
Brian maybe? I think he has a problem with Freddie's sexuality, but I'm not totally sure he is a Queen fan.
As for me, I am just trying to find a reasonable explanation for the missing of Earls Court from Queen catalogue.
Let's try again with quotation marks: The fact that "a fruitcake in a bodysuit and with a boner" is all over the stage has nothing to do with that. Better now?
I don't know if someone ever said that but certainly someone thought that at some point.
Otherwise you will find Earls Court DVD or Bluray in a shop near you (Bratislava?) and don't have to do any remastered edition.
Holly2003
Since we're in the realm of make up your own facts, how about this one: Fred had a decade and a half to push for the release of these concerts before he passed away but he didn't do so. Why was that? At the start of the 1980s he developed his macho look, complete with moustache, and he didn't like to be reminded of his 'effeminate' or androgynous look of the 1970s. Therefore, he blocked the release of these concerts. (After he died, Brian continued to honour Fred's wishes by not releasing them.) The only problem with this theory is I have no proof at all to support it.
bucsateflon
Brian May and the Red Special counteracts any over gayness
dysan
[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]
Since we're in the realm of make up your own facts, how about this one: Fred had a decade and a half to push for the release of these concerts before he passed away but he didn't do so. Why was that? At the start of the 1980s he developed his macho look, complete with moustache, and he didn't like to be reminded of his 'effeminate' or androgynous look of the 1970s. Therefore, he blocked the release of these concerts. (After he died, Brian continued to honour Fred's wishes by not releasing them.) The only problem with this theory is I have no proof at all to support it. [/QUOTE]
If we're making up theories counteracting made up theories, I'm not sure there was a market for it - certainly once they figured a home video release was a good idea they used current material (quite rightly as they were a functioning band. Once they started digging into the archives for stuff (Rare Live and At The Beeb) at a natural break in their career it signposted a fresh retrospective look but I fear events took over. After that they (as they admit) were bumbling around in the dark without much direction. Then once they picked up the archival treats idea the previously released material was given a make over (the obvious place to start with now formats like DVD arriving) and once again they were overtaken by circumstance at started working with PR.
Since we're in the realm of make up your own facts, how about this one: Fred had a decade and a half to push for the release of these concerts before he passed away but he didn't do so. Why was that? At the start of the 1980s he developed his macho look, complete with moustache, and he didn't like to be reminded of his 'effeminate' or androgynous look of the 1970s. Therefore, he blocked the release of these concerts. (After he died, Brian continued to honour Fred's wishes by not releasing them.) The only problem with this theory is I have no proof at all to support it. [/QUOTE]
If we're making up theories counteracting made up theories, I'm not sure there was a market for it - certainly once they figured a home video release was a good idea they used current material (quite rightly as they were a functioning band. Once they started digging into the archives for stuff (Rare Live and At The Beeb) at a natural break in their career it signposted a fresh retrospective look but I fear events took over. After that they (as they admit) were bumbling around in the dark without much direction. Then once they picked up the archival treats idea the previously released material was given a make over (the obvious place to start with now formats like DVD arriving) and once again they were overtaken by circumstance at started working with PR.
Chopin1995
I'm thinking to myself, if 'the flamboyant homosexuality displayed by the lead vocalist' and 'a boner' is the problem, why Brian wanted so much to release Montreal 81 where the lead vocalist is almost naked at the end? On top of that, it's in HD.
Chopin1995
Also, thanks for the photo! Never have seen that before.
The Real Wizard
Here's a better photo.
Also - this discussion is ridiculous. It's pretty sad to see this kind of homophobia on a Queen forum in 2019.
[QUOTE] [b]Chopin1995 wrote:[/b]
I'm thinking to myself, if 'the flamboyant homosexuality displayed by the lead vocalist' and 'a boner' is the problem, why Brian wanted so much to release Montreal 81 where the lead vocalist is almost naked at the end? On top of that, it's in HD.[/QUOTE]
Bingo.
Also - this discussion is ridiculous. It's pretty sad to see this kind of homophobia on a Queen forum in 2019.
[QUOTE] [b]Chopin1995 wrote:[/b]
I'm thinking to myself, if 'the flamboyant homosexuality displayed by the lead vocalist' and 'a boner' is the problem, why Brian wanted so much to release Montreal 81 where the lead vocalist is almost naked at the end? On top of that, it's in HD.[/QUOTE]
Bingo.