[QUOTE] [b]Day dop wrote:[/b]
Lambert sounds like absolute SHIT compared to Freddie Mercury. Lambet's voice, as I said, is thin, harsh, and grating.
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To you maybe but that's subjective and not fact - which part of different voice types are having a problem understanding? Anyone who's a low tenor, baritenor or baritone is gonna sound "thicker voiced" have more chest resonance and weight than a higher tenor but that's not power and it doesn't make a high tenor's voice thin, I've heard Adam live and his voice sounds different than on video, it's actually higher but more resonant and has no lack of power. All the harmonics in voices don't always pick up on recording equipment hence it can sound thinner than it does live and there's people who've said the same about him sounding different live since he very first toured solo so it's not just me, it's been said by lots of people.
As to followers, no idea why he doesn't have tons of followers since when he does anything high profile tons of people rave about him so I'd say it's likely the type of music he does solo rather than anything to do with his voice. From the start people expected him to do rock since that's more what he got initially known for but he chose to go the EDM/pop route and lost fans as that's not their thing and is probably the reason lots of people love him with Queen, and you're deluded if you think they don't, there's tons of comments after the shows raving about his voice.
[QUOTE] [b]rockchic65 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Day dop wrote:[/b]
Lambert sounds like absolute SHIT compared to Freddie Mercury. Lambet's voice, as I said, is thin, harsh, and grating.
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To you maybe but that's subjective and not fact - which part of different voice types are having a problem understanding? [/QUOTE]
To me and millions of others. I don't see Lambert topping polls like Freddie Mercury.
Also, have you read the science on Mercury's voice?
As for this...
Which part of difference voice types are having a problem understanding?
Could you say that in English, please?
[QUOTE] [b]rockchic65 wrote:[/b]
I've heard Adam live and his voice sounds different than on video, it's actually higher but more resonant and has no lack of power. All the harmonics in voices don't always pick up on recording equipment hence it can sound thinner than it does live and there's people who've said the same about him sounding different live since he very first toured solo so it's not just me, it's been said by lots of people.
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I've heard Lambert live and he sounds exactly the same as he does on video (thin, harsh, and grating).... but louder. That's the only difference when you go to a Queen+ AL gig. Lambert sounds exactly the same.... but louder.
I couldn't go again. Fuck that.
[QUOTE] [b]rockchic65 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Day dop wrote:[/b]
Lambert sounds like absolute SHIT compared to Freddie Mercury. Lambet's voice, as I said, is thin, harsh, and grating.
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As to followers, no idea why he doesn't have tons of followers since when he does anything high profile tons of people rave about him so I'd say it's likely the type of music he does solo rather than anything to do with his voice. From the start people expected him to do rock since that's more what he got initially known for but he chose to go the EDM/pop route and lost fans as that's not their thing and is probably the reason lots of people love him with Queen, and you're deluded if you think they don't, there's tons of comments after the shows raving about his voice.[/QUOTE]
I've told you why. He's shit. Lots of people also don't love him with Queen+ too. You're deluded if you think they do. There's tons of comments saying "He's no Freddie", and you often see comments that disapprove of him / his voice.
For a current artist, it's bad...
Lambert has 924,525 followers on Spotify. He only has 1.28M subscribers on YouTube.
Rihana has 33,833,163 followers on Spotify. She has 32.8M subscribers on YouTube.
And there's current artists with plenty more listeners and subscribers than her.
You are impossible toi try to have a discussion with, Your mind is made up and it is useless. All I can say is that Freddie was not universally appreciated before he unfortunately passed away. He was not regarded as the greatest rock singer ever back then. There are many fans of other bands from back in the day who would disagree with you. You always have to resort to name calling and that is why I don't pay any attention to your opinions either. In your always lovely words, your opinions are "shit".
Obviously you can't read either. The run for his money pertained to outrageous clothes (nothing else) that Freddie would probably be wearing now. You can't even read what an Adam fan writes without projecting your own false ideas into what was meant. You are totally close minded. JUST FYI he is not everyone's rock god. I am sure there are plenty of old fans of other groups who do not worship at the altar of Freddie. That is your problem. There are lots of other singers out there, who were and are still amazing and that has nothing to do with Adam. That is great that he is your end all and be all, but that doesn't apply to everyone.
[QUOTE] [b]snifflese wrote:[/b]
You are impossible toi try to have a discussion with, Your mind is made up and it is useless. All I can say is that Freddie was not universally appreciated before he unfortunately passed away. He was not regarded as the greatest rock singer ever back then. There are many fans of other bands from back in the day who would disagree with you. You always have to resort to name calling and that is why I don't pay any attention to your opinions either. In your always lovely words, your opinions are "shit".[/QUOTE]
How is a mind useless if it is made up on something? Fore example, if I've made up my mind that I can't stand spam fritters, does that make my mind useless?
No, of course it doesn't.
What a bizarre thing you've come out with there.
Freddie Mercury was very much loved before he passed away. Have you not checked the positions Queen albums were reaching? Are you not aware how quick the Magic Tour sold out? Are you not aware Mercury's status as a front man and rock singer was cemented at Live Aid? (I would say even before that, but certainly by Live Aid).
And you clearly do pay attention to my opinions, as you're replying to my comments, you twat.
[QUOTE] [b]snifflese wrote:[/b]
Obviously you can't read either.
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Obviously I can't read either? How the fuck did you conclude that?
Are you talking about earlier, where you wrote, "which part of different voice types are having a problem understanding?"
I can read it. The words are in English, but they don't make sense in that order. Perhaps you could read it back to yourself, see what I mean, then and rearrange it until it makes sense to one and all reading it?
[QUOTE] [b]snifflese wrote:[/b]
The run for his money pertained to outrageous clothes (nothing else) that Freddie would probably be wearing now. You can't even read what an Adam fan writes without projecting your own false ideas into what was meant. You are totally close minded.
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What run? What are you talking about? What "outrageous clothes" are you talking about?
Lambert's clothes aren't outrageous. This isn't Bowie in the 70s we're talking about here, is it? It's not Boy George in the 80s either. It's 2019, and Lambert is about as edgy as someone's Nan, as I've said before. Lambert's outfits are just crap and tacky.
As for "close minded". No, that's not how it works. You're closed minded if you reject something without evaluating it first. I've evaluated. I've even been to see Queen+ AL live, and my conclusion after evaluating Lambert is ... he's shit.
What ideas of mine you do perceive as "false"? I'm sharing my opinion. Y'know, that thing you don't pay attention to yet you keep replying regardless. Weird, huh?
[QUOTE] [b]snifflese wrote:[/b]
JUST FYI he is not everyone's rock god. I am sure there are plenty of old fans of other groups who do not worship at the altar of Freddie. That is your problem.[/QUOTE]
What the fuck are you on about now? Where did I say that Freddie Mercury is "everyone's rock God"?
That'd be a ridiculous thing to say as not "everyone" is into rock for a start, then not everyone who is into rock is into Queen. So... you're inventing arguments about what you think that I think, and you're saying that's my problem.
Impressive!
And to think, you said that I am "projecting" my "own false ideas into what was meant".
The irony!
[QUOTE] [b]snifflese wrote:[/b]
There are lots of other singers out there, who were and are still amazing and that has nothing to do with Adam. That is great that he is your end all and be all, but that doesn't apply to everyone.
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How the fuck did I ever manage to own hundreds and hundreds of CDs and vinyl albums without knowing there are "lots of other singers out there, who were and are still amazing and that has nothing to do with Adam."
You speak in revelations, truly!
And what are you on about with "That is great he is your end all and be all"? I think you meant "be all and end all" (that's how that saying goes). And the "but that doesn't apply to everyone" part on the end"?
What the fuck are you talking about? Seriously?
How about you quit projecting your shit and start reading what I've written, not what you imagined? That might help.
Makes no sense to argue with sniff. She obviously sniffed too much stuff up her nose to be completley braindead and deaf. Lamebert was always a joke and will always be. TOo bad two misguided old guys desperately trying to stay in the spotlight chose him as tool to still perform.
THose going to QAL for Lameturd are about 10 pple per show
The joke is you lot tying yourselves in knots trying to put the guy down and make out no one likes his voice when there's evidence everywhere to the contrary, it's beyond laughable but carry on with your little bitchfest, outside of here no one knows or cares about your opinions and while you're having your tantrum QAL are riding higher than ever, being asked to perform at more events and being praised more and more all the time lol.
Adam may not have the followers of Rhianna or whoever but then followers and numbers have never denoted quality and talent or the likes of Britney and Taylor Swift to say nothing of all the Hip Hop and Rap artists out there would be far more talented than Queen!!! Queen have 1.9 million followers on twitter, Adam has 2.5 million and Britney has 56.3 million and Katy Perry has 108 million - want to tell us again how followers equates to talent.
Listeners on Spotify - Britney, Taylor and Drake all have more monthly listeners than Queen!!!
[QUOTE] [b]Day dop wrote:[/b]
To me and millions of others. I don't see Lambert topping polls like Freddie Mercury.
Also, have you read the science on Mercury's voice?
As for this...
Which part of difference voice types are having a problem understanding?
Could you say that in English, please?
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Where have I said Lambert tops polls like Freddie or even compared him to Freddie? Freddie was amazing but he sadly died 28 years ago and I'm happy the band found someone to carry on with in the live arena, I don't need to make comparisons, they're completely different types of artists with completely different voices, I can like both without making it a competition.
Yes I've read the science about his voice, not sure why you're asking me that though.
My point about voice types is a high tenor is always going to have a lighter weight and thinner (for want of a better word) sound than a low tenor, baritenor like Freddie, that doesn't make their voice weaker, less powerful etc it's just a different timbre.
Incidentally when did you hear Adam live, what year?
[QUOTE] [b]Day dop wrote:[/b]
Freddie Mercury was very much loved before he passed away. Have you not checked the positions Queen albums were reaching? Are you not aware how quick the Magic Tour sold out? Are you not aware Mercury's status as a front man and rock singer was cemented at Live Aid? (I would say even before that, but certainly by Live Aid).
And you clearly do pay attention to my opinions, as you're replying to my comments, you twat. [/QUOTE]
Freddie was much loved by his fans but there are plenty people who weren't fans of Freddie or Queen, I've seen comments recently saying Queen were always crap and Freddie was as pretentious as their music. Not everyone will love the same artists, I find it unimaginable that someone wouldn't love Queen but I personally know people who are completely indifferent to them and even though they think one or two very well known songs are ok they just really don't give a damn about the rest of their music or the band.
[QUOTE] [b]rockchic65 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Day dop wrote:[/b]
Freddie Mercury was very much loved before he passed away. Have you not checked the positions Queen albums were reaching? Are you not aware how quick the Magic Tour sold out? Are you not aware Mercury's status as a front man and rock singer was cemented at Live Aid? (I would say even before that, but certainly by Live Aid).
And you clearly do pay attention to my opinions, as you're replying to my comments, you twat. [/QUOTE]
Freddie was much loved by his fans but there are plenty people who weren't fans of Freddie or Queen, I've seen comments recently saying Queen were always crap and Freddie was as pretentious as their music. Not everyone will love the same artists, I find it unimaginable that someone wouldn't love Queen but I personally know people who are completely indifferent to them and even though they think one or two very well known songs are ok they just really don't give a damn about the rest of their music or the band.
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I'm really not sure why you're replying that to me. At no point have I said that everyone was a fan of Freddie / Queen.
[QUOTE] [b]rockchic65 wrote:[/b]
Day dop wrote:
To me and millions of others. I don't see Lambert topping polls like Freddie Mercury.
Also, have you read the science on Mercury's voice?
As for this...
Which part of difference voice types are having a problem understanding?
Could you say that in English, please?
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[QUOTE] [b]rockchic65 wrote:[/b]
Where have I said Lambert tops polls like Freddie or even compared him to Freddie?
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Why are you asking me that? At no point did I say that you said Lambert top polls like Freddie, or that you compared him to Freddie.
[QUOTE] [b]rockchic65 wrote:[/b]
Freddie was amazing but he sadly died 28 years ago and I'm happy the band found someone to carry on with in the live arena, I don't need to make comparisons, they're completely different types of artists with completely different voices, I can like both without making it a competition.
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Really, you don't have to explain. It's like me liking David Bowie and Justin Bieber. Not that I do like Justin Bieber, but you get my drift. Anyone and everyone can like two or more artists at the same time.
[QUOTE] [b]rockchic65 wrote:[/b]
Yes I've read the science about his voice, not sure why you're asking me that though.
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Because it's interesting? Because this is a Queen forum? Hello?
[QUOTE] [b]rockchic65 wrote:[/b]
My point about voice types is a high tenor is always going to have a lighter weight and thinner (for want of a better word) sound than a low tenor, baritenor like Freddie, that doesn't make their voice weaker, less powerful etc it's just a different timbre.
Incidentally when did you hear Adam live, what year?
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2012. And no, his voice is just as horrible now as it was back then, in case you try to tell me otherwise. He's just as bad on the videos as he was back then. Probably worse, for me, as I've grown even less tolerate of that voice.
The only way his voice could be any good to my ears is if it became a completely different voice. Obviously that's not going to happen.
[QUOTE] [b]rockchic65 wrote:[/b]
The joke is you lot tying yourselves in knots trying to put the guy down and make out no one likes his voice when there's evidence everywhere to the contrary, it's beyond laughable but carry on with your little bitchfest, outside of here no one knows or cares about your opinions and while you're having your tantrum QAL are riding higher than ever, being asked to perform at more events and being praised more and more all the time lol. [/QUOTE]
I don't think that anyone sharing their opinion equates to "tying yourselves in knots". I don't think anyone is "trying" to put Lambert down. People are sharing their honest opinion of him as an artist.
I've not made out that "no one likes his voice", clearly there are people that do like it.
About "bitchfest" and "tantrum", surely the irony doesn't completely elude you whilst reading back over your own comment?
You are aware it's perfectly fine for people to have and share their opinions on a public performer, right?
[QUOTE] [b]rockchic65 wrote:[/b]
Adam may not have the followers of Rhianna or whoever but then followers and numbers have never denoted quality and talent or the likes of Britney and Taylor Swift to say nothing of all the Hip Hop and Rap artists out there would be far more talented than Queen!!! Queen have 1.9 million followers on twitter, Adam has 2.5 million and Britney has 56.3 million and Katy Perry has 108 million - want to tell us again how followers equates to talent.
Listeners on Spotify - Britney, Taylor and Drake all have more monthly listeners than Queen!!![/QUOTE]
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At 31 million or so followers fewer than Rihanna, I'd say there's no "may" about it lol.
Not sure if you missed it before, but...
Queen = 28th worldwide (top legacy artist on Spotify)
32,362,501 monthly listeners.
19,367,212 followers.
Adam Lambert = not ranked
2,334,794 monthly listeners
923,198 followers
Queen also dwarfs Lambert's numbers on Facebook. Not sure why Twitter is an anomaly for Queen. Even Black Sabbath have more followers on Twitter than Queen, so something is off there. Black Sabbath doesn't have anywhere near Queen's level of popularity, not in overall sales, followers on Facebook, YouTube views, or Spotify listeners / followers. And as we know, Lambert certainly doesn't.
I've already mention on one of the previous pages that current artists have more listeners / followers than legacy artists. That stands to reason. Current artists are releasing new material.
I even posted the listeners / followers of Post Malone, Taylor Swift etc in comparison to Lambert. I guess you did miss it, after all.
However, in regards to overall sales, Queen are the second biggest selling rock group only to The Beatles (and Queen are the biggest selling in Europe)
Btw, this list needs updating. Queen have undoubtedly overtaken Madonna by this point. Back in 2017, long before the movie, and not even taking it into consideration, Chartmaters said that, "as amazing as it seems, they fell a mere 2,4 million short of pushing down no other than Madonna. Considering their never ending appeal, even if the Queen of Pop continues to release albums, Queen are poised to dislodge her in the near future."
1. The Beatles – 405,737,000 (as of Mar 2017)
2. Michael Jackson – 323,741,000 (as of Sep 2017)
3. Elvis Presley – 314,044,000 (as of Sep 2018)
4. Madonna – 241,134,000 (as of Aug 2017)
5. Queen – 238,637,000 (as of Oct 2017)
6. The Rolling Stones – 237,135,000 (as of Dec 2016)
7. Pink Floyd – 229,426,000 (as of Jun 2017)
8. Led Zeppelin – 200,459,000 (as of Aug 2016)
9. Elton John – 196,130,000 (as of Feb 2018)
10. U2 – 194,519,000 (as of Aug 2016)
11. Céline Dion – 193,422,000 (as of Sep 2016)
12. AC/DC – 191,030,000 (as of Feb 2018)
13. Eminem – 177,121,000 (as of Jul 2019)
14. Eagles – 171,069,000 (as of Dec 2017)
15. Mariah Carey – 167,149,000 (as of Apr 2017)
16. Bruce Springsteen – 157,024,000 (as of Jul 2017)
17. Bee Gees – 156,874,000 (as of Apr 2017)
18. Metallica – 156,752,000 (as of Feb 2019)
19. ABBA – 156,623,000 (as of Nov 2016)
20. Barbra Streisand – 152,498,000 (as of Mar 2018)
The rest of the list is here....
https://chartmasters.org/2017/10/best-selling-artists-albums-and-singles-of-all-time/18/
[QUOTE] [b]rockchic65 wrote:[/b]
want to tell us again how followers equates to talent.
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"again"? I never said followers equates to talent in the first place. Although that said, it can be an indicator.
Also, I've addressed that current artists generally have far more listeners than legacy acts. They are releasing new studio material, after all. That being said, Queen is still the highest ranked legacy artist on Spotify.
You might think that's down to the movie, but no. It's not. As it says here, "even before the recent movie, Queen had been the “top catalogue artist” on its service between 2010 and July 2018."
https://musically.com/2019/01/04/70-of-queens-spotify-listeners-are-aged-under-35/
Another thing to bear in mind is that Spotify is how the vast majority of music listeners consume music now.
To give you an idea of how Queen ranks compared to other legacy acts, Queen is at 28, Michael Jackson is at 86. The Beatles are at 94. Led Zeppelin is at 211.
Interesting stuff, huh?
But despite being a current artist, Adam Lambert is not even ranked. That means he's outside of the top 500 most listened to artists lol.
