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Miracle. wrote:

. . . . Freddie is arguably the greatest rock male singer ever and the world would agree! (apart from you) who thinks Adam is better.). . .

. . . educate yourself and listen to the late great Freddie Mercury and understand the skill and craft of his voice. . . .


I completely agree with the first comment. But being the greatest "rock male singer" is not what you originally said best singer in the world is a totally different claim snd it's the one you originally made.

"Arguably the greatest. . . " is good, it invites disagreement as no one singer is perfect

The next bit about me educating myself and listening to Freddie, I have for years, but also listened to other singers too which is why my comments are justified and not made from a fan boy prospective.

As regards to Lambert I've never ever said he is better than Freddie. What I have said is that he is more capable of using the full range of his voice because he has 1, probably been taught to sing. 2, has never strained his vocal chords and knows how to look after his voice properly which is something Freddie didn't do. And therefore more able to give a more balanced performance over an entire tour.

Before you accuse me of saying stuff I haven't why don't you go though the history of posts on this site and try quoting from my posts if what you claim is true.
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@Vocal Harmony I am not into point scoring here i just say what the many Queen fans think and that is Adam may have the full range of his voice (according to you) but i have yet to hear this evidence
and Freddie was a rock singer Adam is not so you cannot compare the two.
Mercury is a Legend Adam is not.
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I am curious, Miracle, as to whether or not you have ever been to a QAL show and heard Adam? If not, how would you know what kind of range Adam has? You ought to check out some vocal critiques from people who are experts in singing, opera and teaching singing. Adam has a range that includes notes that very few of the top operatic tenors in the world can sing. He can also sing much lower than years ago. Many people have a wide range. but he can actually sing all of those notes and hit them beautifully. He can actually hit all of them LIVE, unlike a lot of singers and that is a big difference between him and many others. Hitting notes in the studio or with autotune don't count IMO. Adam can sing rock, depends on the kind of rock, but there is nothing he really can't sing. FM is a legend and no one on here has ever said that Adam is, so why is that even an issue? You folks like to misrepresent what some of us say and try to pretend it is something which it totally wasn't, so so that you can bitch and moan about it. No Adam fan has ever said here that Adam was a legend or a better rock singer than Freddie, so what is the issue?
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snifflese wrote:

I am curious, Miracle, as to whether or not you have ever been to a QAL show and heard Adam? If not, how would you know what kind of range Adam has? You ought to check out some vocal critiques from people who are experts in singing, opera and teaching singing. Adam has a range that includes notes that very few of the top operatic tenors in the world can sing. He can also sing much lower than years ago. Many people have a wide range. but he can actually sing all of those notes and hit them beautifully. He can actually hit all of them LIVE, unlike a lot of singers and that is a big difference between him and many others. Hitting notes in the studio or with autotune don't count IMO. Adam can sing rock, depends on the kind of rock, but there is nothing he really can't sing. FM is a legend and no one on here has ever said that Adam is, so why is that even an issue? You folks like to misrepresent what some of us say and try to pretend it is something which it totally wasn't, so so that you can bitch and moan about it. No Adam fan has ever said here that Adam was a legend or a better rock singer than Freddie, so what is the issue?


I've been to a Queen+ AL show. As I said elsewhere, Lambert sounds the same as he does on video, only louder. :-/

Why are you coming out with absolute horseshit like the following?

"Adam has a range that includes notes that very few of the top operatic tenors in the world can sing."

Do you think anyone here is stupid enough to actually think what you've said there is true? Seriously?
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While it would've helped Freddie during tours if he'd had training, Lambert is certainly the less naturally gifted singer.

From an article on Mercury's voice (as it simplifies the science for the average reader)...

"Regardless of what they might think personally about Queen, most rock critics and music fans alike recognize the immense vocal talent that was the great Freddie Mercury. Still, in case there was ever any doubt, new analysis of both Mercury’s singing and speaking voices has shed fresh light on just how special his pipes really were.

A group of Austrian, Czech, and Swedish researchers conducted the research, the results of which were published on Friday in Logopedics Phoniatrics Vocology (via AlphaGalileo). While they couldn’t confirm the long-held belief that Mercury’s range spanned four full octaves, they did discover some interesting tidbits about the expanse of his voice. For one, despite being known largely as a tenor, he was more likely a baritone. They based this assumption off analysis of six interviews that revealed a median speaking fundamental frequency of 117.3 Hz. That, coupled with anecdotal evidence that Mercury once turned down an opera duet because he was afraid fans wouldn’t recognize his baritone voice, led the conclusion that the singer was talented enough to jump out of his base range.
It’s true that without a living test subject, the researchers’ conclusions are largely unconformable. To get closer to the truth, however, the team brought in professional rock singer Daniel Zangger-Borch to imitate Mercury’s voice. They filmed his larynx at 4,000 frames per second in order to look at exactly how the Queen frontman created those iconic rough growls and jaw-dropping vibratos. What they discovered was that he likely employed subharmonics, a singing style where the ventricular folds vibrate along with the vocal folds. Most humans never speak or sing with their ventricular folds unless they’re Tuvan throat singers, so the fact that this popular rock vocalist was probably dealing with subharmonics is pretty incredible.

What’s more, Mercury’s vocal cords just moved faster than other people’s. While a typical vibrato will fluctuate between 5.4 Hz and 6.9 Hz, Mercury’s was 7.04 Hz. To look at that in a more scientific way, a perfect sine wave for vibrato assumes the value of 1, which is pretty close to where famous opera singer Luciano Pavarotti sat. Mercury, on the other hand, averaged a value of 0.57, meaning he was vibrating something in his throat even Pavarotti couldn’t move.

There’s a lot of scientific and analytical music terminology in the full study (which can be read here), but the conclusion was clear from the beginning: Freddie Mercury had a voice unlike anyone else in rock ‘n’ roll, and that led to one of the most unique singers and stage performers of all time.

As they say, the proof is in the pudding: [links you to a video of Freddie singing]."

https://consequenceofsound.net/2016/04/new-scientific-study-confirms-the-audience-freddie-mercury-had-an-unparalleled-singing-voice/

You can click through to the actual journal via the article.



Another singer that I admire is Mike Patton. His vocal 6 octave range is outstanding. But it's not all about range, as impressive as Patton's is. I also like Patton's tone.

Hear for yourselves...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaUrzMeS4xg

He's incredibly diverse as well.

He's an outstanding singer, I rate him second only to Freddie as my favourite singer.

The issue with Lambert is that I cannot stand his voice. It's fucking HORRID! The tone of it, how harsh and grating it is. It's just... urgh! Fuck off! lol.

Obviously, I am far from alone there. He seems to have a Marmite voice (a voice that divides people).
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@Vocal Harmony Quiet silly as you are always going on about "idiots" and questioning people about this and that, first you need to look in the mirror as your views are also biased and you cannot see past that can you?
Perhaps the biggest idiot on here is you because you protest too much if you do not like someones answer as you have to be right you have to be centre stage etc........
I do not need to prove my points with you because everyone knows Freddie Mercury is king of rock so you do not need to insult history because it has happened and you cannot take that away from people who appreciated Mr Mercury as "The voice"and spirit of Queen" ! Adam Lambert comes no where near as precious as Freddie.
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snifflese wrote:

Adam can sing rock, depends on the kind of rock


That's the problem. Anyone can sing rock. Nothing should "depend" though when being a professional singer. You either got it or you don't. Look at the diversity in Queen's songs... Freddie pulled them all off 100%... not just kind of... but did. No depends about it!

If Freddie had to have had limited himself, Queen wouldn't have existed further than the first Queen album.
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DayDop I agree with your post but will "Vocal Harmony" agree with you? Will she have the courage to attack you like she does to me every time or is it she just fancies a lesbian romp with me who knows ???????? lol
We all Know Adam is nothing special, he sounds like a pantomime singer and he is not cut out to be singing rock songs either.
He is nothing without Queen music and that is 100% true.
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I truly believe if Adam had his own band, but not a hard rock band for sure, that maybe he could find his place in the industry. He needs a band to work with, not hired songwriters.
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MisterCosmicc wrote:

I truly believe if Adam had his own band, but not a hard rock band for sure, that maybe he could find his place in the industry. He needs a band to work with, not hired songwriters.


I agree to a point, it's obviously a lot easier to write great music and have a consistent sound if you have a bunch of talented musicians who can play various instruments and write music but while he's still doing the QAL thing he couldn't/wouldn't have been able to have his own band, he's been touring pretty consistently since 2014 with Brian & Roger so he couldn't have had a band hanging around waiting for him to have a bit of free time, they would have wanted to be recording and touring more than he'd be able.

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MisterCosmicc wrote:

snifflese wrote:

Adam can sing rock, depends on the kind of rock


That's the problem. Anyone can sing rock. Nothing should "depend" though when being a professional singer. You either got it or you don't. Look at the diversity in Queen's songs... Freddie pulled them all off 100%... not just kind of... but did. No depends about it!

If Freddie had to have had limited himself, Queen wouldn't have existed further than the first Queen album.


Sorry but I don't agree, Freddie could sing rock but not all types of rock, he wouldn't have been able to sing some styles of rock the way the original did he would have had to adapt them to his voice type the same way Adam has to adapt the songs to his. You can't make someone with Freddie's type of rock voice sound like a Mike Patton, Geoff Tate, Axl or Seb Bach any more than they could sound like Freddie style, there's tons of rock singers and they all sound very different and they wouldn't all be able to sing any style of rock in the original style.
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Freddie has benefitted from everyone else, since the Tribute Concert, trying to do his songs and naturally not being as good.

But of course Freddie would only be bringing his own style if he covered other rock bands, tending towards a baroque pastiche version . I’d say he would have nailed anyone from the Sex Pistols to Black Sabbath in this fashion.
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Adam can credibly sing any genre of music without sounding really weird. A lot of rock singers can't do a really sweet ballad or a kitschy song like KQ. Opera singers to me always sound odd outside of opera music. Country singers often can't carry off other styles. Adam can pretty much sing anything pretty well. Ballads, the kitschy songs and slightly operatic songs like 7 Seas of Rhye are exceptional. I don't think there is another person nowadays who can sing WWTLF like Adam can and the power in his voice would boot you out of the arena. Some of the harder rock songs are a little less successful but still pretty good You would be hard pressed to find one singer in the world who can sing all the varieties of songs in the Queen catalog like Adam. He is one of the few and maybe the only one now who can sing everything well. There were quite a few singers to carry the load in the Queen Extravaganza show and also in WWRY. The most amazing thing about his voice is that he does it consistently night in, night out . Even Freddie could not do that. If anything Adam sounded stronger after the recent tour at the end than he did in the beginning. That is a gruelling 2 - 21/2 hours to sing with the types of songs that he does. There should be some credit for that.

As far as seeing him in 2012, he is a different beast at this point in time. I heard that first concert in Kiev and I cringed at a few of the songs. He is older, his voice has deepened and he has trained his voice for another 7 years. The vocal quality is far superior now than it was back then. Even Freddie didn't sound like Freddie for the first year or so I am sure. I f you heard him now., I am sure you would see the vast improvement over the years.

I am always curious why Marc Martel gets a free pass when he is the ultimate hanger on to the coattails of Queen. That is all he does pretty much, imitate Freddie and Queen and that is how he makes his money. Why is that perfectly permissible, yet you deride Adam for it?

Basically we all can't be Freddies. No one has ever said Adam is, as far as I know. He is a great singer and he is the vehicle to keep the music alive at the concerts. I don't get the animus towards him at all. He doesn't try to be Freddie, doesn't do anything to irk Queen fans and yet the majority of you dump on him.
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Because Martel doesn’t sing with the band ? And there are no Martel fans aggravating long term Queen fans with silly statements.

Personally I never watch Queen cover bands. I did see QAL.
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Day dop wrote:

I've been to a Queen+ AL show. As I said elsewhere, Lambert sounds the same as he does on video, only louder. :-/



You can't have valid opinion of AL unless you have attended seven QAL concerts. ;p

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