Mr Bad Guy - Special edition

cmsdrums wrote:

I asked Mack on Facebook if he had been involved/consulted/what he thought of the remix and replacement of bass parts...his reply is:

“No idea what they are up to” !

Two schools of thought:

1) he was a hired hand as engineer/producer/mixer and would have been paid accordingly at the time so it’s nothing to do with him, or
2) knowing his closeness to Freddie (and the band for a long period) and that he was so involved with Me Bad Guy, courtesy would suggest they at least let him know this was happening and what their reasons are.

Still, Mike Moran has been excluded from Barcelona and that’s pretty much as much his product as Freddie’s, so on those grounds Jim Beach is clearly not bothered who he upsets.


Incidentally, I still think Brian doesn’t have much regard for Mack - he put him out of his comfort zone with different recording methods and clearly formed a close bond with Freddie, and didn’t pander to some of Brian’s ways in the studio. Brian also publicly disparaged him when ‘Rock Montreal’ came out, suggesting the original audio mix left a lot to be desired and had now been sorted ....totally unjust when it was probably their best sounding live audio at the time...Rio and Japan 85 were/are FAR worse!

If Brian didn't have much regard for Mack, why did he ask him to mix the Star Fleet Project?

Holly2003 wrote:

cmsdrums wrote:

I asked Mack on Facebook if he had been involved/consulted/what he thought of the remix and replacement of bass parts...his reply is:

“No idea what they are up to” !

Two schools of thought:

1) he was a hired hand as engineer/producer/mixer and would have been paid accordingly at the time so it’s nothing to do with him, or
2) knowing his closeness to Freddie (and the band for a long period) and that he was so involved with Me Bad Guy, courtesy would suggest they at least let him know this was happening and what their reasons are.

Still, Mike Moran has been excluded from Barcelona and that’s pretty much as much his product as Freddie’s, so on those grounds Jim Beach is clearly not bothered who he upsets.


Incidentally, I still think Brian doesn’t have much regard for Mack - he put him out of his comfort zone with different recording methods and clearly formed a close bond with Freddie, and didn’t pander to some of Brian’s ways in the studio. Brian also publicly disparaged him when ‘Rock Montreal’ came out, suggesting the original audio mix left a lot to be desired and had now been sorted ....totally unjust when it was probably their best sounding live audio at the time...Rio and Japan 85 were/are FAR worse!

If Brian didn't have much regard for Mack, why did he ask him to mix the Star Fleet Project?

Starfleet was in 1983 - The QUeen work with Mack ended in 1986

It began with The Game. Read Mack's comments about Brian May's discomfort with Mack's style, and his collaboration with Fred in excluding Brian from the initial recording session of CLTCL. If Brian was that uncomfortable though, it seems unlikely he would choose to use Mack for his solo album 3 years later, and not raise any issues he had for the next 3 years while he worked alongside with Mack and the rest of the band.

Holly2003 wrote:

It began with The Game. Read Mack's comments about Brian May's discomfort with Mack's style, and his collaboration with Fred in excluding Brian from the initial recording session of CLTCL. If Brian was that uncomfortable though, it seems unlikely he would choose to use Mack for his solo album 3 years later, and not raise any issues he had for the next 3 years while he worked alongside with Mack and the rest of the band.

Seems the REAL issues started only later on. THe last MACK interview on German radio was less than flattering for Brian. He clearly has a problem with him and obviously vice versa

I've been hoping they'd do something like this for years with Mr Bad Guy. That Love Me Like There's No Tomorrow only had subtle improvements is a good sign.

runner_70 wrote:

Day dop wrote:

Taking the last couple of decades or so into consideration, I really don't have much faith left in Roger and Brian's creative abilities anymore.

True Roger's solo albums were so-so but Brian did absolutely NOTHING apart from a few collaborations and The ELlis ALbums which were mainly covers.

Sad as he was a prolific songwriter-where has the passion for creating gone?

Brian and Roger have done an excellent job of marketing Queen's music, but creatively speaking, since No One But You, for me, it's ranged from indifference to cringe.

Whoever claimed the BRILLIANCE of MBG has to be a sycophant, newbie or fucking INSANE.

It is none of that

Mr Bad Guy ain't brilliant. But Freddie's vocals are. A lot of the songs are quite catchy. With decent production, it'd be alright.

Mr Bad Guy is a very good pop album featuring several excellent songs.

I agree with CMI - it's a good fun mid 80s pop album. I'm not massively defensive of it, but they really shouldn't be changing it.

Has anyone with a good ear listened to the old and new LMLTNT to identify the difference, I have listened to the new mix and sounds great. Opinions are always subjective, in my opinion Freddie’s voice excelled on Mr Bad Guy, he was obviously having a good time.

>Sad as he was a prolific songwriter-where has the passion for creating gone?

The same dark place it went when he burdened us with "We Believe" and "Cosmos Rockin'"

There's absolutely no coming back from there.

46664 was an epic arrangement and a great idea, marred by terrible terrible lyrics.

It doesn't look as if they're adding in the William Orbit version of 'There Must Be More To Life Than This' into this pack. It would seem that it obviously belongs here....thought I'm almost glad it's not included as it is possibly the horrendously mixed track I've ever heard, and makes the original Mr Bad Guy sound like a fucking masterpiece of production and mixing.

dudeofqueen wrote:

>Sad as he was a prolific songwriter-where has the passion for creating gone?

The same dark place it went when he burdened us with "We Believe" and "Cosmos Rockin'"

There's absolutely no coming back from there.

To be Fair "We Believe" was one of the better TCR songs