As it began ' or any other books

TUHI, I Imagine spending all those years with Freddie phoebe was clouded with memories of fun, love, sickness, and then memories of the moment of his death that never left him.His first book your right it was maybe hard to recall everything he still missed his employer and friend so deeply.I remember him saying after Freddie's death he coped alot by drinking to sooth that grief and pain.Im glad he is in a better place.

For that matter teo men or two women can create a happy home with love and happiness it's something I never understood either.Why should it matter to someone else.They arent the ones involved in the relationship but yet you would think they are by their judgements it's gotten much better but we got a little ways to go.I wish we could live like they did in Woodstock in the 60s that was probably an awesome time.

thereuhaveit it has baffled me the length this particular person goes to do discredit Jim. The things that she says are totally astounding and i often have no words when I see it. Perhaps there is a hint of homophobia , I hope not but what else can it be!!

Good point about time with regards to Peters thoughts on Freddie and love. Maybe overtime he began to recall his time with Freddie and has realized there must have been a different love between Freddie and Jim , a love that is different to the love he had for his friends and the love he received from his friends. The love you have from one special person tends to be different and to me it was clear Freddie craved this kind of love.

I am just glad that he had Jim at the end along with Peter and Joe xxx

Yup, she's a piece work. She has multiple accounts on Quora with at least a few people challenging her. I think there's more than a 'hint' of homophobia, but her stories about Jim are wacky.

What are some of the things she is saying? I don't think I have seen her posts.

chevyman I think it's best not to feed her by writing on here what she has been saying. It's not nice and I don't want to think about it as it makes me sad and cross.

Doughnut, I forget folks can see everything on these sights I dont want to know her anyway.I hope Amidds returns soon he or she stays so busy working but does find time to read.Im wondering about something in David Minns book Do you think it was awkward for poor David when he spent the night with Freddie and Mary in their apartment knowing he was the lover and she had no idea.I remember a part in the book where Freddie invites David to stay and he does the next morning Freddie gets up like nothing's wrong after sleeping with Mary and says to David are you hungry Mary fixes great scrambled eggs.Imagine that .

Finally back and almost caught up on work - seems as if I missed a lot of good convo. I won't drag the discussion back but I do want to thank Doughnut for the info and link (on GL and Mary) - it was nagging me that I couldn't locate the source for that! AND - thanks for the book recommendation TUHI. It was very poignant and beautifully written! I won't go further as it's not a Queen or FM book but I would recommend The Great Believers to all!

Regarding the discussion on Phoebe and his statements on FM & Jim and time putting things in perspective.......I know I've said this many times (sorry) but as I read Phoebe's books, I notice a lot of innuendo and incomplete info as if he is being overly cautious. I understand this completely!! However, then he later opens up and you get the statement like Doughnut referenced where Phoebe is very clear on Freddie's feelings for Jim and Mary. I'm sure that Phoebe is very careful out of his love for FM and any others he is writing about but it can be confusing!! See pg 216 of his first book where he is talking about FM cutting some people out of his life. Phoebe references "there are reasons I know of for this", mentions one specifically then kinda moves on. Makes me wonder if there is something else going on that makes him feel as if he has to be evasive at times ("Timing and the manipulation of events seems to have been an integral element in this whole story", pg 245). Am I reading way too much into this lol?

Amidds, no I dont think you are reading too much into by things I think phoebe has always been careful when talking about Freddie's relations and even now due to Queen productionsxand all good point.

Typo Queen productions and all.Im typing on my phone lol

I feel that Queen productions primarily Jim beach has had a big influence on what phoebe has and hasn't said this is just my personal opinion.There are no references to this anywhere.

I feel that Queen productions primarily Jim beach has had a big influence on what phoebe has and hasn't said this is just my personal opinion.There are no references to this anywhere.

Amidds, I agree with you....I feel like Phoebe’s books are very cautiously written, he seems to me to be guarding things while trying to share general insights. He gives some examples where he can, but it does seem like he’s holding back. I get it, whether contractually (guessing he had a non-disclosure agreement) or just as a good friend keeping confidence. I don’t think we’ll ever get anyone to spill (not that I really want them to). I actually love that no one has really done a true tell-all, it gives me hope that real friends do exist!

My human zoo, yes they are carefully written I just meant that there may have been a contract he had to sign that he wasnt allowed to discuss certain matters .It does seem he had a great friend in phoebe and company meaning Joe , Jim and any other employees that protected him from that awful media circle.

Amidds, glad to see you back and I'm thrilled that you enjoyed "The Great Believers"--my feeling is that it's one of those great American novels that show up from time-to-time and that will be read generations from now.

I have the exact same impression about the information Freestone shares, or doesn't, as the case may be. In reading his two books and seeing/reading later interviews, he was careful with his words/explanations in the early years after FM's death, but more open later on. I won't speculate as to why, but distance from the actual events, possible legal issues, and his own evolution of thought must all play some role in the seemingly disparate phrases and stories.