Another proof how it is done

[QUOTE] [b]ggo1 wrote:[/b]

The never boring bluray of the videos actually looks decent but unless they release it as a standalone it's not happening , the box set is a crazy price for basically no new material.

There's been some good boxsets in recent years. I liked the Def Leppard hysteria set, (though it was incomplete). Whitesnakes 1987 was really good.
Alan Parsons eye in the sky has a shitload of bonus tracks and a brilliant 5.1 surround mix. The Marillion EMI boxes are decent and very well priced. Dark Side Of the moon Immersion edition was initially overpriced but had a wealth of excellent material in it. These are just a few I've bought recently.

There are blueprints of how to do it... every one of those I listed, I loved, but a quick check online shows that some people had issues with either the price or the content, so it's not possible to please everyone. Having said that, i wish the band would at least try more often.
Rainbow was good, hammy was overpriced but had good content, I love the NOTW alternates disc, but I realise I'm lucky enough to be able to afford it and adding some genuine standalone outtakes or demos would have made that better.
So they can do some good stuff, they just don't seem to want to release it. A constant drip leaves a poor taste.

Was really expecting a live killers set this year, guess we'll wait for 2029 now. I'd like em to release this stuff before I go deaf or get dementia. I'm almost as old as the band.

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Leppard was also stuff a halfway hardcore fan already had. Almost everything was available on official releases beforehand. NOTW was great but only 1 disc worth of interest. The rest was annoying audiowise. The docu was great as well. ANd it was overpriced. Those Whitesnake boxes like 1987 and the new one are awesome. And reasonably priced. I paid 65 Euro!

I really wonder why they have an archivist. Is he only there to make lists? Very frustrating. Queen are the one band from the "Big ones" with the worst Reiussues by far! Floyd Beatles etc are way ahead

The sales of Beatles come from the multidiscs and multi forms of the album. Thus if you buy the remixed abbey road it counts like 4 copies sold. Depending the edition.

Beatles have strong fanbase especially for first week. Public Joe don't give a dam for unrealesed songs.

I don't think that's true is it?

Dim might be correct there. At least for physical sales. Back in the days when it was the only thing that mattered, a double album counted as two sales providing it had a price above a certain amount. So when it was average of of 3.50 for a single album, doubles counted as two provided they were listed at over 5.00 (figures pulled from my arse and therefore not at all accurate)
Also it was the same for gold and platinum albums, you only needed to sell 150 000 doubles to get a platinum album, but 300,000 for a single album

No idea of the rules these days, but streaming probably skews it a bit.

Unpopular fact... whilst we're all frustrated (myself included) by the lack of really good archive Queen releases, they - the artists - have every right to not release stuff. They're under no obligation to. Also, maybe it's Jim Beach - acting for the Mercury estate - who won't 'sign off' on these release. In other words the other 3 can and would....?

It is just a matter of profit margin. Joe public isnt interested in some half finished songs or some Fragments. Brian would never release some subpar demos. As much as a Hardcore fan would love this the market is limited. And a Compilation returns more than a box set.

I don't think there's a lack of good archival products per se - but the focus seems to be on surplus replica ephemera rather than the actual music. I do respect the stuff we have had but I get the feeling something like The Miracle set that's been discussed is probably being slowed down coming out because they are in extensive arguments with Hornby about getting the little model Miracle Express right rather than the music.

(The do actually make a 2884 model btw)

[QUOTE] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]

It is just a matter of profit margin. Joe public isnt interested in some half finished songs or some Fragments. Brian would never release some subpar demos. As much as a Hardcore fan would love this the market is limited. And a Compilation returns more than a box set.[/QUOTE]

This is actually nonsense, as proven by the likes of the Beatles, Pink Floyd, Kinks and Rolling Stones rolling out the archives releases. A proper re-issue programme with multiple discs of bonus studio material would be massive. The days of compilations being big money spinners are over - profits from single CD releases are now nothing compared to what are essentially rip off box sets

But how much does it cost do do one and how many are sold. I doubt the profit margin is higher than on a greatest Hits release. Surely the SOundtrack to BR (which was another GH) sold more and had more profit than the overpriced NOTW Boxset. Apart from the BEatles no other bands boix set charted pretty high. SO no nonsense at all just logic.

Exactly the casual buyer doesn't care about demos, outtakes etc. The Beatles have about 10000 fans in UK able to buy every boxset etc, depending the edition their sales go triple thus 30000. None of their recent releases of remixed albums went gold or plutinum. The same for pink floyd etc.

Queen greatest hits and platinum have shifted three times bigger sales than Beatles and Pink Floyd reissues and all that before the movie. Now Queen sales are bigger due to the movie. Only finished unreleased songs like MIH could have big sales and attract some interest from general public.

[QUOTE] [b]Dim wrote:[/b]

Exactly the casual buyer doesn't care about demos, outtakes etc. The Beatles have about 10000 fans in UK able to buy every boxset etc, depending the edition their sales go triple thus 30000. None of their recent releases of remixed albums went gold or plutinum. The same for pink floyd etc.

Queen greatest hits and platinum have shifted three times bigger sales than Beatles and Pink Floyd reissues and all that before the movie. Now Queen sales are bigger due to the movie. Only finished unreleased songs like MIH could have big sales and attract some interest from general public. [/QUOTE]

True. The Stones Live and reissues and also FLoyd are due to the Fact that they seem to cater for the hardcore fans. And a "greatest Hits" regarding Floyd would be a cd single as they were always an album band with no hit singles. QP overlook the hardcore fans and cater for Joe public. After the movie even more so!

Be interesting to know if the rainbow, hammy and NOTW sets actually made money. Patently they are more expensive to put together than a compilation but on the other hand Queen seem to have a staff of people who are constantly 'working on new projects'. But no idea when or if they will see the light. They have to take a back seat every time a new compilation is needed.
I can understand that the success of the movie has taken everyone by surprise and changed the current direction of the business, and from a business standpoint it also makes sense not to have new Queen material coming out when there's a big new pink Freddie compilation to sell, because they would obviously compete. But as a fan, it's just frustrating. The BR soundtrack last year did have a couple of interesting tracks on it, and it is still doing well in the charts so financially it's been a boon, but I fear it's success is just a sign to the business that they should drip feed us rather than actually produce something that isnt live designed for hard core fans.

[QUOTE] [b]ggo1 wrote:[/b]

Be interesting to know if the rainbow, hammy and NOTW sets actually made money. Patently they are more expensive to put together than a compilation but on the other hand Queen seem to have a staff of people who are constantly 'working on new projects'. But no idea when or if they will see the light. They have to take a back seat every time a new compilation is needed.
I can understand that the success of the movie has taken everyone by surprise and changed the current direction of the business, and from a business standpoint it also makes sense not to have new Queen material coming out when there's a big new pink Freddie compilation to sell, because they would obviously compete. But as a fan, it's just frustrating. The BR soundtrack last year did have a couple of interesting tracks on it, and it is still doing well in the charts so financially it's been a boon, but I fear it's success is just a sign to the business that they should drip feed us rather than actually produce something that isnt live designed for hard core fans.[/QUOTE]

Negative Creep, re:

>This is actually nonsense, as proven by the likes of the Beatles, Pink Floyd, Kinks and Rolling Stones rolling out the archives releases. A proper re-issue programme with multiple discs of bonus studio material would be massive. The days of compilations being big money spinners are over - profits from single CD releases are now nothing compared to what are essentially rip off box sets

Exactly. Done right, the Queen studio legacy could have been cemented in place and the band rightly hailed - creatively - alongside the top 5 bands in rock history.

It hasn't been. They're not. And they won't be anything more than the comedy / novelty act QPL has allowed it to become.

May (and / or Beech and Taylor) has absolutely nothing on his radar except for this touring circus (what was that absolutely fucking R I D I C U L O U S mask about?) that is Queen+ to the extent that, even when they get it partly right (the hybrid / frankenstein effort that is the NOTW box) they can only be bothered to get that sort of partly, partly right.

To be perfectly honest, if they DO decide to release anything that comes even remotely close to a studio anthology, I certainly won't be paying for it given the money I've invested in the brand over the past 35 years.