What did John, Freddie and Roger think of Brian's live guitar solos?

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runner_70 06 January 2020 11:09 · Member since February 2018

The Real Wizard wrote:

dysan wrote:

If they hated it they wouldn't have done it. It was an exciting part of the show. There's a reason that stayed and the Prophet Song vocal improv disappeared :D

Bingo.

But cue the conspiracy theorist trolls to use that as "proof" that May's ego was larger than Mercury's.

No conspiracy theory but facts according to those that were in the studio recording with em - MACK for example. Conspiracy theory only to those who think BR is accurate storytelling and May Fanboys

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runner_70 06 January 2020 11:13 · Member since February 2018

The Real Wizard wrote:

dudeofqueen wrote:

Sure, by 1977 there was a lot of Page soloing - but it was nowhere near the majority of any show, even at his most drugged up. Jonesy's piano solo in No Quarter and Page's White Summer and noise solo spots, even at their most self-indulgent, were less than an hour of the 3 1/2 hour show combined.

Led Zep never played 3 1/2 hr shows. We knew you were clueless when it comes to Queen history. Seems the same goes for Led Zep

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dudeofqueen 06 January 2020 12:35 · Member since March 2011

Clawhauser, re:

>I've had a good think about this and even gone and done some homework. Turns out we've both got a lot to learn here (runner_70 is just going to keep trolling, but you're someone I've always respected here, so I'll bite).

You arrogant prick.

There we go ladies and germs - the self-styled QZ policewoman has displayed her true colours right here.

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runner_70 06 January 2020 12:59 · Member since February 2018

dudeofqueen wrote:

Clawhauser, re:

>I've had a good think about this and even gone and done some homework. Turns out we've both got a lot to learn here (runner_70 is just going to keep trolling, but you're someone I've always respected here, so I'll bite).

You arrogant prick.

There we go ladies and germs - the self-styled QZ policewoman has displayed her true colours right here.

Is The Real Wanker a woman? I knew he was a cry baby and has no clue what she is talking about but really? Wow

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brENsKi 06 January 2020 13:31 · Member since June 2003

runner_70 wrote:3 songs while led zep was doing whole albums being borrowed?

that's not an answer. Try addressing the facts.

See What A fool I've Been - is a lift from Sonny Terry & Brownie McGhee - That's How I feel and Elvis' Mystery Train
Another One Bites The Dust bassline comes from Chic's Good Times
Let Me Live (original) was too similar to Janis Joplin's Piece of My Heart to be allowed for general release.

a not forgetting 10cc Une Nuit a Paris (march '75) - lots of elements of this appear in Bo Rhap

you'd do yourself a bit of credit if you addressed each song referred to, in turn. see how you can absolve Queen of their "borrowing". But you won't.

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runner_70 06 January 2020 16:34 · Member since February 2018

There is a fine line between "Borrowing" and being influenced. Led Zep copied whole songs without giving credit. you obviously are a blind Led Zep fanboy so what

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brENsKi 06 January 2020 16:47 · Member since June 2003

runner_70 wrote:

There is a fine line between "Borrowing" and being influenced. Led Zep copied whole songs without giving credit. you obviously are a blind Led Zep fanboy so what

The simple fact that you end all of your arguments in a similar way, displays a void of cognizance. Your last 10 words underlines a complete lack of cohesive argument.

Again, you haven't answered the question. Queen "borrowed" heavily on those four songs. Listen to each side by side and tell me you really don't hear it.

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runner_70 06 January 2020 18:22 · Member since February 2018

And Led Zep copied full songs like "Daze anmd Confused " one to one you knobhead

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runner_70 06 January 2020 18:34 · Member since February 2018

back to topic:
Pissbreak and showing of ego. case closed

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brENsKi 06 January 2020 18:45 · Member since June 2003

runner_70 wrote:And Led Zep copied full songs like "Daze anmd Confused " one to one you knobhead

Yet again, you don't actually respond to the post. We all know it's because you are incapable discourse.

Your contempt for anything "non-Freddie" betrays your utter dimness, and is bereft of even a smidgen of intelligence. In years to come, "runner_70" will be a single-sentence entry in the dictionary - with every word beginning with a "B":

Bludgeoning, blinkered, bollock-brained bivalved, buffoon,

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runner_70 06 January 2020 20:14 · Member since February 2018

When you are running out of arguments you stick to childish insults. Same ol

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The Real Wizard 06 January 2020 21:11 · Member since August 2002

Holly2003 wrote:

Firstly I'm not picking on Zep. I'm a fan. But if I were choosing sides I'd pick the original black artists over Zep. There's a power imbalance there which the band only addressed when forced to do so by lawyers.

A fair assessment.

But how many of the original artists would we have even heard of had it not been for Zeppelin popularizing them to begin with?

People would've heard of Bert Jansch, but would they have been bothered to figure out that Jansch borrowed from Isla Cameron without crediting her? The vocal melody was entirely hers. But she didn't copyright it, so that's why Jimmy Page did the same thing.

One could argue that all white, British artists playing the blues were guilty of exploiting black music.

But then where is the line drawn between appropriation and genuinely loving something and wanting to share your interpretation of it?

If we disallow one race from playing another race's music, then they will forever be divided purely by their skin colour, thereby perpetuating the racism. This is why Elvis had to happen. Granted, in 1950s racist America it became abundantly clear that white people liked black music, just not from black people. But it was an important incremental step in building that bridge.

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The Real Wizard 06 January 2020 21:13 · Member since August 2002

runner_70 wrote:

The first one almost entirely - without giving credits to those who wrote the songs n the first place. You get a hint in this article. Even STairway to heaven was largely stolen

https://www.loudersound.com/features/the-led-zeppelin-songs-that-led-zeppelin-didnt-write

So you've gone from "whole albums" to "a fair amount of one."

And no, Stairway wasn't stolen. The main acoustic riff has a descending chromatic line that goes back to baroque times, and the contrary motion heard in the top line is not on the Spirit version. And considering that riff is a guitar line that totals less than one minute of an eight minute song, that is not "largely" - it is partial.

Drop the hyperbole. It doesn't look good on you.

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The Real Wizard 06 January 2020 21:14 · Member since August 2002

runner_70 wrote:

The Real Wizard wrote:

dysan wrote:

If they hated it they wouldn't have done it. It was an exciting part of the show. There's a reason that stayed and the Prophet Song vocal improv disappeared :D

Bingo.

But cue the conspiracy theorist trolls to use that as "proof" that May's ego was larger than Mercury's.

No conspiracy theory but facts according to those that were in the studio recording with em - MACK for example. Conspiracy theory only to those who think BR is accurate storytelling and May Fanboys

So there are only two choices - your version, or the biopic version that everyone involves readily admits is not a documentary?

Binary thinking. All you're showcasing here is how small your brain is.

For the record, Mercury wasn't showing up to mixing sessions for his own songs by 1982, and thought he could make a record as good as Thriller by 1985 without any outside help. Mercury, by far, had the biggest ego in Queen.

And tell us about all the personal assistants' heads Brian May shattered mirrors on, and then ordered them to clean up.

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The Real Wizard 06 January 2020 21:15 · Member since August 2002

runner_70 wrote:

Led Zep never played 3 1/2 hr shows. We knew you were clueless when it comes to Queen history. Seems the same goes for Led Zep

Wrong again, Weckwerth. You're the one who needs to do some basic research.

Many of Zeppelin's shows in 1975 and 77 crossed the 3 1/2 hour mark, with Seattle 3-21-75 and LA 6-27-77 being well known even to novice tape collectors. The last night at Earls Court ran nearly four hours.

Why even pretend to be a self-professed expert on a band you admittedly hate? Who are you trying to impress?

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