May - Descending Further Into The Abyss

From what i have read on social media quite a lot of Queen fans were very angry about Freddie made to look like a right twat and trouble maker within Queen which is untrue.
Sure Brian was blamed for many of the rows as he took ages in the recording studio and Freddie was the main one who got boiling mad about that.

[QUOTE] [b]ST17 wrote:[/b]From what i have read on social media quite a lot of Queen fans were very angry about Freddie made to look like a right twat and trouble maker within Queen which is untrue.
Sure Brian was blamed for many of the rows as he took ages in the recording studio and Freddie was the main one who got boiling mad about that.[/QUOTE]

social media? the same social media that SweetCaroline uses as her Adam Lambert glorification Gospel?
can you now see the inherent contradictions of this?
If people like SC use social media as their "lifeforce" for all things QAL and various left-wing rubbish, then we can't dismiss it as ramblings with one hand and hold it up as a pillar of veritas with the other.
We have to be consistent - we can't just use it to suit our arguments.

One other thing: the things most people are complaining about - are actual verified truths. These things DID happen, and in a Freddie Biopic Freddie's behaviour is relevant. Remember it's not a Brian Biopic, so it's not a critique of Brian's life/lifestyle.

It's only fair to compare treatment of Brian and Freddie within the movie itself, if the movie was a Freddie and Brian joint Biopic. It isn't.
We should remember this when making comparisons - they're aren't any to be made. It's ONLY about Freddie.

@brenski

It is a Freddie Biopic. But he is part of a band which has 3 other members and his decisions/behavior will be influenced by other members.

It is well known that Freddie and Brian fought a lot which added to lot of creative tension which is not shown.
Why would someone who has been part of a band for long, want to go solo? If they can have a fictionalized interview for hot space, why not show something where he talks about why he was doing a solo album?

We don't see any mention of Freddie's friends outside of Queen in the movie, except for Prenter. He had few steady friends outside of queen too. The movie never showed a fun side to Freddie.
He was always brooding which was not the case.
As mentioned already, his childhood life was missed.

For a Freddie biopic, we have a segment of Roger and Brian arguing about Sweet lady and we also have a segment of how 'we will rock you' was made. Not that I am complaining

In my opinion, it was neither truly Freddie biopic not Queen biopic. Just some mishmash of things put together. No cohesiveness at all. Certainly it was not entirely truthful!

I will watch 'Days of our lives' anyday over this.

[QUOTE] [b]JS21 wrote:[/b]We don't see any mention of Freddie's friends outside of Queen in the movie, except for Prenter. He had few steady friends outside of queen too. [/QUOTE]
He may have, but to be included in a movie, permission must be sought from those "friends" or their surviving relatives. Obviously, permission wasn't gained, so there's no way they get included.


[QUOTE] [b]JS21 wrote:[/b]As mentioned already, his childhood life was missed.[/QUOTE]
Again - as I said earlier in this thread. Most of the people who may have been able to give eyewitness accounts, may well be dead. And where they're not - you need a corroborating witness too. You can't just pass stuff off without this.


[QUOTE] [b]JS21 wrote:[/b]In my opinion, it was neither truly Freddie biopic not Queen biopic. Just some mishmash of things put together. No cohesiveness at all. Certainly it was not entirely truthful!I will watch 'Days of our lives' anyday over this.[/QUOTE]
It wasn't ever billed as a queen biopic - It's a Freddie Mercury Biopic. Clue was in the title: [color=blue]Bohemian Rhapsody (the only thing more extraordinary than their music is his story)[/color]
it's clearly a movie about his life and music within Queen - which I think (timeline juggling aside) it does quite well.

When all things are considered, these complaints don't really stack up.

@brenski - If they can create a fictionalized Ray Foster character, why not do the same for others?

Anyway, this will never end.

Its a movie which disappointed me. Obviously it did not disappoint you. Good for you!

@JS21 I agree the movie was a bit of a dogs dinner put together, and Brenski has his own opinions and so do you, i actually agree with you over the lies in the film were unforgivable if this film was about Freddie's life and it did not portray Freddie as the intelligent inquisitive musical genius that he was it just tarnished his name as been a bit of a diva and trouble maker.
Freddie would have been a bit jaded had he seen this film i am sure!

@ST17 - the movie has been discussed to death.

each of us have our own view. I feel a bit jaded now :)
It is time to move on.

[QUOTE] [b]ST17 wrote:[/b]Freddie would have been a bit jaded had he seen this film i am sure![/QUOTE]

I don't think he would. Also can't see why a Freddie fan would say that. After your 40+ years as a Queen fan, I'm sure you would know for a fact, Freddie would've:
>> being humble enough to accept some painful "home truths"
>> taken the criticism with the adulation
>> loved the attention, he was as much a diva as his favourite movie stars Deitrich and Garbo in his favourite movies (Shanghai Express) (Camille).

Freddie may have been a diva on stage but in his personal life he was painfully shy especially with those he was not accustomed too.
He was a sensitive man who hated things to go wrong on stage and he only strived for been number one!
We will never know how he would take the film, good, bad or just sheer disgust who knows?

[QUOTE] [b]ST17 wrote:[/b]We will never know how he would take the film, good, bad or just sheer disgust who knows?[/QUOTE]
well you say that ^^^, but a few minutes ago you were certain he'd dislike the movie:
[QUOTE] [b]ST17 wrote:[/b]'color]red]Freddie would have been a bit jaded had he seen this film i am sure![/color][/QUOTE]

You honestly think that the guy who dressed in drag for IWTBF, wore false boobs onstage and sent himself up in his own solo videos would've minded the film? not a bit of it! perhaps the horse's mouth might convince you otherwise - this is definitely a guy that wanted his story told...and as loudly and brashly as is possible.

[b][i][color=green]"Onstage, I am a devil. But I'm hardly a social reject."[/color]
[color=purple]"I'm just a musical prostitute, my dear."[/color]
[color=green]"The reason we're successful, darling? My overall charisma, of course."[/color]
[color=purple]“I won’t be a rock star. I will be a legend.”[/color]
[color=green]“I always knew I was a star. And now, the rest of the world seems to agree with me.”[/color]
[color=purple]“Dullness is a disease.”[/color]
[color=green]“What will I be doing in 20 years time? I’ll be dead, darling! Are you crazy?”[/color]
[color=purple]“If I die tomorrow I will not regret. I really did everything I could.”[/color]
[color=green]“Money can not buy happiness, but it can damn well give it!”[/color]
[color=purple]“Oh, I was not made for heaven. No, I don’t want to go to heaven. Hell is much better. Think of all the interesting people you’re going to meet down there”[/color]
[color=green]"The bigger the better; in everything."[/color]
[color=purple]"I want to lead the Victorian life, surrounded by exquisite clutter."[/color]
[color=green]"I guess I've always lived the glamorous life of a star. It 's nothing new - I used to spend down to the last dime."[/color][/b][/i]

[QUOTE] [b]Man from Zanzibar wrote:[/b]

In the theatrical version they didn't even show a bit of The Works '84-85 tour at all, only shooting of IWTBF music video and subsequent argument, which boils down to two points - "Fuck MTV and fuck the US" (rightfully so) and Freddie's "I want to go solo". And then...? Nothing. Before the Live AID there was that ridiculous line by "Movie Roger" - "But we haven't played together in years!".

Yeah, fuck this revisionist movie.[/QUOTE]


Utterly disgraceful - they should bow down their heads in absolute shame

[QUOTE] [b]Vocal harmony wrote:[/b]



It wasn't just a solo album, it was a major campaign, one that he was hoping would lead to a Michael Jackson type of career. He failed. He might have played it to the band, it doesn't mean they liked it or thought it was good. . . Who really knows. What a lot of people seem to have forgotten or maybe not registered was an interview at the time of Mr Bad Guy in which Freddie says ( excuse the paraphrasing ) it's time for a change and by that I mean leaving the band!

Yes the dates you quote are a fact, what you don't know is that the second half of The Works Tour was probably a band who had all but split and were fulfilling a contractual obligation. [/QUOTE]


What the heck are you smoking??????? Must be some bad stuff. I still have interviews with Freddie where he clearly says he does not want to break free from the band. And that he always misses Queen and he had no intentions to leave the band. Brian ROger and John even helped recording. Major campaign? Hardly but a few adverts. You are surely one of those newby fans or a Glambert - probably both!)

[QUOTE] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]Brian ROger and John even helped recording. Major campaign? Hardly but a few adverts. You are surely one of those newby fans or a Glambert - probably both!)
[/QUOTE]
no they didn't, they turned up as (effectively) session musicians, they didn't record, edit, mix or produce - they played their parts in HIS songs and that was it.

in exactly the same way that Chen, Van Halen, and co just played on Brian's first and Parfitt played on Roger's

[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]ST17 wrote:[/b]From what i have read on social media quite a lot of Queen fans were very angry about Freddie made to look like a right twat and trouble maker within Queen which is untrue.
Sure Brian was blamed for many of the rows as he took ages in the recording studio and Freddie was the main one who got boiling mad about that.[/QUOTE]

social media? the same social media that SweetCaroline uses as her Adam Lambert glorification Gospel?
can you now see the inherent contradictions of this?
If people like SC use social media as their "lifeforce" for all things QAL and various left-wing rubbish, then we can't dismiss it as ramblings with one hand and hold it up as a pillar of veritas with the other.
We have to be consistent - we can't just use it to suit our arguments.

One other thing: the things most people are complaining about - are actual verified truths. These things DID happen, and in a Freddie Biopic Freddie's behaviour is relevant. Remember it's not a Brian Biopic, so it's not a critique of Brian's life/lifestyle.

It's only fair to compare treatment of Brian and Freddie within the movie itself, if the movie was a Freddie and Brian joint Biopic. It isn't.
We should remember this when making comparisons - they're aren't any to be made. It's ONLY about Freddie.
[/QUOTE]

I think you are way off here - be it due to your May Loyalty or something else.

The film CLEARLY whitewashed May. His character was shown as "voice of Reason", almost the creative director of the band while Freddie was an unreliable druggie always late for studio work.

Who do you think was responsible for the scene in which "May" says, "I really composed the (BR) solo".

Maylor are the saints - like in the scene at the party where they say "this is not our scene" and go home to their wives and kids and family. Bullshit. They partied as hard as Freddie and did alcohol and drugs as well.

And what you mean with "verified truths"??? That they did not tour for ages b4 Live Aid? That Freddie had to beg May to get his job back ? That he confessed his illness to the others b4 Live aid? These are just blatant lies nothing else. Mostly to whitewash May. Taylor not so much his character comes across ad pretty silly and dumb. John was hardly shown.

ANd the "icing on the cake" is the homophobic undertone of the whole movie - "If he stayed with Mary he would still be alive" - utter crap. As MACK said in last year's radio interview there were A LOT of homophobic tendencies WITHIN the band. That really shocked me TBH. But I do not think MACK told lies. May is a two faced diva. Freddie was a diva as well but it was mostly him who was the diplomat in the studio and brought the other 3 back to the table.

I still think this movie is a real shame and despite the success it did Queen nothing good. I went with friends who had no real clue about Queen or Freddie and they went "I did not Know Freddie was such a dick" or "He really lived a sad life".......

Rewriting history is always the wrong thing in my book