[QUOTE] [b]JS21 wrote:[/b]
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Can you please share the source where Freddie said ''It is time for change' ?
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Fake news to me as well :)
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runner_70
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]Brian ROger and John even helped recording. Major campaign? Hardly but a few adverts. You are surely one of those newby fans or a Glambert - probably both!)
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no they didn't, they turned up as (effectively) session musicians, they didn't record, edit, mix or produce - they played their parts in HIS songs and that was it.
in exactly the same way that Chen, Van Halen, and co just played on Brian's first and Parfitt played on Roger's
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if they were so shocked by him going solo they surely would not turn up in the studio to help him. Don't believe that May crap
[QUOTE] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]Brian ROger and John even helped recording. Major campaign? Hardly but a few adverts. You are surely one of those newby fans or a Glambert - probably both!)
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no they didn't, they turned up as (effectively) session musicians, they didn't record, edit, mix or produce - they played their parts in HIS songs and that was it.
in exactly the same way that Chen, Van Halen, and co just played on Brian's first and Parfitt played on Roger's
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if they were so shocked by him going solo they surely would not turn up in the studio to help him. Don't believe that May crap
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[QUOTE] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]JS21 wrote:[/b]
@VocalHarmony
Can you please share the source where Freddie said ''It is time for change' ?
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Fake news to me as well :)[/QUOTE]
I'm working away from home, so couldn't get the info quickly, but here it is
Days of Our Lives DVD.
Freddie Quote: "Somtimes it's nice breaking away from a group that's been going for so long, meaning staying away"
Freddie Quote: "I love Queen but I don't want to spend the rest of my life living in a quartet"
Jim Beach Quote: "Mr Bad Guy was a disaster"
JS21 I'll give you a more detailed reply when time allows.
runner_70 stick your fake news accusations where the sun doesn't shine.
[QUOTE] [b]JS21 wrote:[/b]
@VocalHarmony
Can you please share the source where Freddie said ''It is time for change' ?
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Fake news to me as well :)[/QUOTE]
I'm working away from home, so couldn't get the info quickly, but here it is
Days of Our Lives DVD.
Freddie Quote: "Somtimes it's nice breaking away from a group that's been going for so long, meaning staying away"
Freddie Quote: "I love Queen but I don't want to spend the rest of my life living in a quartet"
Jim Beach Quote: "Mr Bad Guy was a disaster"
JS21 I'll give you a more detailed reply when time allows.
runner_70 stick your fake news accusations where the sun doesn't shine.
Star*
I wonder if Jim Beach thought that "The Cosmos Rocks" was a disaster or even the tacky "Bohemian Rhapsody" film ?
brENsKi
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brENsKi
[QUOTE][color=blue] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]I think you are way off here - be it due to your May Loyalty or something else.[/color][/QUOTE]not at all. i have no loyalty to any of them. I'm objective about all of it - and open-minded. Brian, Roger and John could all be dicks too - as often as Freddie - but the movie was not a biopic about them - it was about Freddie.
I have to say, quite often you articulate yourself well - despite your viewpoint being at odds with my own. But to open your counter-argument with this old "loyalty" chestnut, is a poor show. to state someone takes a different view to yourself out of loyalty to another is desperate, and it does you a disservice. argue on an objective level and you may make some progress, but trotting out this one time and again - loses you any argument before you begin.
[QUOTE][color=blue] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]The film CLEARLY whitewashed May. His character was shown as "voice of Reason", almost the creative director of the band while Freddie was an unreliable druggie always late for studio work.[/color][/QUOTE]not at all - it was a snapshot of the time where Freddie did actually go off the rails. Freddie was not some plaster saint, his lifestyle was not Mills And Boon or Hans Christian Anderson, this movie painted him quite fairly showing the great, the good and the bad in a flawed genius.
[QUOTE] [color=blue][b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]if they were so shocked by him going solo they surely would not turn up in the studio to help him. Don't believe that May crap[/color][/QUOTE]or perhaps they saw the bigger picture: "let him get this out of his system, and it may help get the band back together" - after all, NONE had any solo success to that point, did they?
[QUOTE][color=blue] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]And what you mean with "verified truths"??? That they did not tour for ages b4 Live Aid? That Freddie had to beg May to get his job back ? These are just blatant lies nothing else.[/color][/QUOTE]again, artistic licence - it's not literal, but put in context:
1981: Feb/March - Japan & Sth America / Sept-Nov Cent America and Canada (25 gigs total)
1983: No gigs at all
1984: Aug-Oct (28 gigs total)
1985: Jan-May )15 gigs total)
Of the 4 years before live aid, 3½ of them included a huge total of [b][color=purple]68 gigs[/b][/color]...by queen's previous standards - that's hibernation!
[QUOTE][color=blue] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]ANd the "icing on the cake" is the homophobic undertone of the whole movie - "If he stayed with Mary he would still be alive" - utter crap.[/color][/QUOTE]well, it's not utter crap. in the same way that staying with any one person, would mean staying alive. it just so happens that after he broke up with Mary, he went completely off the rails...discovered the clubs and bathouses and caught HIV. so it's a fairly accurate assessment once you remove any viewer perception bias.
[QUOTE][color=blue] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]Rewriting history is always the wrong thing in my book[/color][/QUOTE]you need to take those rose-tinted specs off. the movie is a piece of art, it's fairly reflective of Freddie...it's a biopic of Freddie's life within a band. it's not about the band and it's not a critique. i really think you're feeling this too personally.
[QUOTE][color=brown] [b]JS21 wrote:[/b]@brenski - If they can create a fictionalized Ray Foster character, why not do the same for others?[/color][/QUOTE]i think you need to stop and think this through, carefully. they can create a character that is "a compound of several", but you can't just create one character and give him a different name...you never heard of "the names have been changed to protect the guilty"? exactly.
I have to say, quite often you articulate yourself well - despite your viewpoint being at odds with my own. But to open your counter-argument with this old "loyalty" chestnut, is a poor show. to state someone takes a different view to yourself out of loyalty to another is desperate, and it does you a disservice. argue on an objective level and you may make some progress, but trotting out this one time and again - loses you any argument before you begin.
[QUOTE][color=blue] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]The film CLEARLY whitewashed May. His character was shown as "voice of Reason", almost the creative director of the band while Freddie was an unreliable druggie always late for studio work.[/color][/QUOTE]not at all - it was a snapshot of the time where Freddie did actually go off the rails. Freddie was not some plaster saint, his lifestyle was not Mills And Boon or Hans Christian Anderson, this movie painted him quite fairly showing the great, the good and the bad in a flawed genius.
[QUOTE] [color=blue][b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]if they were so shocked by him going solo they surely would not turn up in the studio to help him. Don't believe that May crap[/color][/QUOTE]or perhaps they saw the bigger picture: "let him get this out of his system, and it may help get the band back together" - after all, NONE had any solo success to that point, did they?
[QUOTE][color=blue] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]And what you mean with "verified truths"??? That they did not tour for ages b4 Live Aid? That Freddie had to beg May to get his job back ? These are just blatant lies nothing else.[/color][/QUOTE]again, artistic licence - it's not literal, but put in context:
1981: Feb/March - Japan & Sth America / Sept-Nov Cent America and Canada (25 gigs total)
1983: No gigs at all
1984: Aug-Oct (28 gigs total)
1985: Jan-May )15 gigs total)
Of the 4 years before live aid, 3½ of them included a huge total of [b][color=purple]68 gigs[/b][/color]...by queen's previous standards - that's hibernation!
[QUOTE][color=blue] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]ANd the "icing on the cake" is the homophobic undertone of the whole movie - "If he stayed with Mary he would still be alive" - utter crap.[/color][/QUOTE]well, it's not utter crap. in the same way that staying with any one person, would mean staying alive. it just so happens that after he broke up with Mary, he went completely off the rails...discovered the clubs and bathouses and caught HIV. so it's a fairly accurate assessment once you remove any viewer perception bias.
[QUOTE][color=blue] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]Rewriting history is always the wrong thing in my book[/color][/QUOTE]you need to take those rose-tinted specs off. the movie is a piece of art, it's fairly reflective of Freddie...it's a biopic of Freddie's life within a band. it's not about the band and it's not a critique. i really think you're feeling this too personally.
[QUOTE][color=brown] [b]JS21 wrote:[/b]@brenski - If they can create a fictionalized Ray Foster character, why not do the same for others?[/color][/QUOTE]i think you need to stop and think this through, carefully. they can create a character that is "a compound of several", but you can't just create one character and give him a different name...you never heard of "the names have been changed to protect the guilty"? exactly.
AlbaNo1
Even from the start of the film the May character had to keep Freddie in line. “ Learn the words Freddie...”
Something is going on there. There is no negative representation of Brian. Even if the film was about Freddie it would show how he viewed Brian and if he was a cause of frustration, even if only in Freddie’s mind.
Freddie did not leave the band. Taking a marital analogy he slept on the couch for a weekend, or went out with the lads instead of going to the in-laws.He did not move in with another partner. He did not get divorced.
Something is going on there. There is no negative representation of Brian. Even if the film was about Freddie it would show how he viewed Brian and if he was a cause of frustration, even if only in Freddie’s mind.
Freddie did not leave the band. Taking a marital analogy he slept on the couch for a weekend, or went out with the lads instead of going to the in-laws.He did not move in with another partner. He did not get divorced.
runner_70
[QUOTE] [b]AlbaNo1 wrote:[/b]
Even from the start of the film the May character had to keep Freddie in line. “ Learn the words Freddie...”
Something is going on there. There is no negative representation of Brian. Even if the film was about Freddie it would show how he viewed Brian and if he was a cause of frustration, even if only in Freddie’s mind.
Freddie did not leave the band. Taking a marital analogy he slept on the couch for a weekend, or went out with the lads instead of going to the in-laws.He did not move in with another partner. He did not get divorced. [/QUOTE]
Exactly - no need to even discuss this as it is clear to see unless you are a May Sheep. AS I do not like the guy (never really did) I surely ain''t.
Even from the start of the film the May character had to keep Freddie in line. “ Learn the words Freddie...”
Something is going on there. There is no negative representation of Brian. Even if the film was about Freddie it would show how he viewed Brian and if he was a cause of frustration, even if only in Freddie’s mind.
Freddie did not leave the band. Taking a marital analogy he slept on the couch for a weekend, or went out with the lads instead of going to the in-laws.He did not move in with another partner. He did not get divorced. [/QUOTE]
Exactly - no need to even discuss this as it is clear to see unless you are a May Sheep. AS I do not like the guy (never really did) I surely ain''t.
brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]Exactly - no need to even discuss this as it is clear to see unless you are a May Sheep. [color=red][b]AS I do not like the guy (never really did) I surely ain''t.[/color][/b][/QUOTE]
and therein lies the crux of it all. if you'd been honest enough to utter that last sentence way back...people would never have wasted their breath trying to reason with you.
i don't particularly like Brian, but I don't dislike him either. i try to be objective. you've just admitted an always [b][i]"was/is/will be " [/b][/i] completely closed mind on the subject. and you wonder why anyone would ever take your comments seriously?
to discuss things like adults - you have to be open to other people's viewpoints - you've admitted you can't do that...ever!!!
and therein lies the crux of it all. if you'd been honest enough to utter that last sentence way back...people would never have wasted their breath trying to reason with you.
i don't particularly like Brian, but I don't dislike him either. i try to be objective. you've just admitted an always [b][i]"was/is/will be " [/b][/i] completely closed mind on the subject. and you wonder why anyone would ever take your comments seriously?
to discuss things like adults - you have to be open to other people's viewpoints - you've admitted you can't do that...ever!!!
AlbaNo1
Neatly avoiding any comment on how Brian is portrayed in the film. Which is that of the steady influence, the guiding light. Or isn’t it? In a sense he is presented as the owner of the band. Which ties in with Brian’s increased profile in the last 20 odd years as the most recognisable member of a legacy band brand. Coincidence?
Also a lot of the Freddie quips quoted earlier in the thread actually illustrate his sense of humour. This wasn’t part of his character in the film at all.
Also a lot of the Freddie quips quoted earlier in the thread actually illustrate his sense of humour. This wasn’t part of his character in the film at all.
Dougie 4
Freddie's full personality never got a chance to expresss itself in the movie. I read in interviews that his friends and colleagues gave that his humourous fun loving side never made it on screen. Above all, Freddie was a very positive and optimistic person. You could not tell that from the movie
Star*
@Brenski Just reading your biased comment to Runner70 stating Freddie went off the rails going to clubs etc....... Please remember Paul Prenter had a man waiting for Freddie to go home with every night and maybe Prenter set Freddie up knowing the guy was HIV?
i certainly would not put anything past the evil sleeze Paul Prenter after all he introduced Freddie to the dangerous parts of the gay scene.
i certainly would not put anything past the evil sleeze Paul Prenter after all he introduced Freddie to the dangerous parts of the gay scene.
Martin Packer
If Jim Beach thought MBG was a disaster I wonder if he's revised his opinion based on what MIH did with parts of it.
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[QUOTE] [b]Martin Packer wrote:[/b]
If Jim Beach thought MBG was a disaster I wonder if he's revised his opinion based on what MIH did with parts of it.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure he has a different view of those songs re worked as Queen songs. The input of the other three has given them more depth and a broader sound palette. Freddie recorded Mr Bad Guy on his own terms without the ideas production/musical that the other band members could bring, and as such it was somewhat lacking in places.
If Jim Beach thought MBG was a disaster I wonder if he's revised his opinion based on what MIH did with parts of it.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure he has a different view of those songs re worked as Queen songs. The input of the other three has given them more depth and a broader sound palette. Freddie recorded Mr Bad Guy on his own terms without the ideas production/musical that the other band members could bring, and as such it was somewhat lacking in places.
brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]ST17 wrote:[/b]@Brenski Just reading your biased comment to Runner70 stating Freddie went off the rails going to clubs etc....... Please remember Paul Prenter had a man waiting for Freddie to go home with every night and maybe Prenter set Freddie up knowing the guy was HIV?
i certainly would not put anything past the evil sleeze Paul Prenter after all he introduced Freddie to the dangerous parts of the gay scene.[/QUOTE]
sorry, that doesn't work. Freddie was a grown adult, and it was his decision who he slept with. if your friend sets you up on a blind date, it's still YOUR decision if you go to bed with someone.
fact is he (Freddie) behaved like an utter tart. he shagged everything that moved - he really was completely off the rails.
i certainly would not put anything past the evil sleeze Paul Prenter after all he introduced Freddie to the dangerous parts of the gay scene.[/QUOTE]
sorry, that doesn't work. Freddie was a grown adult, and it was his decision who he slept with. if your friend sets you up on a blind date, it's still YOUR decision if you go to bed with someone.
fact is he (Freddie) behaved like an utter tart. he shagged everything that moved - he really was completely off the rails.