Brexit......

SweetCaroline wrote:

As everyone knows, I am not from the UK or the EU, but what stands out to me from this conversation is “the Baltics and Ukraine.” Sorry If I sound like a conspiracy nut, but I think the goal IS to weaken and completely destroy the European Union so that those right wing radicals can take over.

You have lost the plot, full stop.

The Baltics have no intention of leaving as far as I've noticed, being from there. The eurosceptic parties don't get elected (at least in my country) and the majority of people have no problems with being in the EU. To call us right wing radicals who would love to destroy Europe is quite something.

Chief Mouse wrote:

The Baltics have no intention of leaving as far as I've noticed, being from there. The eurosceptic parties don't get elected (at least in my country) and the majority of people have no problems with being in the EU. To call us right wing radicals who would love to destroy Europe is quite something.

SweetCaroline has no idea of how offensive, insulting she comes across. This isn't the first time she has wrongly judged people, and labelled a whole group of people.
She may turn this around to Trump...just because.
@ SweetCaroline...I think you owe an apology here. That's a fkd up statement you made, either way it's looked at.

Chief Mouse, I certainly was not referring to the Baltics and Ukraine as the right wing radicals. Sorry if that is how it came across because I mean the exact opposite. My view is that Vladimir, Nigel, Boris and Donald are the right wing radicals who want to destroy the EU, NATO and reshape that area to their liking. I think the incursion into Ukraine and Brexit is part of their plan to restore the old Soviet Union. Vladimir wants the Baltic countries and Ukraine back under his rule. Am I wrong?

Icy, as usual you are interfering in my business and sticking your nose where it doesn’t belong. Get out of my life!

SweetCaroline wrote:

Chief Mouse, I certainly was not referring to the Baltics and Ukraine as the right wing radicals. Sorry if that is how it came across because I mean the exact opposite. My view is that Vladimir, Nigel, Boris and Donald are the right wing radicals who want to destroy the EU, NATO and reshape that area to their liking. I think the incursion into Ukraine and Brexit is part of their plan to restore the old Soviet Union. Vladimir wants the Baltic countries and Ukraine back under his rule. Am I wrong?

Icy, as usual you are interfering in my business and sticking your nose where it doesn’t belong. Get out of my life!

The Baltics are afraid of Putin and whatever steps he could take, that's true. It's been quiet for a while now. A few years ago there were several instances of their "training" aircraft just happening to cross our airspace borders.

SweetCaroline wrote: My view is that Vladimir, Nigel, Boris and Donald are the right wing radicals who want to destroy the EU, NATO and reshape that area to their liking.

what utter tripe. You don't know the first thing about Boris, but I'll tell you anyway.
He is not trying to destroy the EU - the guy only "moved to the Leave campaign" late in the day.

why the fuck do left-wing radicals insist on calling anyone right of centre a radical?

there are radicals (nutjobs) in European politics - but you'll be disappointed to hear that they are all on the left side of of the political divide.

What about Poland? I keep hearing that the new leader and administration there are very far right!

I kind of agree with Nancy Pelosi that with Trump, at least, “all roads lead to Russia!” Or Putin?

SweetCaroline wrote:

What about Poland? I keep hearing that the new leader and administration there are very far right!

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SweetCaroline wrote:

Chief Mouse, I certainly was not referring to the Baltics and Ukraine as the right wing radicals. Sorry if that is how it came across because I mean the exact opposite. My view is that Vladimir, Nigel, Boris and Donald are the right wing radicals who want to destroy the EU, NATO and reshape that area to their liking. I think the incursion into Ukraine and Brexit is part of their plan to restore the old Soviet Union. Vladimir wants the Baltic countries and Ukraine back under his rule. Am I wrong?

Icy, as usual you are interfering in my business and sticking your nose where it doesn’t belong. Get out of my life!

Oh look, she brings up Trump, who would have ever expected that?? *sarcasm*.. As if the one thread full of your rages and conspiracies wasn't enough, you bring it to this one.
I think you are always in such a rush to post that you do not care what is actually in your posts. You just tend to lash out. If I never said about an apology would have even thought about it?
I think you are very uneducated about world events, it shows here in this thread and in the Trump one.
You seriously think those 4 men are out to destroy the EU, NATO and then reshape the area to their liking, and seriously belive Brexit is a part of the plan to restore the old Soviet Union?? Wtf. How do you come to those conclusions, by what you read on Twiiter?
I'm not in your life, you plainly messed up what you posted earlier, and even above I'm replying to you on a message board, it's what a message board is for.

I was an atheist until Trump. Now I can see the Antichrist is rising in the world of politics, as the prophecy, well, erm....prophesied.

Since then, we've had great fires, pandemics and locust plagues.

And the four-headed dragon is gearing up for war.

The end of the world is Bill Nighy.

to an extent, it's easy to see why Germany - the EU's biggest member state is also it's driving force.

The Federalist and hugely undemocratic EU and a unified, Federal (FRD) (West Germany) and the undemocratric, "Demorcatic" (DDR) (East Germany) - make for ideal partners.
A unified Germany leads a unified Europe.

@Brenski - the DDR ceased to exist in 1990. The former member states joined our constitution and there is nothing undemocratic about Germany. In our country the chancellor and government are elected by a parliament that represents the majority of the voters.

Much unlike England where the Prime Minister was not elected at all after Theresa May quit - he was appointed by your monarch without the need to be confirmed by the English people or the elected parliament. After the election in December the conservatives won the absolute majority in Parliament with only 43% of the votes which means that the majority of English voters has no representation in the government AT ALL, their votes were totally discarded. Maybe you should start at home when criticising democracy in other counties or the EU.

YourValentine wrote:Much unlike England where the Prime Minister was not elected at all after Theresa May quit - he was appointed by your monarch without the need to be confirmed by the English people or the elected parliament. After the election in December the conservatives won the absolute majority in Parliament with only 43% of the votes which means that the majority of English voters has no representation in the government AT ALL, their votes were totally discarded. Maybe you should start at home when criticising democracy in other counties or the EU.

Nothing wrong with our democracy. it's all founded on established law. if a party with a majority wants to change the parliamentary election procedure, then that's their right to do so. and no their votes were not discarded. did you not see what happened to Labour's Red Wall? it collapsed. it collapsed because even their own voters ad enough of their refusal to get on board with Brexit...so when it came to the polls they either voted Conservative or didn't vote at all - rather than vote Labour.
The current mood suggests that had those none-voters voted Labour might have lost 10-12 more seats in the North.

I wasn't making an allusion to anything. Just drawing parallels between the history of the EUs largest member, and the EUs own history.

Coincidental also, that 2 years after German reunification, Maastricht rubberstamps further expansionism for the EU (EEC as was).

as I said
West Germany = Federal Republic / EU = Federal Union
East Germany = "Democratic" Republic (DDR) / EU = undemocratic union.
1990 Germany gets bigger, then 1992 EU starts to grow in powers and (later on) take on more member states.

Before you say the EU is democratic, there is NOTHING democratic about instructing countries who voted to leave the EU, to "vote again until they get it right". There's also nothing democratic at the so-called independent head of the EU council spending the last three years backing and encouraging UK Remainers to "keep fighting, it's not done yet"

The EU's leaders/council have no desire or interest in respecting their citizen's opinions/votes and are only interested in their own (compulsory) integration agenda.

This is a disgraceful way to treat the very people who pay their salaries. It's beyond contempt.

@brenski: Fully agreed ^

richrich wrote:@brenski: Fully agreed ^

shitting hell!! then I must be wrong.