Yes, Gordon Bamford a few years back when he played locally.
Why do you bother posting streams, videos so much since you don't think people who dont, or can't attend that their views don't matter?
I'm not sure you say his shows were mesmerizing, I used to watch every clip of his shows that you used to post. Seriously, it looked low budget and not anything I'd call mesmerizing.
AL sang covers then, as he does now. Shocker. He depends on covers way too much. [/QUOTE]
He sang covers on the Idol tour since he hadn't any of his own music to sing at that point and when he did glamnation he had one album out so unless he was gonna do a very short set he would have to put covers in as well, would have thought pretty obvious really.
rockchic65 · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]SweetCaroline wrote:[/b] I went to in 2009 when he performed a Bowie medley, Starlight and Whole Lotta Love.
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So even in 2009 he was known for being a cover crooner. And WLL sounds even worse than those Queensongs this tool butchered. 11 years later his solo career has tanked he releases shitty dance pop that does not sell and is doing Queen covers[/QUOTE]
In 2009 he was a new artist straight off Idol with no music of his own out so I don't really know what you would expect him to be singing at that point.
Iron Butterfly · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]rockchic65 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
Yes, Gordon Bamford a few years back when he played locally.
Why do you bother posting streams, videos so much since you don't think people who dont, or can't attend that their views don't matter?
I'm not sure you say his shows were mesmerizing, I used to watch every clip of his shows that you used to post. Seriously, it looked low budget and not anything I'd call mesmerizing.
AL sang covers then, as he does now. Shocker. He depends on covers way too much. [/QUOTE]
He sang covers on the Idol tour since he hadn't any of his own music to sing at that point and when he did glamnation he had one album out so unless he was gonna do a very short set he would have to put covers in as well, would have thought pretty obvious really.
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Could he have written his own song before going on tour? Sure, he could have, but he didnt6 for whatever reason/s, no time maybe? Actullay all that video proved is how inexperienced he was.
A shorter set would have been better with his own music than the Zeppelin WLL cover for example. That was atrocious, IMO. Don't know why he chose that one to cover.
rockchic65 · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]rockchic65 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
Yes, Gordon Bamford a few years back when he played locally.
Why do you bother posting streams, videos so much since you don't think people who dont, or can't attend that their views don't matter?
I'm not sure you say his shows were mesmerizing, I used to watch every clip of his shows that you used to post. Seriously, it looked low budget and not anything I'd call mesmerizing.
AL sang covers then, as he does now. Shocker. He depends on covers way too much. [/QUOTE]
He sang covers on the Idol tour since he hadn't any of his own music to sing at that point and when he did glamnation he had one album out so unless he was gonna do a very short set he would have to put covers in as well, would have thought pretty obvious really.
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Could he have written his own song before going on tour? Sure, he could have, but he didnt6 for whatever reason/s, no time maybe? Actullay all that video proved is how inexperienced he was.
A shorter set would have been better with his own music than the Zeppelin WLL cover for example. That was atrocious, IMO. Don't know why he chose that one to cover. [/QUOTE]
Everyone loved that cover including B & R, it's the one that got him the attention of Spike on the show and started the whole QAL thing so while you might not like it he was doing it for the multitude of fans who did love it and there were loads, lots of his fans wanted him to go in a rock direction so doing rock covers like WLL and Purple Haze were a good idea to offset the more poppy stuff.
No he couldn't have made his own song before the Idol tour, there's a process involved when you get off those shows, the winner has a song written for them and recorded before the show ends and that's the one they have to put out, the rest who go on the tour cover songs since they haven't had time to get in the studio with their label and producers and start the process of recording. Adam actually recorded his first album in 3 months while doing the Idol tour so he would have new music out and could put together his own tour straight away after.
Why would an artist do a short set (pretty sure the fans would be pissed if that happened after they'd paid to see you) instead of filling up the set with covers. He did the majority of stuff off the album and threw in a few covers, as he got more albums out he did less covers and changed them up a bit, it's what people do.
Incidentally here's a list of some of the covers Queen did in their shows and they did already have plenty of solo music out, maybe artists sometimes like to do covers.
Jailhouse Rock
Tutti Frutti
Shake, Rattle and Roll
Stupid Cupid
Big Spender
Bama Lama Bama Loo
You're So Square
Hello Mary Lou
Saturday Night's Alright For Fighting
Whole Lotta Shakin' Goin On
Iron Butterfly · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]rockchic65 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
Sorry, missed your post earlier.
Since you ask, groundbreaking , means innovative, sorry his solo shows and tours were hardly that, not even close really. I can't name one Glamnation show that stood out.
Yea, he was known in some circles before Q+AL as three things.The guy who was a runner up on Idol, the guy who kissed his same sex band mates on an awards show, and his Rolling Stone cover. I wouldn't call myself a Glambert, but I watched his season of Idol.
I do find detailed it ironic as heck it's said that he didn't want to do an album of 80's covers, but has toured with Brian and Roger for the better part of a decade now.
I don't think AL is as "free" as you might think or hope. Like I've said before, the lines are blurred between his solove music and Q+AL. I think he is a very odd place these last two or three years. [/QUOTE]
The lines aren't blurred at all, he tours with B & R in short stints as a guest frontman and then goes back to his own life doing whatever he chooses be it recording music, doing tv appearances and anything else that comes his way that he feels like doing, it's called having a career that's diverse, nothing odd about that.
I call not wanting to RECORD covers and touring with an actual legendary band singing their music but in his own way completely different things, getting on stage with a live band and an audience and interacting in that way with amazing music to sing is fun and enjoyable. Standing in a recording booth singing a bunch of cover songs you have no connection to with no band and audience to bounce off and interact and have fun with sounds boring and not what someone who likes to be creative would find remotely fun. He gets to have the joy of touring with B & R for six weeks at a time and the creative satisfaction of creating and recording his own music (doesn't matter what you or anyone else thinks of his music) he's just happy doing it and then all the other stuff he does in between.
As to his glamnation tour there might not be anything that stands out to you but then you aren't the target audience, you arent a glambert and haven't seen him live so no idea how you would even know how good he was or what would be a stand out show. Did you watch a complete video of every single glamnation show to come to that conclusion? I know his fans record stuff but I doubt there's many if any full show videos out there of his glamnation tour, in fact I just had a look and all I could find is individual songs recorded so if you know where I can find the full show recordings I'd appreciate a heads up, I'd like to see some since I've never watched much of the glam nation stuff.
As to being free, he wasn't in the past with the labels trying to make him something he's not but he's definitely free to do whatever he wants now.[/QUOTE]
I don't know how you can say the lines are blurred when it is. When he tours with Brian and Roger, he gets asked a out his solo music, and vice versa. What stood out to me in a big way is at one time last year he said he wanted to catch Queen fans ears. I don't think he's managed to do so.
Not wanting to record an album of covers, then turning around singing covers with Brian and Roger, for the better part of a decade is quite something. Maybe Brian and Roger pay him more than a cover album was likely to do.
Who were the target audience of the Glamnation tour? The ones who watched him on Idol and voted for him? Well, I watched his season although I didn't vote for him, at the time IIRC, I don't think Canadian were able to phone in to vote. I watched his season and didn't fall for him, or think he looked like Elvis right away when I first saw him.
There actually used to be videos of his shows on YouTube, not sure if they are still there, I'm not going to bother looking maybe later on Sunday I will look and let you know ( it's 2.52 am here ), and nor do I need to see the videos here.
If I believe some of what the AL and Glamberts said, I'd believe RCA and Warner were making him do stuff. At the end of the day it was down to AL and still is down to AL to tour with Brian and Roger. I still think he puts Q+AL before his solo music. You say he can do whatever he wants to do now, but can he really?
Iron Butterfly · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]rockchic65 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]rockchic65 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
Yes, Gordon Bamford a few years back when he played locally.
Why do you bother posting streams, videos so much since you don't think people who dont, or can't attend that their views don't matter?
I'm not sure you say his shows were mesmerizing, I used to watch every clip of his shows that you used to post. Seriously, it looked low budget and not anything I'd call mesmerizing.
AL sang covers then, as he does now. Shocker. He depends on covers way too much. [/QUOTE]
He sang covers on the Idol tour since he hadn't any of his own music to sing at that point and when he did glamnation he had one album out so unless he was gonna do a very short set he would have to put covers in as well, would have thought pretty obvious really.
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Could he have written his own song before going on tour? Sure, he could have, but he didnt6 for whatever reason/s, no time maybe? Actullay all that video proved is how inexperienced he was.
A shorter set would have been better with his own music than the Zeppelin WLL cover for example. That was atrocious, IMO. Don't know why he chose that one to cover. [/QUOTE]
Everyone loved that cover including B & R, it's the one that got him the attention of Spike on the show and started the whole QAL thing so while you might not like it he was doing it for the multitude of fans who did love it and there were loads, lots of his fans wanted him to go in a rock direction so doing rock covers like WLL and Purple Haze were a good idea to offset the more poppy stuff.
No he couldn't have made his own song before the Idol tour, there's a process involved when you get off those shows, the winner has a song written for them and recorded before the show ends and that's the one they have to put out, the rest who go on the tour cover songs since they haven't had time to get in the studio with their label and producers and start the process of recording. Adam actually recorded his first album in 3 months while doing the Idol tour so he would have new music out and could put together his own tour straight away after.
Why would an artist do a short set (pretty sure the fans would be pissed if that happened after they'd paid to see you) instead of filling up the set with covers. He did the majority of stuff off the album and threw in a few covers, as he got more albums out he did less covers and changed them up a bit, it's what people do.
Incidentally here's a list of some of the covers Queen did in their shows and they did already have plenty of solo music out, maybe artists sometimes like to do covers.
Jailhouse Rock
Tutti Frutti
Shake, Rattle and Roll
Stupid Cupid
Big Spender
Bama Lama Bama Loo
You're So Square
Hello Mary Lou
Saturday Night's Alright For Fighting
Whole Lotta Shakin' Goin On
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Well, I didn't love the cover, so much for everyone right there ;-).
Oh dear. I know Queen did covers, I was talking about AL, not Queen. Why turn it around? Careful mentioning Queen in here, snifflese doesn't like that at all.
Holly2003 · Member since
WWL + Lambert = elevator muzak.
rockchic65 · Member since
Double post
rockchic65 · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
I don't know how you can say the lines are blurred when it is. When he tours with Brian and Roger, he gets asked a out his solo music, and vice versa. What stood out to me in a big way is at one time last year he said he wanted to catch Queen fans ears. I don't think he's managed to do so.
Not wanting to record an album of covers, then turning around singing covers with Brian and Roger, for the better part of a decade is quite something. Maybe Brian and Roger pay him more than a cover album was likely to do.
Who were the target audience of the Glamnation tour? The ones who watched him on Idol and voted for him? Well, I watched his season although I didn't vote for him, at the time IIRC, I don't think Canadian were able to phone in to vote. I watched his season and didn't fall for him, or think he looked like Elvis right away when I first saw him.
There actually used to be videos of his shows on YouTube, not sure if they are still there, I'm not going to bother looking maybe later on Sunday I will look and let you know ( it's 2.52 am here ), and nor do I need to see the videos here.
If I believe some of what the AL and Glamberts said, I'd believe RCA and Warner were making him do stuff. At the end of the day it was down to AL and still is down to AL to tour with Brian and Roger. I still think he puts Q+AL before his solo music. You say he can do whatever he wants to do now, but can he really? [/QUOTE]
Of course he's gonna get asked about Queen and vice versa in interviews, that's a given, it would be ridiculous at this point if he weren't asked about the two separate projects.
If you can't see the difference between touring in alive band and recording music in a studio then I don't know what to tell you, there's a massive difference and I'm certain any actual musician would agree. He doesn't need to be paid more it's about artistic integrity and what you feel interested in doing and a New Wave covers album was definitely not what he wanted to do.
His target audience are fans of which you aren't one (by your own admission just now). There's plenty of bands and artists out there I'm not a fan of so I'm not their target audience and they aren't playing songs to please me they're playing to please their fans. I might think what they do is rubbish but their fans will love it so for me to say they shouldn't do a song because I think they do it bad would be utterly pointless, they should absolutely do any song they choose if their fans love it, I'm completely irrelevant to the equation.
RCA & Warner were calling the shots to some extent, he dug his heels in on some points but at the end of the day when you have a label investing money you can't just dictate everything.
Why wouldn't he be able to do whatever he wants now when he has no actual label investing money, he's recently changed management so he likely has even more say in what he does when since it's Shosh's company (who's also his publicist) and he has a distribution company but he decides how and when the music is released and in what format etc. He executive produced the album as well so yeah I'd say he has all the freedom he wants on this project.
How anyone can think he's putting QAL before his solo stuff at the moment is beyond me, he spent about 8 weeks of the entire year with QAL last year and the rest was all about his solo projects. He's worked out his schedule for the entire 2020, solo stuff between end of Feb and May then QAL until July then the rest of the year free for more solo stuff, out of last year and this that makes a whole lot more of his time solo related than QAL.
rockchic65 · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
Well, I didn't love the cover, so much for everyone right there ;-).
Oh dear. I know Queen did covers, I was talking about AL, not Queen. Why turn it around? Careful mentioning Queen in here, snifflese doesn't like that at all. [/QUOTE]
So you think it's ok to go on and on about Adam doing covers but when someone points out other artists also do covers including Queen that's not ok? Not turning anything around just pointing out the ludicrousness of your argument, you can't have it both ways, you can't berate Adam for doing what tons of other artists do and not expect an example of the double standard you're applying.
As I pointed out you didn't love the cover but then you aren't a fan of his, plenty people did love it and he sang it for them.
Iron Butterfly · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]rockchic65 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
Well, I didn't love the cover, so much for everyone right there ;-).
Oh dear. I know Queen did covers, I was talking about AL, not Queen. Why turn it around? Careful mentioning Queen in here, snifflese doesn't like that at all. [/QUOTE]
So you think it's ok to go on and on about Adam doing covers but when someone points out other artists also do covers including Queen that's not ok? Not turning anything around just pointing out the ludicrousness of your argument, you can't have it both ways, you can't berate Adam for doing what tons of other artists do and not expect an example of the double standard you're applying.
As I pointed out you didn't love the cover but then you aren't a fan of his, plenty people did love it and he sang it for them.
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Oh dear again. You are using a Glambert tactic that twists things that I don't even post. AL has done many covers fact, and I'm aware Queen did covers as well. Better?
Funny thing, I think it was you who said in the last few days about comparing Freddie to AL, but you are comparing Queen and AL doing covers. First off, Queen never relied so heavily on covers, they did a song or two here and there. I can't think of one n Queen show that heavily relied on covers. Lambert relies on covers, heck he has been singing them with Brian and Roger for nearly a decade. Even with his solo shows he usually manages to fit a cover or two.
Another Glambert tactic to say I'm not a fan of AL's even though I have said very recently, in the last couple of days, even hours sgo that I really like Feel Something. I guess that doesn't make me a fan in your eyes. Alightyear then, sorry I don't fawn over the guy enough to be called a fan.
I wish you didn't resort to shitty Glambert tactics with me here. Very telling that you do so.
rockchic65 · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
Oh dear again. You are using a Glambert tactic that twists things that I don't even post. AL has done many covers fact, and I'm aware Queen did covers as well. Better?
Funny thing, I think it was you who said in the last few days about comparing Freddie to AL, but you are comparing Queen and AL doing covers. First off, Queen never relied so heavily on covers, they did a song or two here and there. I can't think of one n Queen show that heavily relied on covers. Lambert relies on covers, heck he has been singing them with Brian and Roger for nearly a decade. Even with his solo shows he usually manages to fit a cover or two.
Another Glambert tactic to say I'm not a fan of AL's even though I have said very recently, in the last couple of days, even hours sgo that I really like Feel Something. I guess that doesn't make me a fan in your eyes. Alightyear then, sorry I don't fawn over the guy enough to be called a fan.
I wish you didn't resort to shitty Glambert tactics with me here. Very telling that you do so. [/QUOTE]
I'm not twisting anything I'm sticking to facts and the facts are that plenty of artists including Queen do covers during live shows. In 1973 Queen did five covers during the show and one again as a reprise (Jailhouse Rock). I'm not comparing them doing covers I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of calling one artist for doing something and giving another a free pass to another for the exact same thing, that's nothing to do with comparing.
Adam is touring WITH QAL as their frontman, that's not doing covers the same way as an artist covering others in their own show, how on earth can you not make that distinction?
Liking the odd song of an artist is not being a fan per se, there's plenty one off songs by artists I like but would never class myself was a fan of them in general and by that I mean I don't follow their career, don't watch their vids on YT and don't go to see them live and don't invest any time or energy in knowing or caring what they're up to all the time. Adam has die hard fans who follow his career closely, who go to shows, who love most of what he does and they're the fans he's entertaining so if he does things other people don't care for it doesn't matter, they aren't the audience his shows and music is aimed at. No idea how that comment could be construed as a glambert tactic.
Iron Butterfly · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]rockchic65 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
Oh dear again. You are using a Glambert tactic that twists things that I don't even post. AL has done many covers fact, and I'm aware Queen did covers as well. Better?
Funny thing, I think it was you who said in the last few days about comparing Freddie to AL, but you are comparing Queen and AL doing covers. First off, Queen never relied so heavily on covers, they did a song or two here and there. I can't think of one n Queen show that heavily relied on covers. Lambert relies on covers, heck he has been singing them with Brian and Roger for nearly a decade. Even with his solo shows he usually manages to fit a cover or two.
Another Glambert tactic to say I'm not a fan of AL's even though I have said very recently, in the last couple of days, even hours sgo that I really like Feel Something. I guess that doesn't make me a fan in your eyes. Alightyear then, sorry I don't fawn over the guy enough to be called a fan.
I wish you didn't resort to shitty Glambert tactics with me here. Very telling that you do so. [/QUOTE]
I'm not twisting anything I'm sticking to facts and the facts are that plenty of artists including Queen do covers during live shows. In 1973 Queen did five covers during the show and one again as a reprise (Jailhouse Rock). I'm not comparing them doing covers I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of calling one artist for doing something and giving another a free pass to another for the exact same thing, that's nothing to do with comparing.
Adam is touring WITH QAL as their frontman, that's not doing covers the same way as an artist covering others in their own show, how on earth can you not make that distinction?
Liking the odd song of an artist is not being a fan per se, there's plenty one off songs by artists I like but would never class myself was a fan of them in general and by that I mean I don't follow their career, don't watch their vids on YT and don't go to see them live and don't invest any time or energy in knowing or caring what they're up to all the time. Adam has die hard fans who follow his career closely, who go to shows, who love most of what he does and they're the fans he's entertaining so if he does things other people don't care for it doesn't matter, they aren't the audience his shows and music is aimed at. No idea how that comment could be construed as a glambert tactic.
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You did twist things that wasn't even in my posts, it's there what we both said. I never even said it wasn't ok to point out that other artists, including Queen did covers as well. I'm well aware. One of my favorite bands recently did a Queen cover...one, not heavily relying on doing them.
I stand by that I think AL relies heavily on doing covers songs. I'm also osteoporosis certain need will include a cover or two in his upcoming solo shows. Maybe even a Queen one; -).
AL does sing covers with Brian and Roger.
Genuine question, what makes an AL fan in your opinion? I don't blindly support everything an artist does. Nor do I dig and share personal info about my favorite artists.
I'm not a glambert or even an AL fan compared to some people. I'm ok with that. I say what I don't like, and I say what I do like, goes for every artist. I think I would actually put AL in my top 150 artists of the last few years. There is much more music I like more than him, guess what, I'm ok with that too. That might not make a fan in your eyes so be it.
Glambert tactics, there are two people here who purposely twist things that I don't say in my posts, it must be a kick i guess. Glambert tactics are the ones who say I'm not an AL fan. They do that trying to make me look bad. I know we disagree rockchic, but at least discuss or debate what in actullay in my posts. It's a well worn tactic of the two Glamberts here to twist as much as possible about me, I almost am sure someone will come along to say I hate AL, I'm negative etc.
BTW, I went and looked. On youtube there is a documentary of sorts about AL's glamnation tour, there's a catch, it has to be paid to be able to see it. I've not watched it, so I can't tell you what is in it. There is also a playlist of the Glamnation tour from Indianapolis from 2010, it's in parts however.
Saint Jiub · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]SweetCaroline wrote:[/b]
Icy have you ever been to a LIVE show for anyone? It is a whole different experience than watching on TV or DVD or YouTube.
I repeat Adam’s glamnation shows were mesmerizing. And the audience went bonkers for him at the American Idol summer tour I went to in 2009 when he performed a Bowie medley, Starlight and Whole Lotta Love.
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fuck off bitch
Vocal harmony · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]
Fred didn't have to be perfect every night. He was a rock singer in a rock band. His job was to put on a show, make good music, energise the crowd etc. It wasn't his job to win a singing contest every night so that people 30 years later could point out every wrong note. I doubt anyone else will ever match what Fred achieved in his life. [/QUOTE]
Absolutely agree, my three favourite front men from back then were Freddie, Steve Perry and David Lee Roth.
Roth had an amazing hold over an audience, both with Van Halen and the tours around his first two solo albums, but he was probably the worst singer fronting an arena band ever. Did that matter? Not if you were a fan and went to and enjoyed the shows.
Steve Perry was amazing because of his voice, he was able to perform at a level most could only look too.
And Freddie who was amazing at while playing on big stages to huge audience could some how bring the whole venue close to him, how did he do that? No idea. It was the opposite of Roth or mayb Paul Stanley who created a huge party atmosphere and made them selves the centre of it.
Freddie had an incredible voice but wan always able to deliver his full range but always delivered a full performance.
As I said I agree with what you say, however someone keeps comparing two singers and when that comparison becomes about actual singing then becomes more than just how they perform a show.
