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[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
I do t think many people knew of him before Q+AL started.
Yes, he is known own more for singing Queen songs than his solo music, that's pretty obvious.
He sings with Brian and Roger, not with Queen, big difference. [/QUOTE]
People knew of him before QAL, he was touring the world solo and even won favourite international artist of the year in China, his albums charted at No 3, 1 and 3 and was invited to various events to speak or perform relating to LGBT issues.
Just because he sings with Brian & Roger (and they are still part of Queen hence it's called Queen +) doesn't mean he's more known for singing Queen songs, plenty fans are more interested in his solo work and solo tours than the Queen stuff and he's known for both and lots of other stuff as well. [/QUOTE]
His Glamberts knew, it was hardly groundbreaking solo tours that he did solo wise. The Queen legacy is what pretty much got his name out there. Otherwise he'd be known as the runner up for America Idol, and a career that very likely would not have lasted this long, if not for the Queen connections. See what I'm getting at.
[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
His Glamberts knew, it was hardly groundbreaking solo tours that he did solo wise. The Queen legacy is what pretty much got his name out there. Otherwise he'd be known as the runner up for America Idol, and a career that very likely would not have lasted this long, if not for the Queen connections. See what I'm getting at.[/QUOTE]
So doing 110 shows all over the world on his first solo tour was nothing? Do you know how many artists from those shows actually get to tour internationally? Not many is the answer. He's always been known as the runner up on AI but that doesn't mean his career wouldn't have lasted, he was offered lots of opportunites early on and that likely would have continued if he'd not been tied up touring a lot of the time. The Queen connection isn't what gets him unrelated gigs, the majority of the stuff he's done has had nothing to do with Queen so you've no way to know if he'd have been asked to do those things without ever having worked with them. The fact is no one knows or could know because he did work with Queen so it's all speculation whichever way you look at it and pointless speculation in reality.
[QUOTE] [b]rockchic65 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
His Glamberts knew, it was hardly groundbreaking solo tours that he did solo wise. The Queen legacy is what pretty much got his name out there. Otherwise he'd be known as the runner up for America Idol, and a career that very likely would not have lasted this long, if not for the Queen connections. See what I'm getting at.[/QUOTE]
So doing 110 shows all over the world on his first solo tour was nothing? Do you know how many artists from those shows actually get to tour internationally? Not many is the answer. He's always been known as the runner up on AI but that doesn't mean his career wouldn't have lasted, he was offered lots of opportunites early on and that likely would have continued if he'd not been tied up touring a lot of the time. The Queen connection isn't what gets him unrelated gigs, the majority of the stuff he's done has had nothing to do with Queen so you've no way to know if he'd have been asked to do those things without ever having worked with them. The fact is no one knows or could know because he did work with Queen so it's all speculation whichever way you look at it and pointless speculation in reality. [/QUOTE]
Please don't resort to twisting things I've not even posted.
I said it wasn't groundbreaking, not that it wasn't " nothing".
AL owes a heck of alot because of the Queen connections, fact. Where would he be without it, I'd assume he'd be lesser known. Since Q+AL started he hasn't managed to satay with the same record company. I think it's funny he didn't want to do an album of cover songs but he's been touring with Brian and Roger singing Queen songs for years now. It's a bit ironic.
[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]rockchic65 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
His Glamberts knew, it was hardly groundbreaking solo tours that he did solo wise. The Queen legacy is what pretty much got his name out there. Otherwise he'd be known as the runner up for America Idol, and a career that very likely would not have lasted this long, if not for the Queen connections. See what I'm getting at.[/QUOTE]
So doing 110 shows all over the world on his first solo tour was nothing? Do you know how many artists from those shows actually get to tour internationally? Not many is the answer. He's always been known as the runner up on AI but that doesn't mean his career wouldn't have lasted, he was offered lots of opportunites early on and that likely would have continued if he'd not been tied up touring a lot of the time. The Queen connection isn't what gets him unrelated gigs, the majority of the stuff he's done has had nothing to do with Queen so you've no way to know if he'd have been asked to do those things without ever having worked with them. The fact is no one knows or could know because he did work with Queen so it's all speculation whichever way you look at it and pointless speculation in reality. [/QUOTE]
Please don't resort to twisting things I've not even posted.
I said it wasn't groundbreaking, not that it wasn't " nothing".
AL owes a heck of alot because of the Queen connections, fact. Where would he be without it, I'd assume he'd be lesser known. Since Q+AL started he hasn't managed to satay with the same record company. I think it's funny he didn't want to do an album of cover songs but he's been touring with Brian and Roger singing Queen songs for years now. It's a bit ironic.[/QUOTE]
What's groundbreaking meant to mean then? You implied his tours weren't groundbreaking, don't really know how a tour could be, all artists tour it's commonplace and he toured solo for six months doing 110 shows coming off Idol so he was doing well considering what a lot of artists from those shows end up doing.
He was already known, has he been exposed to more people yes and some have become fans but then he's won fans who've seen him on TV show etc which have nothing to do with Queen so it's not all down to that.
Touring live with a band is very different from doing a covers album, he likes touring with Brian & Roger and singing Queen music but when he's doing his solo stuff he wants it to be original, why would he want to tour covering music and then record an album of covers as well? Nothing ironic about it they're completely different things. And why would he not change labels when they made it clear it was a cover album or nothing? Doesn't matter now anyway, he's gone indie and is free to do whatever he wants and that suits him far better than having to dance to the labels tune.
I don’t know if that 110 show international tour was groundbreaking but after the rough start he got at the AMA show, it was a good way to start over. His glam nation shows were mesmerizing and I saw 3 of them in Ohio and Pennsylvania.
[QUOTE] [b]SweetCaroline wrote:[/b]
I don’t know if that 110 show international tour was groundbreaking but after the rough start he got at the AMA show, it was a good way to start over. His glam nation shows were mesmerizing and I saw 3 of them in Ohio and Pennsylvania.
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You idolize him too much, like a Trump Worshipper worships Trump.
[QUOTE] [b]MisterCosmicc wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]SweetCaroline wrote:[/b]
I don’t know if that 110 show international tour was groundbreaking but after the rough start he got at the AMA show, it was a good way to start over. His glam nation shows were mesmerizing and I saw 3 of them in Ohio and Pennsylvania.
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You idolize him too much, like a Trump Worshipper worships Trump.[/QUOTE]
Or a Trump hater who hates Trump.
[QUOTE] [b]rockchic65 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]rockchic65 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
His Glamberts knew, it was hardly groundbreaking solo tours that he did solo wise. The Queen legacy is what pretty much got his name out there. Otherwise he'd be known as the runner up for America Idol, and a career that very likely would not have lasted this long, if not for the Queen connections. See what I'm getting at.[/QUOTE]
So doing 110 shows all over the world on his first solo tour was nothing? Do you know how many artists from those shows actually get to tour internationally? Not many is the answer. He's always been known as the runner up on AI but that doesn't mean his career wouldn't have lasted, he was offered lots of opportunites early on and that likely would have continued if he'd not been tied up touring a lot of the time. The Queen connection isn't what gets him unrelated gigs, the majority of the stuff he's done has had nothing to do with Queen so you've no way to know if he'd have been asked to do those things without ever having worked with them. The fact is no one knows or could know because he did work with Queen so it's all speculation whichever way you look at it and pointless speculation in reality. [/QUOTE]
Please don't resort to twisting things I've not even posted.
I said it wasn't groundbreaking, not that it wasn't " nothing".
AL owes a heck of alot because of the Queen connections, fact. Where would he be without it, I'd assume he'd be lesser known. Since Q+AL started he hasn't managed to satay with the same record company. I think it's funny he didn't want to do an album of cover songs but he's been touring with Brian and Roger singing Queen songs for years now. It's a bit ironic.[/QUOTE]
What's groundbreaking meant to mean then? You implied his tours weren't groundbreaking, don't really know how a tour could be, all artists tour it's commonplace and he toured solo for six months doing 110 shows coming off Idol so he was doing well considering what a lot of artists from those shows end up doing.
He was already known, has he been exposed to more people yes and some have become fans but then he's won fans who've seen him on TV show etc which have nothing to do with Queen so it's not all down to that.
Touring live with a band is very different from doing a covers album, he likes touring with Brian & Roger and singing Queen music but when he's doing his solo stuff he wants it to be original, why would he want to tour covering music and then record an album of covers as well? Nothing ironic about it they're completely different things. And why would he not change labels when they made it clear it was a cover album or nothing? Doesn't matter now anyway, he's gone indie and is free to do whatever he wants and that suits him far better than having to dance to the labels tune.
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Sorry, missed your post earlier.
Since you ask, groundbreaking , means innovative, sorry his solo shows and tours were hardly that, not even close really. I can't name one Glamnation show that stood out.
Yea, he was known in some circles before Q+AL as three things.The guy who was a runner up on Idol, the guy who kissed his same sex band mates on an awards show, and his Rolling Stone cover. I wouldn't call myself a Glambert, but I watched his season of Idol.
I do find detailed it ironic as heck it's said that he didn't want to do an album of 80's covers, but has toured with Brian and Roger for the better part of a decade now.
I don't think AL is as "free" as you might think or hope. Like I've said before, the lines are blurred between his solove music and Q+AL. I think he is a very odd place these last two or three years.
[QUOTE] [b]SweetCaroline wrote:[/b]
I don’t know if that 110 show international tour was groundbreaking but after the rough start he got at the AMA show, it was a good way to start over. His glam nation shows were mesmerizing and I saw 3 of them in Ohio and Pennsylvania.
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No, they weren't groundbreaking at all. I used to be a 90s dance music fan, I had lots of those type of concerts on VHS ( aww, good times LOL ) and AL's early shows reminded me of those. Even some of his shows during TOH reminded me of it.
There is not an AL solo tour I'd call groundbreaking. And yes I'm judging that by what I've seen on YouTube.
Icy have you ever been to a LIVE show for anyone? It is a whole different experience than watching on TV or DVD or YouTube.
I repeat Adam’s glamnation shows were mesmerizing. And the audience went bonkers for him at the American Idol summer tour I went to in 2009 when he performed a Bowie medley, Starlight and Whole Lotta Love.
[QUOTE] [b]SweetCaroline wrote:[/b] I went to in 2009 when he performed a Bowie medley, Starlight and Whole Lotta Love.
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So even in 2009 he was known for being a cover crooner. And WLL sounds even worse than those Queensongs this tool butchered. 11 years later his solo career has tanked he releases shitty dance pop that does not sell and is doing Queen covers
Here you go, a “groundbreaking” video of the last American Idol Season 8 summer tour show (#50) in 2009 — never saw this before:
http://youtu.be/Fi9V5DmH9IQ
[QUOTE] [b]SweetCaroline wrote:[/b]
Icy have you ever been to a LIVE show for anyone? It is a whole different experience than watching on TV or DVD or YouTube.
I repeat Adam’s glamnation shows were mesmerizing. And the audience went bonkers for him at the American Idol summer tour I went to in 2009 when he performed a Bowie medley, Starlight and Whole Lotta Love.
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Yes, Gordon Bamford a few years back when he played locally.
Why do you bother posting streams, videos so much since you don't think people who dont, or can't attend that their views don't matter?
I'm not sure you say his shows were mesmerizing, I used to watch every clip of his shows that you used to post. Seriously, it looked low budget and not anything I'd call mesmerizing.
AL sang covers then, as he does now. Shocker. He depends on covers way too much.
[QUOTE] [b]SweetCaroline wrote:[/b]
Here you go, a “groundbreaking” video of the last American Idol Season 8 summer tour show (#50) in 2009 — never saw this before:
http://youtu.be/Fi9V5DmH9IQ
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I'm sure you posted that before on QOL, you have often posted videos by that person. Anyways, how could that ever be called groundbreaking how exactly?? Looks like the earth was shaking...and not in a good way considering the camera shaking so much. Sorry, SweetCaroline, this isn't groundbreaking, surely you are taking the piss right now. If you aren't, then explain why that video is groundbreaking. It's basically shit, all of it.
[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
Sorry, missed your post earlier.
Since you ask, groundbreaking , means innovative, sorry his solo shows and tours were hardly that, not even close really. I can't name one Glamnation show that stood out.
Yea, he was known in some circles before Q+AL as three things.The guy who was a runner up on Idol, the guy who kissed his same sex band mates on an awards show, and his Rolling Stone cover. I wouldn't call myself a Glambert, but I watched his season of Idol.
I do find detailed it ironic as heck it's said that he didn't want to do an album of 80's covers, but has toured with Brian and Roger for the better part of a decade now.
I don't think AL is as "free" as you might think or hope. Like I've said before, the lines are blurred between his solove music and Q+AL. I think he is a very odd place these last two or three years. [/QUOTE]
The lines aren't blurred at all, he tours with B & R in short stints as a guest frontman and then goes back to his own life doing whatever he chooses be it recording music, doing tv appearances and anything else that comes his way that he feels like doing, it's called having a career that's diverse, nothing odd about that.
I call not wanting to RECORD covers and touring with an actual legendary band singing their music but in his own way completely different things, getting on stage with a live band and an audience and interacting in that way with amazing music to sing is fun and enjoyable. Standing in a recording booth singing a bunch of cover songs you have no connection to with no band and audience to bounce off and interact and have fun with sounds boring and not what someone who likes to be creative would find remotely fun. He gets to have the joy of touring with B & R for six weeks at a time and the creative satisfaction of creating and recording his own music (doesn't matter what you or anyone else thinks of his music) he's just happy doing it and then all the other stuff he does in between.
As to his glamnation tour there might not be anything that stands out to you but then you aren't the target audience, you arent a glambert and haven't seen him live so no idea how you would even know how good he was or what would be a stand out show. Did you watch a complete video of every single glamnation show to come to that conclusion? I know his fans record stuff but I doubt there's many if any full show videos out there of his glamnation tour, in fact I just had a look and all I could find is individual songs recorded so if you know where I can find the full show recordings I'd appreciate a heads up, I'd like to see some since I've never watched much of the glam nation stuff.
As to being free, he wasn't in the past with the labels trying to make him something he's not but he's definitely free to do whatever he wants now.
